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1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z


Irish Redneck Out Cruisin'


Growing up in bumfuck Appalachia, you saw a lot of these on the road back in the 90's and 2000's

>>147
There's somebody around here that DDs a third gen IROC-Z

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long live Max Power

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Glorious factory rice comign through

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Into this house we're born ...

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>>147
Hey, I have a story. Why not share it here, right?
So, back in the 00's I see a Scooter's video for The Logical Song. It has this cool black Mercedes. Not sure what happened - perhaps, I've simply missed the name blurb, but I remember I couldn't find that song again for years. 
I remember I've eventually heard it once again somewhere around 2007 or so and actually had to come up and ask what is the name of the song that plays... And that's how I found out it is Scooter's version of The Logical Song.
Even then I couldn't find nothing about the car for years. I believe, someone on IMCDB mentioned that the car was in Chrom & Flammen, but it still took some time monitoring those second-hand magazines to stumble upon the right issue. 
And then even getting one was a story. I've finally found one in 2022 and the guy who sold it declined my first attempt to get it, since I am from Russia, and we've managed to become bad guys at that point.
I've asked my friend from US to order it for me onto my US-middleman address, and the dude cancelled the order because of the russian name in it. 
Said something about russians circumventing sanctions or something...
That was summer 2022. Luckily, nobody bought the magazine until I found another guy to get it for me. I've finally got it in April 2023.
Hey, if anyone would like the scans in the original quality - let me know. I'll keep this tab open for some time.

>>3420
That's quite the story anon, congrats on the cool ride!
>Hey, if anyone would like the scans in the original quality - let me know.
Yeah, go for it.

>>3421
Here goes: https://dropmefiles.com/4Rshj
Might be a bit of an overkill, but I just scan my mags in 600 dpi and let it rest there. I try to share them around on ocassion, when I see some interest sparkling. Have a number of old magazines at this point - it's a shame so few people are as crazy about old custom cars as I am...
The link has the full article about Mercedes and some extra scans from the same issue of Chrom & Flammen that I've found interesting.
By the way, that Mercedes appeared in silver in the Scooter video. Seem it's been repainted somewhere between 90's and early zeroes... Definitely the same car though. There aren't any others like that. And that supercharger is a fully working piece as well, not a pro street bogus stuff.

>>3423
Thanks. Your scan collection would be a good fit for a place like archive.org, lots of old mags and stuff on there.
>And that supercharger is a fully working piece as well, not a pro street bogus stuff.
Rad.

>>3425
Yea, I might do just that one day - scan all my magazines and upload them on the archive. It just takes too much time, which I do not have at the moment, unfortunately - the job takes most of my free time these days.
Still, I'm trying my best. So far my priority are books related to Ancient Egypt though - I've been scanning and uploading them on LibGen. Still has two more books left.
Either, magazines are on the backlog so far, but I'm really hoping I will get some time to spend with them. Some of the articles are just fascinating.

i always thought that 90s muscle cars were really ugly, like none of the designs seem to make sense. they're an awkward in-between of sleek and bulky, like it's trying to be both but failing at it.
for a good 20 years (90s through the 00s) muscle cars just weren't that good imo, the 2010s is when they started making them sleek again and gave them a coherent design.

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>>3443
Get him outta here. Don't-don't give him his jacket

>>3444
Oh shit anon that '97 Camaro just gave me Gran Turismo 2 flashbacks, crazy they managed to put 600+ cars in a PSX game.

>>3445
The 90s is this etherial thing that's hard to explain to a zoomer why it was good.

The cars were visually and mechanically clean designs and weren't sharp angles or busy looking. The racing was between several manufacturers and were any-horse races. They were often just the stock cars with the bolted-in safety cages (cept the BTCC had their engines lowered and bull bars hid under the bumpers). The liveries were equally clean and iconic. The cars didn't have to weigh anything particularly. Passionate people led the companies before later cynicism took over (see the differences between Golf Mk3 advertising vs the Mk4's).

I truly love them and the people who get not just excited by but in love with the post-era cars I just find bewildering. You can get 500 HP from a 1.2L now... but my love is for the time when base econocars could be made to sing and didn't cost 30+ grand.

>>3444
The '90s ones look so much better it's not even funny. I don't know anything about cars, but I really took '90s cars for granted at the time. Back then, I thought they looked generic compared to older cars and didn't have any appreciation for them. I still prefer the way older vehicles looked, but nowadays I have an appreciation for the look that I didn't have then.

>>3450
Middle of the nineties circa Gran Turismo 1 is the aesthetic peak for me.

MR2 > MR-S
Supra > Altezza
Starlet > Yaris

There's loads of theories for why cars are ugly nowadays; computer aided design, regulations, buying habits, loss of talent... Mainly I blame the loss of talent that lets things like a reliance on CAD in the design stages through the door.

The American cars of the era are nice but mechanically a lot less refined at the time. They've got leaf spring rears, wider tolerances, they're made the old way underneath the skins basically. The first corvette to have "real suspension" marked the change to modern practices.

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>>3443
Man. Man!
In the 2010's they've lost everything that made them muscle. Every single one of them, except for the Challenger - it is the only one that still looks like a proper muscle car. Muscle car never supposed to look "sleek again" - the only american cars that were able to put sleek into a muscle are Corvette and Viper, and even then some people would rightfully argue that 90's 'Vette and Viper are not muscle, and even then 2010's 'Vette and Viper are a far cry from their previous iterations and definitely not muscle - they've want all the way into "your typical euro super-dupercar" zone.

>>3445
Need For Speed High Stakes for me. I've actually replayed it not so long ago.

>>3446
I wonder if there's an Impala with a classic supercharger out there somewhere. I like it when they put old school looking setups on modern cars.

>>3450
Aye, back in the days I've took all those cars for granted. Who could've know... Nowadays it is so exciting to see a 90's car on the road. It already look like a timeless classic.

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sometimes I wonder if there will be another car like the NSX that can bring the status quo to its knees. It felt like cars in the 80's and 90's developed in such interesting ways because there was still space and opportunity to expand into. It feels nowadays the fun and spirit of model iterations have been optimized out for the benefit of performance, horsepower and grip while ignoring the core of driving for enjoyment.
not to mention the loss of some of motorsports most exciting racing: group B rally and gt1 racing. It feels like everyone was trying everything and anything to get the upper hand in those races, creating some of the most fun and interesting production vehicles in the process.
Sorry if this post feels like mopey nostalgia bait, but I just miss when things felt more free spirited instead of lab-driven.

>>3824
Car design went downhill when pedestrian safety had to be taken into account.

>>3828
Explain?

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>>3838
In the early 00s it became a feature of legislation to start looking at pedestrian safety, and injuries. To reduce injuries that meant hard angles had to be softened, that everything needed to morph into the generic blob that is prevalent today. It's why modern Lincolns, along with a slew of other iconic designs, will never be remade outside of limited nostalgia, overpriced runs.

>>3839
*classic lincolns
Was going to say modern Lincolns are trash, but reworded mid-sentance. Also forgot doc.

>>3839
>won't somebody think of the Pedestrians?!
I say this as a man who walks and busses everywhere, but I'd no idea the Nanny State went so far.

>>3841
Wait until you hear about what the nanny state has planned under the pretext of drunk driving and climate change. And as always, it is the communists leading the charge, with a smattering of planned "it's the global consensus" to follow. Between smart phones and social media, I really dislike that an expectation of privacy, and control over property have become extreme positions in the last 15 years, all in the name of convenience.

>>3855
Seems like you got lost. /pol/ is that way.

>>3856
Seems like you have a problem seeing /pol/ everywhere. Here, have an old ACLU article about it. https://archive.is/BEXzH
Electronics in vehicles are a pox, and I miss the days when didn’t have to worry about car manufacturers aping the worst of Apple/Microsoft/Google etc.

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>>3839
That explains a lot. I always wondered what the exact reason was for today's round, crappy-looking cars. Is there any reason why they couldn't bring back the style of the rounded cars from the past that actually looked nice? Something like pic related? I know that's what the PT Cruiser tried to do, but that still looks too contemporary for my tastes.
>>3857
And the more complex you make a car, the more potential points of failure you add.

>>3828
>>3839
Acting like driver safety wasn't a factor is ridiculous. As much as I love 80s and 90s cars a lot of them were literal death traps.

>>3860
Like? How does transforming them all in eggs make it better?

>>3862
Nigga are you serious? Crumple zones are specifically designed to absorb the kinetic energy, which otherwise would be transferred to the driver and passengers. This shitty video has plenty of crashes where you can clearly see how much difference modern car design makes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TikJC0x65X0
Yeah they look like shit but they save more lives. Not everything is some nonsense conspiracy to fuck with drivers.

>>3866
Anon, I wouldn't ask if I wasn't serious.

>nonsense conspiracy
In 2024 AD, there are plenty of actual and ongoing conspiracies out there. You never know.

Also! That reminds me, the glory days of The X-Files were when people were generally skeptical of their government. Which was throughout the 90s and early 00s. Which seems to fit this board pretty well.

>>3867
How silly of me to expect some common sense and basic psychics knowledge.
>Which seems to fit this board pretty well.
No it doesn't. The no politics and conspiracy theories rule's been there for a reason since the very first day of /y2k/.

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>>3869
Why are you getting so put out about this so quickly? It was just an observation. Chill pill, man.

>no politics
Yeah yeah, I got that. Still can't discuss why car designs got worse for instance without bringing up the several different factors. Including hearsay, if you like. And I'm not even the one who brought it up!  Though on the X-Files and similar fictional media, that's clearly part of time period and its zeitgeist, whether you like it or not.

Anyway, I asked about deathtrap cars as an anon without the first clue about them. Wanna help rerail things by talking about those?

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>>3870
That dude is kind of right. It was not only about pedestrian safety.
Pedestrian safety took away our pop-up headlights and hood ornaments.
>>3858
>Is there any reason why they couldn't bring back the style of the rounded cars from the past that actually looked nice?
It was mostly driver safety that took that. Because, yea, "muh crumple zones"
All I can say to it is - they can go to hell. I'd rather have deathtrap car that looks cool rather than this modern piece of tasteless rounded concentrated mediocrity.
All this safetyism sucks out a solid portion of soul out of this life. And it all started with fuckers like Charles Richter who wanted to remove ornaments from buildings because earthquakes make those fall off. Well fucking done, now we all live in faceless boxes. Surely a lot of people are happy.
Really, I'd rather die in a muscle car than drive a modern car. And, frankly, I've been doing something like that by buying an old 70's car from a local manufacturer. Fuck safetyism.

>>3892
>Fuck safetyism.
What gets my goat is all the legal restrictions around automobile manufacture for "public safety" but you can still buy a motorcycle that does 190mph with no questions asked.

Assumption of risk sure but why can that not apply to a four wheeled vehicle too?

>>3892
>popup headlights
Wait, why those?

>>3902
Something, something, way too sharp edges or whatever. Kills pedestrians, must be banned.

>>3894
Huh. What a neat point. I've never even thought about that.

Really, it's... kind of weird when you think about it. And on the other hand - I'm sure the answer is money. They somehow benefit from all the car safety. If they could somehow benefit from a bike ban or something, they'd do it too.

>>3906
Yes, it's truly terrible how it's 10 times more likely to die or suffer serious injuries in pre 2000s cars. You know what the difference is? You can't make motorbikes safer.

>>3907
Like, who gives a fuck. I'm not buying your safety-first evo-friendly shitbug either way.
What the fuck are even doing here. This is retro thread. We do not need airbags and we do not wear seatbelts here. Heck, there are no seatbelts in our cars by factory design, get lost.

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>>3908
That's a good point. We should be talking about 90s and 2000s cars instead of why everything modern sucks. Let's keep it that way.

Anyway I always liked how those early 2000s Dodge Vipers looked.

>>3914
That model of Viper was my first favorite car. Fell in love with it when I was playing Test Drive 6 as a kid.

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>>3914
miata? :^)
but in all seriousness the dodge viper rocks. anything with a v10 fucks, not to mention it being an NA v10.

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>>3858
>PT Cruiser
By the way, like it or not, but that was the car that (along with the Prowler) started the whole parade of neo-retro designs of 2000's that eventually saw rebirth of many classic muscle cars. Which were really good... for a generation or two.
Kinf of fun. Just like the original Mustang became a Foxbody, the 2005 Mustang became an abomination we see today. At least Foxbody's l4 had some power, Ecoboost is a joke.

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I wish I had gotten my license sooner...

>>4179
>those seats
Hnnng

>>3914
>lets not argue over time periods guys
OP may have done but I have not come here just to nostalge all over myself. If you say a car is good I want to know the reasoning for why. Or why not.

This is even in-period once you stretch to the early 2000s. The same design study that produced the yaris over the starlet, or the prius over the camry will be responsible for the MR-S and the Altezza as well. These cars find themselves ruined by CAD & by cynical eurocuck design committee. You may say they look good because of their form, like a roadster or a big saloon is naturally pretty; if so they are kind of cheating since any design in that format ought to look good (unless you're counting the micra convertible or something). The MR-S design on anything except that body type would look like everything else. Possibly even like that early SUV Subaru whatever it was called.

My cutoff for cars is 2001 but I don't just want to say it is because "I prefer it that way" or oh it's personal taste but I want to have clear rationale, as objective as I can make it so that in theory I'd understand what it would take to arrive at good design again.

We are assembled annoraks on the subject here. To not argue is to waste opportunity in testing my thoughts.

>>4182
>anorak
Oh boy. How was the British car industry back then?

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For enthusiasts with a bit of money about them there were surprisingly rich pickings that were (almost) universally loved:- Aston Martin, Jaguar, Lister, Lotus, Marcos, Morgan, Noble, TVR, etc.

That a bunch of those companies were to later get into poverty and stop production, well none of that had quite happened yet and they all still made smashing cars.

All quite expensive though and won't hold a family. Basically the only working man's champion in there is a second-hand Jag. Or, those years of rolls royce when they would accidentally over-produce some and the used car market would adjust by lowering.

If you were a middle-class man after a mass market car with still some sporting credentials, it's buy German, or American, or buy foreign because the domestic scene is pretty bleak even back then. Not getting into politics too much, but the red wall did a number on them all.

Take a look at that Vauxhall-Opel rebadged Suzuki Alto. Or how about European region's exclusive Mitsubishi to rival that of the Eclipse?

I don't want to sound too pessimistic when frankly I'd be happy in any one of those cars. Even the Agila with a fog light delete and silly bolt on wind deflectors. But you have to do some car spotting to see them still out in the wild, whereas the Jaguars were generally well kept and looked after.