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thanks to whoever made this thread

is the AA2 mini repack the actual game?

also, it gives me a "too many people have tried to download this file recently..." thing when I try to download it. Is it uploaded elsewhere?

>>1600
That is strange, as I'm downloading it as I'm typing this.
If you have a way of refreshing your IP, that might help?

>>1600
Since my AA2Mini is still in my old laptop and nto my new computer I can't verify the size, but mini managed to reduce the base game size from 20 gigs to around 2.  Pretty sure AA2Mini with all the mods and textures you need gives you around 30-40 gigs.  Also depending on if you have a google account or not, they won't let you download some files for whatever reason, I can confirm that I can download it with a google account but not without one.

>>1600
>is the AA2 mini repack the actual game?
Yes, it's a fully functioning vanilla (in the sense of not including extra clothes/hair/etc., it does have the AAU stuff, class editor, etc. bundled with it) copy of the game. 

You still need to follow the guide and install the recommended mods for extra clothes, de-censoring, 3D rooms, and so on.

>>1607
I understand the size reduction is to do with how game assets are packed a lot more efficiently through texture hardlinking, deduplication, and so on.

this may be because I'm an idiot, but all the characters just display as massive black shapes. anyone know what the problem might be?

>>1651

i managed to fix this, but now all the characters faces seem to be appearing inside out.

>>1652
enjoy your new eldritch horror GF

Or, set all graphics as low as they go and see if that fixes it, then work your way up to the highest supported configuration without it recurring. Also if you're on win10 try the win10fix and set it to dgvoodoo2.

Does it say anything on the AAU console tab?

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What does this error mean?

>>3373
It crashed. There's some basic info about it in error code and address location, but it's asking you if you want to dump the memory so someone with understanding of debugging can help you. If a search for AA2 and the error code gives you nothing, you are probably out of your luck.

>>3373
0xC00000005 for any program usually means you're missing a file or your file is missing something that is being referenced in game. check if you are missing any mods

I would just like to know how exactly you install and use those custom clothes and appearance mods. I can't seem to get a straight answer anywhere.

>>3521
Sounds like an issue on your end, considering the guide provides this information if you actually fucking read it

>>3528
Except I already did that, smartass.

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Dead game

>>6442
feels bad man.
i'm going to visit my old classmates now, don't tell me they're not real.

>>6442
Too bad. I had a lot of fun with it years ago.

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>>6464
Have fun, mate

>>6516
How many years was years ago, anon? Did you get to experience the expanded fun with AAUnlimited?

>>3521
Very late but useful information: .pp files go in the data folder

I have an odd issue with my modded game. It might not be a big deal depending if it's actually effecting gameplay but I'm not sure. It happens in any of my saves, even with a completely fresh brand new file, no matter what screen I'm on the romance music will play. I know this music usually activates when an NPC wants to lewd PC but as I said this happens at the very start of the game even if my PC is alone on screen. 

I thought maybe it was related to a rainbow card but I made sure no one has rainbow and also made sure no ones stats are crazy high. I think maybe one of the mods is causing this but I'm not sure. Anyone else know of this issue and/or how to fix it?

I'm also having a problem with certain hentai actions during a sex scene. For a quick background I have futa mods enabled. So lets say for an example my character is a Futa and they get into a sex scene with another Futa. Any sex positions can be swapped, like pc can be the one getting fucked or the npc can be, this works fine with all options except for blowjobs. For some reason with blowjobs the button or option isn't available unless it's exclusively a scene that triggers an orgasm. So there are no options for just regular blowjobs that don't lead to orgasms. What could possibly be locking this option out?

>>6442
This is still the best game available right now for what it does. All the newer games have far less options and dumbed down mechanics and the modding community isn't even close to as good, never mind translations. If these models were updated to say honey select levels then this would be the superior game in every single way.

>>6837
unstable game though

>>6835
Are you sure it isn't the lewd mood track that is playing? It could be that you have enabled the "" option.

>>6836
You are using a short futa and some animations are missing for those. There is no fix other than making them non-short.

>>6835
<am idiot
Are you sure it isn't the lewd mood track that is playing? It could be that you have enabled the "Everyone in H mood" option.

>>6839
we're working on that too anon, you'll see! you'll all see!

Is there anyway to extract a custom module from a card? Only two ways I know how to go about it is importing AAU data via QtEdit or attempting to recreate the module under AAU's Triggers tab in the editor. Is there a faster and more reliable method?

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Could someone spoonfeed me with either Fusionware or Breed my Loves?
Every mention of it in the whole internet with a link seems to be expired, it seems.

Do people even still make mods for this old ass game?

>>14858
people still make mods for skyrim and that's 3 years older than this.

>>14865
Skyrim has also been rereleased for 2 different console generations, then resold with some minor improvements as a completely new game, it wouldn't surprise me if Skyrim releases again on the new console generation as Ultra Legendary edition.  Artificial Academy 2 isn't even listed on sale on Illusion's website(Most games before 2016 aren't either) so it is a valid question.  

>>14858
To my knowledge, yes people still make mods for this game.  I haven't touched it in about 2 years but just before I stopped playing some made a mod adding in 200+ more sex positions, I'm sure most of the new mods aren't that crazy though.  From what I remember it was the westerners keeping the game alive, the Japanese abandoned the game for the most part when Koikatsu came out.

>>14868
Got a name for that sex positions mod anon?

>>14922
JMCP unsure if there is a more up to date version, this was the one I found on /aa2g/.  https://mega.nz/folder/FRxQAQYZ#bZpX1ypNZW_Kii61GA-_Xg

>>14928
Thanks! I'll try it out once I unfuck my install

>>14934
Unfuck your install? are you not running the mini, or did you somehow fuck up the mini?  That mod won't work without AAU, all modern mods won't work without AAU, and AAU doesn't work on old install anymore, only on the Mini repack.

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>>14928
>get that put in
>suddenly the potential positions covers the screen
man I've been missing out

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aa3 when

>>16032
Never ever.

>>16032
i'm more worried that they'll fuck it up
you know how it is
i'd rather not have a sequel than see it get butchered into some scene player

>>16032
I still dream of a game that mixes the school of AA and home life AG together.
maybe sprinkle in some AI-S for full town exploration.

>>16263
God I wish I could actually play AG3 again, but 90% of the mods for the game are gone forever.  Still probably my favorite Illusion game, despite how much more time I've spent playing AA2.  Now that I got a halfway decent pc and not my middling laptop from 2012, I should really try a teatime game, be nice to see my fps go from 15 to 20.

>>6842
I know it's been a long ass time but I decided to check this thread and I'm shocked someone actually knew what was causing my issue.
>You are using a short futa and some animations are missing for those. There is no fix other than making them non-short.
Thanks, I'll try making regular size, I never would have guessed that this was the problem.

One last question, you can tinker NPC's stats and what they are attracted to, aka straight, gay, bi. What gender is a futa actually considered? So if PC is Futa and NPC is futa, would they still considered them both female so set them to gay for them to be attracted? Or are they considered male because dong?

I also have this odd problem where the lewd audio is always playing in the background of my game, even if I start a brand new file, not sure what's causing that.

>>16273
>actually playing illusion games and not just using them for a quick fap
holy shit do people actually do this? I'm pretty sure the last illusion game I played with for more than 30 min at a time was rapelay.

>>17867
It's just a girl with a penis.

>>17869
I don't play this game as much as i used to but by now I've probably spent more time in AA2 than i did in actual high school.
of course classes change from time to time, but there are a couple of girls that i have since the beginning and they will never be replaced.
and now that I've talked about it, I'm gonna play it again.

>>17869
Not everyone has an attention span of a butterfly.

Where the actual fuck can I get artificial girl 3

>>14935
I wasn't using the Mini back then, but I worked around the game breaking issue with the Win10 update; which broke 3D rooms and made it unstable

>>16273
>90% of the mods for the game are gone forever
Rest in fucking peace Hongfire. I long for nothing more than a game that can reclaim the magic of AG3. Lately I've been feeling like h-games as a medium will never recover from Illusions shift away from AG3's gameplay. Even AA2, as good as it is, especially compared to modern h-games, is, at the end of the day, a scene viewer. Oh how the might have fallen.

is this game worth playing?
my previous 2 computers couldn't run it for some reason, i had this weird bug on both of them where all the characters were invisible during the actual game, and i don't think i ever found a fix. it was related to my graphics card type
i finally have an actual graphics card and was thinking of trying this out again, but it's very dead since the peak of this game was like 8 years ago
you think it's worth it, or it was only good because of the time in which it came out?

>>22929
playing it already, it's pretty decent. but i'm still interested in hearing your thoughts of how it holds up to your nostalgia

>>22933
Wow.... all i can say is that i didn't lose anything at all from not playing it
Only way i can see someone liking this game is if they're a massive waifufag

>>22957
AA2 was one of Illusion's last "games", with almost every single release since further removing gameplay features for a scene viewer.  Even now there is no game quite like it, it's a game where sometimes it's more fun to do nothing and watch the chaos unfold.  Unlike Koikatsu, one of Illusion's most recent releases, npcs will interact with each other without your input which increases it's replayability.  But really it's still a scene viewer with minimal interaction, you can create all the scenarios in the world but at the end of day it won't hold you for long.  The main reason why people still play this game is for it's creator, as Koikatsu looks too anime and Honey Select looks uhh...special.  But it is still impressive that people are still making new content for this game, honey select died the moment it's sequel came out, and AG3 held out until Hongfire finally died, but neither of those games got their entire engine remade by autists.

I got fond memories of the game, it was my first Japanese 3D porn game.(I did play Artificial Academy for a solid minute before noping out, for obvious reasons.  The game hits that high uncanny valley effect and makes it impossible for a normal person to fap to.)   And when I found out that AA2U exists I played it for a good 2 years before I finally lost all interest, at this point I don't think I'll ever get into 3D porn games, even though I still long for Artificial Girl 3.  But hey, I got 200 gigs of CM3D2 sitting on my computer and I've only wasted like 200 hours on it, so maybe I'm just talking shit.

>>22958
Funny how 3d porn never really drew me in, mainly because of how the context is what makes hentai so good, and how these games really suck at creating a good context

Is the torrent for the Mini dead?

I'm just glad the avatar fagging is over

>>22958
speaking of, how would you rate koikatsu? i remember back on 8hgg it being pretty popular but this game still having an audience because of its roleplaying.
>>22979
yah, games like AGH feel like its jiust grinding through scenes

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>>25598
oh wow it's been a year since I made that post, uh it's shit.  Basically it's a glorified scene viewer, the characters have no agency unless you, YES YOU talk to them, and maybe they'll then ask to do something with you.  You spend most of your time grinding up stats to slightly make wooing the girl you like, but really once the girl enters your harem she'll stay there for life.  You can't fuck boys(Without mods) and you don't have to worry about males cucking you.(Without your consent anyway, Janny wants to join you if you let him.)  The object of the game is to just build a harem, and there are barely any threesome animations to begin with!  Although girls can lezz out(with a trait) that's the extent of their relationships with other characters that isn't YOU.  Basically I played it for a few months, collected cards like a madman, then deleted the game.  Also most of the personalities are voiced by the same 6 people, so it loses out in variety.  You will have more enjoyment for using the game as a quick wank, because that's all it really is, girls look cute though.  And before you ask, no I don't have these characters, nobody does.

in the mod mega theres a folder with alternative mods, but the guide doesnt mention what the mods in there do. Is it ok to just drag and drop them in like normal or are there mods in there that are incompatible with mods in the main mod folder?

also in the resources section are things like the hardlinker necessary or is it just for autism modelling

i'm pretty sure it says what the mods are somewhere, on a guide or something

>>25616
yah im reading through the readmes, im understanding it now

>>22958
Good post. It also really makes me want this game to evolve and grow - new areas, new features and so on. It's such a shame that my favorite games (not just /hgg) constantly only have a portion of what my 'dream game' would be, but instead they are like fragmented puzzle pieces that don't fit with eachother without impossible amounts of effort, coordination, cooperation and money.

>>25607
>Can't fuck boys without mods
Isn't that the case with AA2 as well through?

>>25859
Never actually did gay actions, but you can make a homosexual boy normally, although it probably just fades to black like how they natively handle 3somes.

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After all these years of seeing the "Illusion Cycle" meme, I'm not sure if I've been gaslit into thinking my enjoyment of AG3 and AA2 are just nostalgia.

>>25862
>natively
Tell me more.

>>26028
The only way to do threesomes in AA2 were to find too girls lezzing out, and if they like you enough you can join in.  But it's just a fag to black you fucked them, not sure if the mod ever fixed that.

>>26014
If it makes you feel any better the only game by Illusion I could spend hours autistically with is Rapelay due to the level of interactivity it has. Pretty much the only 3d games that come close are VR compatible games even now a days.

>>26014
I don't think it's nostalgia, at least not in AA2's case.  The relationship chaos simulation aspect of the game caused me to have some runs that played out like a slice of life, high school, romance anime.  The non-scripted possibilities with all those NPC interactions in both AA games created a level of replayability that Illusion never even tried to do again.  I probably played AA2 more than I played both Honey Selects, Koikatsu, and Playhome combined.
As for AG3, that probably is nostalgia.  The controls being a complete and utter clusterfuck destroyed what could have been a half way decent fapping game.  I dropped the game after finding out that the mouse controls weren't even registering when I attempted the ritual to the Old Ones that supposedly allowed for positions other than missionary.  It was disappointing since AG3 is the only porn game I know of where the girl gets increasingly sweaty during sex.

Not to be a newfag but I can barely find any guides online about the actual gameplay. Why are certain actions/poses greyed out when my character's having sex? For context, it's two chicks going at it.

>>28111
You need higher H compatibility.
https://wiki.anime-sharing.com/hgames/index.php?title=Artificial_Academy_2/H_Guide#H_compatibility

>>28115
Forgot to reply but it fixed itself when I installed JMCP instead of regular MCP. Either that, or the H compatibility did actually go up. Thanks either way.

Okay so I'm a dumbass. Followed guide, got the miniPPX thing, added recommended PPX module things. So far so good. Then downloaded a bunch of cards from bepis, and ingame they all have default outfits and sweet personality instead of what bepis says and the card shows. Now I'm confuse. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Disregard previous. I'm a dumbass and was missing packages I obviously needed.

I followed the entire troubleshooting list regarding the issue and it still crashes on startup, is there anything else I can try outside of getting windows 7/8?

>>30030
Get AA2 Unlimited and toggle on the windows 10 fix.

>>30037
still crashes

>>30038
fixed, I'm a retard and forgot to install direct9x

How exactly do you mod clothes into the game? (I did what was suggested for easier clothing modding by using the hardlinker but I got stuck and never ended up adding any additional clothing mods/textures into my game)
For that matter of fact, I'm having difficulty putting different clothes on my characters, too. What editors do you recommend? Seeing as the base game editor doesn't give you much clothing customisation, and it's not exactly user-friendly in that regard, either.

>>30486
Hardlinker isn't for adding new clothing mods, it's just for reducing texture bloat.   In the original game say you had two bras, Bra A and Bra B, if you wanted to use the same exact textures with each bra, you had to duplicate the other's folder with the exact same textures.  needless to say this crated many gigs of extra unnecessary space.  All clothes are mods, packs of them are usually .pp2 mods, otherwise some of them might require you to rebuild them to the .pp2 format.  If you don't know how to do, and can't read I can't help you.  Not sure about the editor, base game editor with AAU support should work just fine, and AAU comes with every AA2Mini release.  Anyway been out of the loop for years now so who knows maybe all my information is out of date, if you have any legit questions go the /AA2G/ in cuckchan /VG/'s section, they are somehow still active unlike here.

>>30488
I understand, thanks. I asked here because it's way slower than over there and I'm not in a hurry to find out. But now that you've cleared it up, it makes more sense.

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anybody like my waifu?

>smart
sorry, even fantasy has limts

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>>30908
I think your waifu is pretty cute! Image related is my waifu. what does /hgg/ think of her?

On the topic of waifus, what is the funniest thing you've had happen in Artificial Academy 2? For me it's when I made a game with myself and one of my friends in it and my friend got killed by his yandere gf after she caught him having sex with another girl. I actually was there when it happened and he got stabbed to death in front of the bathroom area. it was pretty funny and him and I still make jokes about to this day to him.

>cowtits
>sharing your wife's naked body with strangers
it's like you're the protag of a NTR male protag rpgmaker game

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>>38371
There's nothing wrong with posting your waifu like that and it isn't NTR. Also her lovely breasts are beautiful.

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>>38377
>nothing wrong

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>>38381
It's not that bad anon. Just because one fag decides to do something like that doesn't mean you shouldn't post your waifu like that. I believe the anons of /hgg/ are above that.

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>>38366
>>38377
>>38382
>making a waifu out of a random card you found online or posting your waifu on multiple boards, on multiple occasions.
actually worse than a cuck, you're waifuing the town bike.
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kinda disappointed how easy it was, I was about to autism your waifu into my game, inspired by >>38381

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>>38381
didn't even require autism 
>updated post, thought it was reserved at first because of the pose in editor, but remembered Irritated has the same pose when spoken to, just like in the screenshot.

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>>38386
>actually worse than a cuck, you're waifuing the town bike.
There is nothing wrong with waifuing the town bicycle. it just means she has more experience and therefore is cuter. I appreciate you hugging her and showing her affection. It looks like she enjoys it. She actually has quite nice cow tits and is good at paizuri

>>38366
>On the topic of waifus, what is the funniest thing you've had happen in Artificial Academy 2?
While not funny in and of itself, one of my runs ended up so much like a high school drama that I still laugh about it to this day.  It started when two bisexual girls in my harem ended up falling for each other, so in typical female fashion, they started spreading rumors about me.  One by one, the other girls in my harem broke up with me because of the rumors.  By the time I started to get bored with the run, I only had one girl left, the one who had been the first to get into a relationship with me.  I decided to end the run with maximum drama by pretending I committed suicide by jumping off the roof.  Just as I got to the fence and was about to press the escape key to end the game, that last girl ran up to me, hugged me, and told me she loved me.  I decided to pretend that she had convinced me not to jump, we made the most of our remaining time in high school despite her reputation being destroyed by association with me, went on to go to the same college together, and married shortly after graduating.  She was truly a waifu among waifus.

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>>38396
That's actually really cute that something like that happen in your game. I'm sorry those bisexual bitches ruined your harem. Someone needs to make a sharia law mod for AA2 to prevent things like that from happening.

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>>38396
Damn that beats my story.  I remember running an AI mod for the PC just to see what happens, so I'd get control of them for a session, and then the ai would FUCK everything I was trying on it's turn.  And I mean that in every way, I'm trying to woo a certain girl the AI will purposely ruin that relationship for me.  So I decided to concoct a masterplan, since the AI is preventing me from doing what I want, I'll prevent it from doing what it wants.  For whatever reason the AI wanted to date a specific girl, someone I didn't care for, so I raped her.  The AI actually broke after that, just standing in place and doing nothing.  I won that war, but I didn't feel good about it, so I wiped the memory of that ever happening, and the AI started taking my side.  AA2 was fucked.
>>38397
> Someone needs to make a sharia law mod for AA2 to prevent things like that from happening.
Yeah, that exists kinda.  If you're using the AA2Mini release, cards get a modded trait system called Modules that lets you do all kinds of neat stuff.  It's fairly versatile, and one of the basic modules in it lets you ensure that they lose the jealous stat effect entirely from being in a harem.  Outside of that you can make STDS(And the sexual kind) demonic powers, the ability to randomize their outfits allowing you to bypass the standard limit, and of course proper corruption.  With the corruption module set and a little know how, you can make it so that shy naive little girl you get there, now looks like the proper turbo slut you made her.  If you're still running regular old AA2 stop, get the Mini, do all the extra stuff and grab a few mods you want.  I mean my AA2Mini release with most of the mods installed only takes up 40 gigs, which is not even half as much as it would without the mini.  

Anyway while we're sharing, have one of my favorite cards back from when I played AA2, made by anon 77 who doesn't seem to make cards anymore, at least not for their mega.
https://mega.nz/folder/sCxk0ACR#z82811GcdEqIGjrTiYAalw/folder/NPB1XCyD
I don't recommend downloading the image in my post, as who knows what kind of fuckery will occur with a modded card.  Not to mention my card is out of date, so who knows whether the update was a slight tweak, or a fix of a mod conflict.  I haven't looked since I stopped playing early last year, but I have a LOT of cards you can't find anymore, some of which are actually pretty good, but their creator deleted them from existence for some reason. 
 Maybe I'll share some more later, I doubt I will though.  God, I can't believe I wasted 40 hours of my life getting karaoke tracks with the correct VAs in the game.

>download some random card pack
>find girl you like after randomizing class
>hdd dies
I haven't found that girl again, I did try to recreate her but it still feels off somehow.
does anyone know which card packs were commonly shared in '17-18?

>>38407
From what I saw from the waybackmachine, and my vague memory, Sosh was the most common cardpack of it's time.  As for downloading it now, I think it's impossible.  It looks like he abandoned the AA2 scene at some point and went onto KK, and then nuked his mega to only include 2 cards from KK.  Maybe there is a turbo autist lurking somewhere on the main thread on cuckchan, I doubt you'll find an answer here.  Otherwise if you want to keep trying here, give a name(if possible) basic details such as hair type(long short,etc) color, other prominent features, and I'll see what I can do, but don't except much from me.

for me it's downloading the game when it came out and finding out it doesn't work on my graphics card (every character was invisible ingame, everything else worked fine) and ony being able to play this in 2019 and then finding it a terrible game

>>38398
>Modules
Would say modules be described/linked in the pastebin link found within the OP? If so that pastebin is dead.

>>38425
I'm pretty sure AA2Mini has some basic Modules included in it's download, otherwise check her for how to install and use.  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17qb1X0oOdMKU4OIDp8AfFdLtl5y_4jeOOQfPQ2F-PKQ/edit#gid=98357724
And here for the download to the Modules itself.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/86wdxunajbjpi13/AAAR8ExVfV1Y3_rDm2gx0gPDa?dl=0
Like most things, the pastebin was nuked into existence and lost, but the resources there mainly existed to describe what certain modules did in greater detail, and a link to download a collection of modules.

>>38426
I see.
When it comes to using AA2Unlimited: Are all changes made instantaneous? The body slider clearly is but I have been unable to actually see any tans being applied which leads me to believe I messed something up.

>>38428
>When it comes to using AA2Unlimited: Are all changes made instantaneous?
Usually.
>The body slider clearly is but I have been unable to actually see any tans being applied which leads me to believe I messed something up.
Probably using an outdated copy of AAU, I know I certainly am, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17qb1X0oOdMKU4OIDp8AfFdLtl5y_4jeOOQfPQ2F-PKQ/edit#gid=822833046
The latest verison of AAU is 1.7.3, so follow the instructions and update if you're not on that latest one.
https://github.com/aa2g/AA2Unlimited/releases
Check cuckchan for more information, shit is actually kept up to date there.

>>38429
Alright, I got everything working but some cards are crashing the game. What are the must have mods? I downloaded the mini version and added the hard_linker and the pp2 but to no avail. I'm probably missing something simple.

>>38430
Well first off, if you have a verison pre 1.6 of AAU, you should redownload the mini apparently, following this guide would be smart if that's the case. https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vS8Ap6CrmSNXRsKG9jsIMqHYuHM3Cfs5qE5nX6iIgfzLlcWnmiwzmOrp27ytEMX03lFNRR7U5UXJalA/pub
I can't really help you with modern AAU though, I'm HEAVILY out of the scene, so my information might not be correct anymore when it comes to troubleshooting.  Some cards might just be flat out broken, or might require tweaking your AAU install to work properly.  I won't know more until I have access to the card in question.  But since I'm not using the latest version it might not work for me either...  Again go to cuckchan for more information, you'll get much better tech support there then from me.  But if you're still unwilling, give me the card and I'll see if I can figure out why it isn't working, preferably with the card's download link and not just the image itself.

>>38431
Yeah, it all worked out thanks to you, anon. I probably made a few mistakes but I guess the link in the OP for the mini is outdated. Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it.

>>38432
>Yeah, it all worked out thanks to you, anon
Glad it works.
>I probably made a few mistakes but I guess the link in the OP for the mini is outdated
Very much so, the OP was created before the PPEX format came out, and obviously before pastebin deleted non code related pastebins.

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Decided to try this out, but how do I into girls?

From what I gathered from the wiki, it's 
praise, 
daily life, 
praise, 
hobbies, 
praise, 
food, then 
daily life, 
hobbies, 
food, 
daily life, 
hobbies, 
food.

Do that until best friends or what?

>>59831
Summary: You can talk about each topic three times per period, then it won't work at all. Doing the same action multiple times in a row will lower success rate, so alternate.  Cycle through life/hobbies/food three times every period until she likes you enough to talk about lewd consistently, then do love/lewd until you're maxed out on the Jizou statue (Overflowing Love!) and make her your girlfriend. I highly recommend using the Jizou anywhere setting in AAU and referencing the wiki to see what each thoughts means, characters can have multiple thoughts per character so check repeatedly.

More detailed answer: Character opinions of each other are built on Like, Love, Dislike, and Hate. Most interactions give points towards one or more of these categories. Once a character gets 30 points in a category (1.5-5 conversations for example, depending on their quality), they create what you could call a "memory" of that category. A character can have 30 memories of another character, and after they fill that up, old ones are deleted for new ones. Functionally, this means that you'll need to cycle through 30 new memories to get one you don't like out of the queue. Like/Love can push each other out, which means making a girl love you can make her like you less, and vice versa. You should never do anything which has a chance of making her dislike/hate you because that memory will stick, and you should never do anything which makes her like you if you're looking for love (after she's willing to talk about love topics) since that'll stick too.
It gets more difficult to manage this with extremely stubborn characters with low success rate for all actions (characters can be straight or gay, but they can also lean hetero/homo which makes it very difficult to get points. The color of their card background corresponds to their sexuality, but most custom cards remove this so you might have to check in the editor). You can push your Like memories out trying to woo people and see your lewd success rate go down. Talking about love actually increases both Like/Love so that can be annoying if you just need high love. Lewd talk only raises Love. This is rarely relevant since most girls are fairly easy if you know the basics.
Mood can also be important for particularly antisocial or virtuous girls, since that acts as a success chance multiplier. You can determine character's mood by the music playing and their response. Cheering them up and such can improve moods. Lewd talk can give the lust mood which can be important for pushing girls over the edge, as once they accept you once they're more amicable to future lewd actions.

There's other stuff to think about like traits, lewd promises, managing multiple relationships, etc. It's a lot to explain and doesn't matter much in most situations, but just save often in case something goes wrong. 
If you want to make it easier then check the wiki and see which traits buff point gain with characters and give those to your MC, probably using AAQtEdit which functions as a save editor if you can figure it out.

>>59845
Thank you, that's very helpful.



Do you remember if grades matter at all?

Does Wisdom matter for anything besides grades, and Strength for anything besides grades, run speed, and fighting?

Does inviting a character that’s great at one of those stats increase stat gain more, or just someone who's better than you?

How do you raise popularity/sociability?

Is there any point of inviting anyone/someone to do stuff like eat, relax, etc. besides “RP” and mood change? 

And what are the effects of being in the same club?

>>59880
>grades
If I recall, the AI prioritizes characters with high grades (can't remember if different personalities had different preferences, though) so having high grades helps you be popular.

>Wisdom and Strength
They are multipliers for the gain of grades. The higher they are, the more you gain with each success.
You can have a low Wisdom character have an high grade, but it will take longer and he'll likely not be better than other high Wisdom characters.

>inviting a character
I'm assuming you mean inviting to study. The gains from these depend on the difference between their scores. The one with the lower score actually earns more than studying solo, the one with the higher score earns less than studying solo.
Invite strong characters to study\practice to improve faster.

>popularity/sociability
This will answer your second question as well, group activities do exactly that. Group activities also raise relationship with everyone involved a little bit.

>And what are the effects of being in the same club?
You can practice the specific room activities, you'll have a common place to find them, etc.

There's probably more, but you can always check the wiki for specifics.

>>59880
Basically every action you can do affects people's opinion of you, and nearly everything except talk makes them dislike or hate you if it fails (including praise). Talking also has the highest success rate in a vacuum so you should "optimally" never do anything else until that has at least 100%.
You don't need to play optimally at all though, just being nice to most people will make them like you.

>>59891
>>59913
Thanks, I think I've got it down now. 
Pretty comfy game. Wish Illusion would've stuck to this path.


Oh, and I downloaded a bunch of custom characters and the clothes didn't work, so I just set the clothes to default, but after 3 days or so a bunch of characters start to have different colors on their clothes.
Is this a bug, or do they customize their own clothes?
Don't know if I can be bothered to switch it back if it's gonna keep happening.

>>59958
For clothes you'll need to download the CCC mod, hardlinker, and textures in the (new) OP guide. It's a few gigs so it's up to you to decide if it's worth it.
As for the colors, I don't think characters will change their clothing styles normally. However, some custom AAU modules can cause girls to switch styles. Those are stored with the card, so random cards you download often have some.
You can check and modify those in AA2Edit, though if you change a card it won't affect existing saves unless you expel and retransfer the chara in. QtEdit lets you import partial data from a card if you need to edit characters on the fly.

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>>59965
aaaaaaaaahhhhhhh ffs why does this have to be so convoluted I just want to have some good looking waifus in my schoooooooooool

I guess they'll just run around in whatever colors they choose

thanks again anyways

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>transfer out a girl because I had to edit her
>a fucking voiceline plays
>"Goodbye... The days spent with you... I wont forget them!"

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>>60037
Kek. Shame that you can't edit them in game.

Also, can I get some help on how to get futas working properly? I'm feeling super dumb trying to change all the overrides. I'm editing the default girl on the futa starter pack by making her big and chubby but the moment I change height the dick is destroyed.

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>>60037
>>60626
you can edit girls pretty much real-time with the trainer, even during sex

>>60714
And how do I access that? Never seen that window before.

>>60805
by downloading a sketchy file from strangers on the internet.
https://anonfiles.com/73Z1Xfi5z8/AA2T_7z
password is 'niggerfaggot'

>>60819
Hey thanks, I've tried using ReiEdit but didn't like it, this one seems better.

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AA3 when?

>>60819
Says it's not tested for the current version (1.0.1.32), if I continue it just sits on the title screen saying waiting for class ready. Also, the edit screws up when changing male character heights and keeps genitals at the same height as default; is that just a visual bug that won't affect anything?

>>60921
>Says it's not tested for the current version (1.0.1.32)
keep the trainer in the same folder as the game and open the trainer after opening the game
>Also, the edit screws up when changing male character heights and keeps genitals at the same height as default;
changing height for men bugs the game because men don't get a "height" option, try changing type
the height option is for the girls, same as figure.
if the trainer doesn't launch at all, usually after a crash, just delete the 3 .bat files (config.bat, lastaction.bat and lastoutfit.bat)

did they ever add a yaoi mod that actually allows you to fuck the boys in the class? last time i played (years ago), the game just faded to black and skipped the whole sex scene when you tried to fuck another guy. has this ever been fixed by a mod? thanks.

>>61179
Yes?  I mean I've been told that it works but I have no reason to put any other guys(or any guys at all) in any of my classes.  Pretty sure it's a script thats enabled by default but if isn't then you just need to hit the settings button of the unlock script.  If what I said makes no sense then, redownload AA2 by reading OP, AA2 is no longer Illusion's game, it's basically been remade entirely.

>>61180
wonder how many NTR mods they have made already...
damn, ntr really is rent free in my head

>>61181
Mods? a few technically.  There are a few modules centered around the idea of cheating but the base game had ridiculous amount of cheating happening to begin with, even with the highest virtue characters you might just be a side fling(Although that's more of a bug with the AI then intended design.).  Modules are like modded traits, exclusive to modern AA2 they can do simple stuff such as make it so characters are monogamous, to introduce an infection type gamemode to fight against(or spread).  The tools to create modules are pretty robust, so if there isn't one premade for you for whatever you want specifically, if you have an afternoon to read you can easily crank it out yourself.  I might not spend a lot of time messing with this AI sandbox(AG3 is still my fallback when it comes to 3D Hgames personally) but it's fascinating to see how far evolved the community has turned this pretty barebones sandbox.

Anyway time for some fun, or at least fun for a strange individual such as myself; listing all modules related to cheating.  Chained Maiden(Not entirely NTR related, whoever takes their virginity gains perfect % chances when interacting with the character), Cheating, Compensated Dating, Corruption(Not entirely related to NTR either, adds unique triggers for pure/corrupted states depending on positive/negative actions taken, can be "reversed" technically.), Cuck(Funnily enough this only works when played by the player, this trait does nothing for AI.), Forgetful(Again not NTR related per say, but this does allow the AI to entirely forget they even have a lover), Gambler, Haunted(Not NTR related again, but this does cause whoever is haunted to have the lowest virtue so cheating is likely until unpossessed.), Seducer(Not NTR again, lowers virtue if any romantic actions succeed by whoever has this trait.), not as much as I thought honestly.  Funnily enough you can add the Monogamous and Polyarmous trait, which basically means the character will only get in 1 relationship, but doesn't get jealous if their lover dates anyone else.  So yes you can pretend you're playing Koikatsu if that pleases you.

RIP Illusion, this is why they should've gone with AA3 instead of trashes.

>>63503
https://archive.is/OJr4U
This is not a joke. Illusion is ceasing operations next month.

>>63504
Oh shit it's actually true, huh.  I mean sure they were basically shoveling out minor improvements for the last 10 years, but I thought they were doing well enough.  Well I guess that means the only worthwhile JP 3D game is CM3D2, it's been the better for a long time but it's also so bloated with pointless DLC that nobody sane would ever own it all.

>>63503
>>63504
RIP, no chance of Biko 4 now.

>>63503
>>63504
Holy shit, end of a fucking era. I really hated Room Girl, but I could swear it sold ok numbers so this is surprising.

How the fuck do you get the animations lined up? Penetration and blowjobs works fine, surprisingly, but handjobs will have her jacking off air.  Actually, most animations are fine except for ones concerning the cock but aren't centered at it.

Welp. Illusion's dead.

I have MiniPPX v3, should I update? Where's the changelog?

>>63686
About time...sad that we won't ever get AA# but at least we have a 10-14 gb AA2 now.

>>63551
I keep having animations break when selected; the characters either won't move from the previous one, or just T-pose inside each other. Sometimes they'll work if I swap who's pitching, but that's obviously not a desirable solution. Doing so did reveal an interesting bug, though: whenever a male is catching, his dick hovers in the middle of the scene, rather than being attached. Not a big issue, but I'm curious as to what causes it; I'd assume I don't have the right shadowset active, but I've no idea which ones do what, so I just turned on a random one and forgot about it.

>>63991
>>63686
>>63537
>>63535
>>63505
>>63504
They just rebranded as Projecti18.

I got a new com running Win10 and tried putting my copy of this on it, but it's doing that thing where it instantly crashes on startup, even after running through all of the compatibility modes and win10fix scripts listed in the install guide. Any way to fix or am I just fucked once again by my modern software?

>>67530
I guess it's worth a try to restrict it to a single processor core. Other than that, no idea. Maybe try to find out first if it's a software or a hardware issue. Old games can be run on a virtual machine with some older Windows if everything else fails. This way I can still play Earthsiege 2, a decades old game, on a relatively recent PC.

>>67531
Well, the restrict processor method didn't work, and modern computers are so cataclysmically fucked that I can't get a VM to so much as access a USB even after hours of troubleshooting, so guess I'm shit outta luck.

Possible AA3.

https://x.com/Projecti18/status/1798897807564423213?failedScript=polyfills

Picture

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>>68792
inb4 コイカ２
KoikatTSU in japanglish. in case the pun wasn't obvious.

Unblurred video shown.
NPC males exist + Jizou statue is back.

https://x.com/Projecti18/status/1800709971556078028?failedScript=polyfills

>>68876
Well, it certainly looks interesting. Still, I'm running through the list of ways it could go wrong in my head and it's a long one.

>>68876
Why are the animations at like 10 fps?

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>>68900
AA3!
Map looks bigger. In addition to the school front, there's a shopping area and a beach area. The beach area connects to the shrine area where the Jizou statue is. Will have to wait for a translatorfag to translate what those slides mean.
Did a quick image translate, and the last date is referring to a preorder start date. Meaning the game is probably 2-3 months away.

Extended preview.

https://movie.illgames.jp/product/news/index/240612.mp4

>>68900
Cautiously optimistic. The first game they released as ILL was disappointing, and remember that after AA2 they went on to make the KK titles, which were huge downgrades in the sandbox aspect. That said, shit does look good for an early impression.

>>68916
Yeah, the most important thing to nail would be the sandbox aspect. It isn't AA3 if the sandbox is shit. The porn we already know will be full of clipping and dick stretching anyways

https://movie.illgames.jp/product/svs/demo/240614.mp4

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>>68921
>No collision between arms and breasts.
The year is 2024...

>>68917
The trailer only shows 12 characters existing at once so... really hoping that's not a hard limit.

>>68922
Look, it took Switch for japs to mostly upgrade to 720p. Maybe after Nintendo releases a quantum-powered gaming console, they will manage to bruteforce it out.

How do you guys usually play AA2?
I've managed to got myself in a love triangle and I kinda feel like I've nothing more to explore or achieve - just repeating the same talk/sex interactions with the two girls.

>>68929
sometimes I go the herbivore route and then i terminate it prematurely because I realize that interaction weights for the herbivore character will only be high at the start and will teeter off as relationships are established and the NPCs are more likely to interact with characters with existing relations

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>Not AA3.
back to sleep.

>>68942
They can't name it that cause they are now a "Different Company"

>>68917
At the this >>68921 says the residents (which is what they seem to call the NPCs) will interact and develop relationships between each other. It even shows a chart that says what they think of the others, similar to the one in AA2.
Not much, but something I guess.
Sex scene seems to be their typical pose picker.

>>68944
The website describes it as a "3D community formation observation simulator" and "a complex web of human relationships woven by a diverse cast of characters" (google translate is feeling fancy today), so it's seemingly going hard into the simulation aspect, at least based on the advertising.

>>68945
Take that with a boulder of salt. I vaguely recall them using similar terms to describe Room Girl, and we both know how fucking shallow of an experience that was.

>>68942
>only twelve characters
I sleep.

>>68944
Well, if it disregards the school part entirely it might not be that bad. The school related mechanics were the worst part of AA2. But I'd prefer they keep it somehow to allow the school roleplay still.
>>68955
Is that a known thing? 12 characters would be a retarded limit, but Illusion is known for retarded decisions.

>>68956
Based on the UI, yeah. But even more damning, there are only 11 personalities in this game compared to AA1's 26 and AA2's 30. No point in having 25 characters, more than half of them would be duplicates.

>>68956
Yep. 12 character limit total, with there being 10 personalities for girls and 2 for guys, and the male personalities are completely unvoiced.

>>68958
who honestly gives a fuck about male characters anyway.

>>68964
But it's fun to see them getting into fights.

>>68964
but how else i could roleplay as a kinpaki gyaruo that steal the harem protagonist childhood friends and love interests without another male in the rooster to be the cuck'd.

At the end of the video shows we can have more than 12 npcs. In that case our system specs is the limit.

https://www.illgames.jp/product/svs/systems/

>>68994
Actually, it seems to be a Koikatsu sort of deal. A set amount of premade NPCs plus 12 custom NPCs. Which is a strange design choice.

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>preorder now for ¥8,800 / $55.73 and get shit that doesn't fit the setting. 
www.dlsite.com/pro/work/=/product_id/VJ01002420
why are japs like this? give shit that makes sense in a school setting. like a randoseru or something
edited the picture to be less of a flashbang, unedited pic is in the spoiler.

>>68996
>koikatsu sort of deal
>just like HS2
>just like room girl
>just like honeycome
AA3 never :(((((

>>68996
It's them kinda trying the VN+Sandbox combo again, which yeah, I don't get the appeal either when the later is supposed to be the main draw of the game.
I didn't particularly care about the pre-defined NPCs in KK because their progression was time gated. So I had more than enough time to fuck the custom waifus I wanted to prioritize, and then get tired of the game because of how shallow it is before I made much progress with their storylines.
Seems like a bit of a waste of time and resources to me.

It's official, 24 is the max character roster.

https://www.illgames.jp/product/svs/create/

>>69212
so it's not Dead On Arrival?

>>69212
24 aint bad. Would want more since it's probably a successor to AA2, but that's only 1 less than AA2.

>>69219
That 1 extra slot for AA2 was the teacher.

Additional 8 personality announced for future release.

https://www.illgames.jp/product/svs/additional-8-types/

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>pay zero attention to this game for almost a decade
>the one time I do AA3 is confirmed
And just like that my will to keep living was extended by a few months.

>>69645
I know right? Same shit happened to me its been 9 years since I've played AA2 for more than a minute and lo and behold they're finally doing the thing everyones wanted for years. I almost wanna find a board with a high PPH and do a good old fashioned playthrough thread like the old days of /v/ and Professor Lewd

>>69652
And I would be down to read it friend.

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>>69656
So I thought I'd make a test class to see if it would work for making interesting plot, made a character who at MOST has a 30% chance of success talking to people and filled a class with interesting personalities. Round about break time I thought I had an okay thing going where I was joining enough group events to maybe be able to get some friendship going, but the DIO comes out of nowhere and forces me to fuck his ass for the rest of the period.

So I think the test is succeeding

>>69865
>gayshit right from the start
don't bother coming back.
also activate windows faggot, it's literally free.

>>69883
Look mate, I wanted to try the pure chaos of a weird class stream and a shit character, not my fault I got DIO'd
I'll activate windows SOMEDAY but not today

Also SVS is out

>>70106
BetterRepack guy got it up on mega
https://mega(dot)nz/folder/1LwhQQYY#oRi3NCb-7mpl5gxKG3JkzQ/folder/sK4hAAgJ

>>70106
Yes it is. Remove all males except yourself in the class. No more gay, how magical.

It's out, anyone please tell me it's good

>>70152
Only god awful thing is the amount of maps. Its seven. Utterly pitiful. Past that, its just AA2 with seemingly better conversations and the like.
It's very like Illusion to release a genuinely better game... and then saddle it with a crippling downside. In this case, its just the number of maps. Everything else can be trivially fixed with mods. (Male models, limited outfits, no Hobbies/Food dialogue I think. Every other conversation got like 3 variations to them so its more complex not less, but less topics suck.)

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>>70152
It's literally an updated AA2. The map's gotten a lot smaller, which I could go either way on - a lot of the maps from AA2 were corridors anyway. Qualified upside: the relationships get very messy, very quickly, because everyone's packed in tight. I expect to be a problem when the remaining 8 personalities come out - it's already pretty chaotic when everyone's in one place. They can and will talk, fight and fuck in full view of everyone else. This is slightly improved by there being off-map rooms you can get girls to follow you into (or get dragged into), so you can bang without interruption, like the love hotel in pic 3. 

As for H-scenes, it's basically HoneyCome. Clearly it happens in the sex void from AA2, rather than the 3D map itself. You don't caress/fuck manually, like in Koikatsu; you just select the position from the Caress/Service/Female Insertion/Male Insertion submenu and use the scroll wheel to select the speed, then press the exclamation mark once you're past the first dividing line to cum. Some positions have a second dividing line, past which there's a position variation. There's also a "posture" bar down in the bottom right there - there's basically two minor variations of the position that you can choose between (such as the girl leaning forward or back). There's a neat feature where you can hear the girl's inner thoughts during a H-scene, which depend on the position. I haven't tested that to exhaustion, so I don't know if it gets repetitive.

>>70162
nta but but animations and models being more like HoneyCome is fine by me because i prefer them to KK, as it should be because KK is ancient by this point. if anything HC didnt innovate enough
would you say the game has a good enough foundation to improve upon?
>>70161
according to BetterRepack dude seems like the game is encrypted to not allow modding which is frankly a death sentence if this is not bypassed soon, nips seem hellbent on tanking their products

>>70164
>would you say the game has a good enough foundation to improve upon?
Depends what you're expecting to see. Most of the mods I've run into for Illusion games have been to add more outfits, character creation options (like bigger sliders, futanari, etc.) and sex positions, rather than overworld improvements. Obviously vanilla SVS is much better than vanilla AA2 in all of those regards already and they're planning to add more outfits and whatnot as DLC, which will inevitably get added to a repack. I assume that means more outfits and props are probably going to be pretty easy to drop in, comparatively speaking.

As for overworld mods, I don't see them coming any time soon. It's just not built for that. I'm sure stuff like more locations, more activities, and pregnancy are doable, but probably beyond all but the most autistic of modders, especially if Illusion are going out of their way to make it hard.

>>70125
All ti does it seems is crash.
5 minutes is the average time before it just freezes.

>>70270
Could be too much over loading memory. I've run into that with the repacks for other illusion games. They add all the HD skins, hair, whatever but it doesn't unload properly so it just keeps loading into memory until it crashes. Try it without mods or only 1 character, see if that works better.

why does the fucking game come with terms of use now? what the fuck lol

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after spending 5 minutes in the character creation i can already see some small improvements.
like you can adjust titty catchers to actually support tits without requiring mods and accessories no longer clip into characters.

>>70334
Do clothes on large breasts actually look decent now or is it still just a warped texture?

>>70350
It looks better on most clothes, but some of them still get ugly on larger breasts. (One of the one-piece swimsuit for example.)

Is there a way to fix the penis head not penetrating the holes, but just the shaft compressing and expanding during sex?

>>70355
That has been an illus- i mean ILLGames thing for a while.
Normally there's a censor and they get away with it. You'll have to wait for mods to fix it.

Does anyone know if there's a "free mode" and how to unlock it?

>>70334
Where did you get the english translation from?
Or is it some injection thing?

>>70378
lurk more.

> male personalities are unvoiced
Fuckin' hell. I could rationalize the limitation of two male personalities when there's only twelve total, but they couldn't even spring for VAs?

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>>70398
>He wants men's voices in his hentai game

>>70398
>no male voices
Fantastic, I don't have to mod them out.

Does anyone know if the card hex edit to turn female characters into males/futas from koikatshit works on this game's cards?
I want a futa character that's male so i can make the girls straight without losing jiggly boobies on my character. I'm getting sick of them dyking it up within 3 nanoseconds of loading into the game.

>>70398
They're adding two new male personalities in the upcoming DLC, so it's extra odd that they'd be unvoiced when they know there are people who give a shit about the male characters enough to want more than two personalities.

So does that new summer game (AA3 but not named that) have, like, mods and translations yet?

>>71701
yes

Does anyone know why SVS doesn't have an updated repack yet?

>>72268
It's because it was disappointing.
AA3 never ever.
probably cuz there hasn't been any real significant updates.

>>69212
>>69476
>>70162
Wait WTF, AA3 came out and I literally never heard of it, how come?
Its a bit hard to tell but can you just have the one male character like the previous recent Ill games?

>>73161
because it is fairly barebopnes, it will take at least a year to catch up with AA2, because the japs recently love to dripfeed content

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>new game
it's gonna be koikatshit isn't it?

>>74184
This just looks like they fucking ported Koikatsu into a new engine and called it a day. Probably runs like it's on fucking UE5 and requires a 5090 to run at 60FPS or some shit.

>>74184
>that pop-in
>that framerate
Guys... its AA4 (real)

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>>74184
>>74186
>>74194
WE'RE BREAKING THE CONDITIONING!! RARRH!

>>74184
>it's just Koikatsu but 3d open "world" slop
it might be only two or three maps actually
look at the trailer, anything outside is just a shot of the same map at different angles, except the school interior map

same old 20 personalities
>Cheerful, Gentle, Friendly, Optimistic, Gyaru, Cool, Delinquent girl, Shy, Mysterious girl, Otaku, Tomboy(Bokukko), Yamato Nadeshiko, Glamorous, Old-fashioned, Boyish, Sadistic, Tsundere, Ojou-sama, Cheeky, Lazy.
the "new" ones are:
>Teacher, Barista (Cafe attendant?), Librarian.
They've really outdone themselves this time, I can't wait to play it twice and go back to AA2.

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>>74184
I just need the pregnancy and the relationships between the characters to be more interactive.

>>74184
its been like 2 weeks already, has this thing been released or not?

>>74338
It's only product news release in July. The game is getting release on 26 September.

>>74184
Illgames is a fitting name given the poor frame rate will likely make me ill.
>>74186
>>74194
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>>74255
Good to know I'm not the only one with no faith in this being good.

Illgames really is a master of consistencey. Just make the same shitty VN over and over with minor engine changes instead of EMBRACING THE TRUE POWER OF CHAOS like we all want.

>>74374
Illgames always reminds me of old internet handles. XxILLGAMESxX

Best friend status dropped back to classmate i'm gonna kill myself

Whoever put on the wiki that using deaf trait's "Huh?" makes it so you can deny interactions without affecting your relationship fucking lied I denied a follow me request with it and got immediately punched in the throat

>>75416
The wiki doesn't account for the changes you made with modules. In the unmodded game "Huh?" doesn't affect anything.

Should I play either Koikatsu Summer or Samabake? AI Shoujo was boring as sin. I'm not sure I can justify going back to AA2 again.

>>76252
There has been precisely 0 iteration on what AA2 did since it came out. There is nothing in the market since then that even comes close to it. This is the worst case scenario. You can't justify going back to AA2 again, but nothing even approaches what AA2 was. You are left with absence.