/retro/ - Y2K

I think that Win2K was the peak of computing, it's functionally the same as XP only it has a more serious appearance. If there were a way to use it in the modern age without being gimped to hell and back I'd still use it.

In terms of board-relevant OSes, XP. That's where I had most of my early internet adventures, anyway. I used 98 and even 3.1 back in the 90s, but my 3.1 machine lacked internet capability and I was almost never allowed online (like, once or twice a year) when we got a 98 box. So I spent most of my time then playing games off shovelware CDs.

I wanted to mess with Linux back in the 00s, but I never had a spare computer/drive to put it on and was afraid of losing data by setting up a dual boot. At least I could rice the shit out of my XP box with bbLean to look like the cool kids. Nowadays I just use a simple Linux setup without much rice.

Debian reinvigorated my interest in computers and I wouldn't use another distro unless it went to shit. Nostalgia wise XP was what I used during my own subjective 'golden era' of the internet and I wish things were more like then than they are now.

>>2103
>not using XP with the Green or Royale skin

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>>2106
green was fugly, silver/chrome was the shit

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I can't choose between the Windows 9x systems or Windows XP with the Luna theme when it comes to aesthetics. My first experience with computers was using one that I think had been upgraded to Windows 95 from DOS, and my family upgraded to 98 and XP when they came out. I also remember using Windows Me in school and at my friend's house. 

XP is my favorite of the classic operating systems as far as usability is concerned. I first started using the Internet with Windows 98 but didn't really get into the Internet hardcore until the XP era.

Thinking about all this just makes me wish ReactOS was viable as a replacement for Windows 10.

>>2108
>Thinking about all this just makes me wish ReactOS was viable as a replacement for Windows 10.
Best case scenario is that ReactOS becomes like FreeDOS, an updated replacement OS for old as shit computers performing mission critical tasks that rely on ancient proprietary software. It's unlikely to have feature parity with the latest Windows at any point in the future (moving target after all).

I run OpenBSD.
If you run it and avoid GUI software and software not written in C unless there is no alternative, it's a pleasant computing experience.

>>2105
Debian went to shit over 10 years ago pal.

>>2108
Pixel art icons were the best. 3.x, 9x, 2000, classic Mac, all of them were just so nice to look at.

>>2110
>Debian went to shit over 10 years ago pal.
I'd be interested to know why you think so. I wasn't using it back then so I wouldn't know.

>>2109
I'm just hoping at some point it becomes equivalent in usability to the 64-bit edition of Windows XP. That's clearly unlikely to happen anytime soon though.
>>2111
Definitely.

>>2108
Did you use the classic theme with XP? I didn't care for the luna theme and classic made it mostly look like 2000/9x.

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Windows 7 (technically still the 2000s) > XP > 98 > 95
Anyone else remembers Comic Chat? I spent hours playing with this shit on Win 95.

Windows 7 is my all-time favorite, but I personally don't consider it /retro/ because I used it from 2010 to 2020, so I'll have to say Windows XP. I used XP daily from around 2002 to 2007, and it was the OS where I learned most of my foundational knowledge regarding computers, software, internet, etc. Earlier this year I even dug out and upgraded an old Pentium 4-based XP machine I've had lying around for years just for fun/nostalgia purposes. It surprised me how usable it still is, at least provided I give it enough RAM and go back to being very conservative with multi-tasking. If push came to shove, I could probably still use it as my main OS, which is a comforting thought.

I have fond memories of Windows 95 too, but we didn't have internet back then and I was too young at that time to really do anything besides play games and click on random shortcuts, so I didn't get the most out of it like I did with XP.

>>2117
I vaguely remember messing around with it as a kid, but I don't think I realized it was supposed to be an online chat thing due to not having internet. I remember being at my older cousin's house around 1997/1998 and watching him use some kind of instant messenger to talk to one of his friends, and I remember being confused as to how this was even possible. Even the fact they were using psuedonyms like "Alien" kinda freaked me out.

>>2116
Yeah, I used to switch between those two but mainly stuck with the classic Windows look. My problem with Luna is that it's such a specific look that it can look pretty bad if you don't have a desktop background that you know will look good with it. The 9x look is a lot more understated.
>>2117
I can't see that without immediately thinking of Jerk City.

>>2112
systemd, pulseaudio, the tranny takeover...

>>2120
Those aren't Debian-specific issues though; those are problems with most mainstream Linux distributions.

>>2120
>>2121
Heck Pulse is optional (mostly anyway but there are wrappers IIRC) and Devaun exists if you really don't like Systemd. As for that last one only 2 members in the head Officers group have female names (https://www.debian.org/intro/organization) but no idea what their situation is. According to https://contributors.debian.org it's mostly dudes also.

>>2103
If you like the classic windows look and fell, I'd probably just use Linux+XFCE+Chicago95 theme. With DOSBox and Wine, you could probably use many of the older applications too, while having access to newer opensource applications.

>>2103
>If there were a way to use it in the modern age without being gimped to hell and back I'd still use it.
There are ways to extend it's functionality. This website has a collection of files that you can install to extend it's capabilities to even be able to possibly install some XP applications.
>>2103'>https://i430vx.net/files/Win2k/>>2103

>>2120
>Systemd
Install Devuan

>pulseaudio
Replace it with something else

>the tranny takeover
How does this affect Debian?

My favorite OS is XP though I wish MS had gone with the Whistler look. I'm also fond of Vista as I feel it was the last time they tried to be ambitious. Haiku/BeOS is the best looking though I've never used it.

>>2110
I am using it aswell. I like its simplicity.

I am new here and i was like "retro OS"? This is my place! Then i went and read the posts and it was like OS=windows. So let me mention all the OS i have used so far, maybe you will find some interesting.

I started with DOS 5.0, then Win3.1, but after a year i have switched quickly to 95, then to 98, and to 98SE, which i used for a long period of time.
I have experimented with some linux then, but i never found it enjoyable.
Then in the last sec i have met with BeOS before Be Inc. went down, and used BeOS for a very long time. But i had to use some windows-only applications, so i multibooted.
For education i had to switch to WindowsXP on win front, and also upgraded to Zeta on BeOS front.
Then there was a short lived QNX 6.4 install, still with the classic Photon GUI. Also made an errand in the OS/2 world. Then there was a period where i have spent plenty years to hop from one OS to the next to find the ONE. But i haven't.
Then i started to hackintosh and used mac from 10.4 - 10.10 or so, but it went really downhill after SL.
After this i jumped to Haiku and running still today, but in the beginning it wasn't able to support me as main OS, so had to looks for a companion OS, so distrohopped almost every major and small linux distribution, but it felt like nothing changed in linux distributions in the past 20 years since i first met with linux (ok, configuring X wasn't a thing anymore, but can't really mention any positive change other than this). Then i had a long-living FreeBSD install, but then i have switched to OpenBSD and i think i can call myself happy now.
Of course there was plenty other small and strange OS installed on my computers, or used during day-job, like HP-UX, SGI IRIX, AIX, Plan9.
Show us your list!

>>2821
That's a very impressive list! I only used Windows since the 90's and Linux since the last few years... I've been wanting to try a FOSS OS that isn't Linux, my top candidates at the moment are OpenBSD and Haiku, and since you used both I might as well ask you:

- How compatible are they with modern hardware? I'm talking about Windows 10 era desktops and laptops with wifi cards.
- What programs are available other than first-party software? Are there developer friendly tools available?
- What's the state of the GUI? Is it as usable as Windows XP/7? Is it customizable?

I'm interested to hear answers drawing from your personal experience. I personally find modern Windows unusable and consider Linux a "lesser evil" that's only usable after a great deal of tweaking, so an alternative would be nice.

>>2823
>- How compatible are they with modern hardware? I'm talking about Windows 10 era desktops and laptops with wifi cards.
Depending on your use-cases both can be a main OS for you and none aswell. Both OS lacks on 3d acceleration front, but OBSD have pretty good wlan drivers. Haiku now uses lan and wifi drivers both from FreeBSD and from OpenBSD, so there should be no big differences in hw support. However Haiku doesn't support some uncommon setup or hw.
Sound support: it is OK with OBSD, but can be tricky with Haiku, in some cases the OpenSound package can help (instal lfrom the Depot), or in some cases a soft/warm reboot from a different OS can help to fix the initialization.
Neither Haiku nor OpenBSD have usable Bluetooth stack, however Haiku at least have the basics already in place, so basic pairing works, but nothing else. Do not expect your bt speaker will work.
OpenBSD have bigger development team but they try to support a much wider architecture, while Haiku practically available only for x86/x86_64 and for riscv platforms. Arm is in progress, but nobody reached desktop yet.
I don't really own modern hw, but i always test Haiku with my company provided computers, so far  i had positive experiences.
Haiku supports NVME SSDs by the way.
If you need any other info, let me know.


- What programs are available other than first-party software? Are there developer friendly tools available?
Both for Haiku and for OBSD you can research the available ports via a webbrowser:
https://depot.haiku-os.org/
and
https://www.ports.to/ OR https://openbsd.app/

- What's the state of the GUI? Is it as usable as Windows XP/7? Is it customizable?
On BSD you can install many well known DE, so customization shouldn't be an issue. However on Haiku it is really different. There is only one DE, and while it provides some customization, you won't win a unixpr0n rice-price with Haiku. There are themed window frames and control UIs (window gui elements), but i prefer the default one, so i stick with that. You can however color it as you wish, some made dark themes, but i don't feel the need for dark UI, so i don't care.
For me the Haiku UI is usable, clear and simple, but keep in mind i use BeOS like OS since 2000 or so. A newcomer should probably unlearn many things, and adapt / learn about many BeOS/Haiku specific stuff. The earlier you accept it is a unix like but not unix system (eg. not linux, not bsd, it doesn't provides multiuser capability on the GUI, there is no ACLs and many other things many takes as granted.

If you have any question, feel free to ask.

Windows 95 for life. You really do not need any more GUI clogging up your machine.
The fact that modern Windows take up so much space is simply a crime.

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At the moment I have OpenBSD and Linux, on seperate ARM computers. OpenBSD is simply a containement zone for iridium (chromium) browser, whenever I'm forced to use that for whatever reason. Otherwise that board pretty much just sits idle.
The Linux is a very modified Armbian (Ubuntu) that I removed systemd from, and replaced with BusyBox. I also removed all the desktop environment stuff I could (to the extent that hardcoded package dedencies allowed), because I hardly ever use X at all. But I didn't remove X altogether, because I do need it on occasions. Otherwise most of the time I'm just in the framebuffer tty. Like for example, i'm typing this post in Links2 browser.
This is the best compromise I could manage at this time. I prefer older systems like those that existed in the 80's and 90's, but it's not practical to run those now and it would cost much more money than these two little ARM boards.

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>>3972
> 

>This is the best compromise I could manage at this time. I prefer older systems like those that existed in the 80's and 90's, but it's not practical to run those now and it would cost much more money than these two little ARM boards.
I recommend you contact anon.cafe/f/ for ideas how to keep your costs down on such gear. Teach us your ways, Sempai.

In all seriousness I'd still be on WinXP if they didn't make the big swap from 32-bit to 64-bit.
Cannot imagine what will make me move from Win7 though.

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>>3972
I tried to upgrade that old install of OpenBSD but I did something wrong, so I decided to try something else instead.
This one has all the games, and that's very important! :3

>>4687
Very nice 8). I tried Dragonfly BSD once and liked it, but will admit I'm not into command line so I didn't keep it more than a few days.

Windows Mobile was my favorite, but I watched PDAs fizzle out before I could settle on a model I liked. Also the sales clerk thought I was a thief because I was the only 20-year-old into PDAs in town (eBay was big at the time).

I did have a Lumia/Microsoft phone and loved it a decade later though.

I moved from Windows 7 to Windows 10 reluctantly a year or two ago, and I've experimented with Linux since apparently the desktop experience isn't as excruciating as it used to be. This is actually true if you use a modern retard-friendly distro like Mint, but I don't want the US military to backdoor my PC using systemd so I went with Void Linux instead. I had thought it was "clunky but tolerable" until I changed the desktop environment from XFCE to KDE Plasma, which effectively made the computer look and behave as though it were designed by human beings instead of Linux programmers.

The level of customizability is staggering, and it's actually gotten to the point now that Linux is stable enough and friendly enough that I'd seriously consider it as an alternative to Windows for people who know how to work a command line.

>>4702
Plasma really did make Linux usable, I'm on Devuan with it and have encountered very few problems (I did try to get Stable Diffusion working but all the packages were too old for it to work with GPU support making it worthless, but oh well, not very important)

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My first GUI experience was an Amiga 500 very much like pic. I was actually a bit late to the party, because I bought it in 1992, and ended up getting on the of last batches of the original 500 with Kickstart ROM 1.3 and Workbench 1.3 also. Soon after Commodore started selling instaed an A500+ model that had the 2.0 ROM, before replacing it entirely with the newer A600. Ok that's a lot of useless info just to say that this blue background screen and white/black/orange icons/text is the GUI that I first booted up to. And I have to say it worked amazingly well, even though I only had the internal floppy drive in the beginning. If you wanted a multitasking GUI this well designed back then, the only superior choice was a Mac, and those had very high price tags. Yeah forget about Mac that's entirely too high-end! The A500 was actually like half the cost of an entry-level PC (which at the time came with DOS and Windows 3.x). Unfortunately I didn't know it at the time, but Commodore would end up going bankrupt only a couple years later. Whatever the reasons for that, it doesn't matter. For me the important part here is my first GUI experience was this fantastic Amiga Workbench 1.3. It left such an impression on me that everything Microsoft released seemed like complete dogshit (and nothing has changed to this day). And that *nix GUI, X11 well that's better than dogshit but it can't ever match the Amiga. Even in the 90's the amount of bloat required to run a GUI on Linux was staggering. My first PC (I later bought a 486 with 4 megs RAM) couldn't even run XFree86 without going into swap. What The Actual Fuck! Just think about that for a second: the window system is so bloated that an average PC hasn't got enough memory to run it. And to this day it's only gotten bigger and more hungry on other resources (especially disk space!)
But the Amiga, it booted into a GUI from floppy disk, and you still had the vast majority of your RAM free on a 1 meg A500. So that's why I only have disgust at every modern OS. They are simply monstrosities with a slick coat of paint on them.

>>4702
I've heard people say that systemd is bugged by the feds but I've never seen any evidence suggesting that this is true, or that it's not true for e.g. runit which comes with Void. I just avoid systemd because distributions that come with it have worked the least well for me. Anyway, how has your void experience been? I was a little interested but also intimidated, so I use Artix with Cinnamon to get started with. I remember hating Plasma a long time ago, but maybe I'm confusing it with GNOME somehow. I love rats and mice and lightweight things so XFCE was attractive to me, but I have to admit that without spending a whole day or two on customization, it is so terrifically ugly that I would never let a non-Linux user see me using it, and even after customization it's still broken like displaying my clock partially off-screen. Even something as basic as the default wallpaper a few versions ago was just a solid color covered in non-continuous Bezier curves, which is something that only someone with less than zero experience in graphic design would do, just to give you an idea of who they employ and ship from in terms of visuals. So the whole conceit of XFCE (that it's lightweight but not too lightweight so that ordinary users still have their creature comforts) is null. But all of it has become somewhat irrelevant to me since I've discovered that I'm allergic to pointing devices and I prefer to navigate and control with my keyboard, so I'll look for a tiling windows manager. : )

Also I want to add that there's nothing particularly "retard-friendly" about Mint besides the Cinnamon desktop and all its "goodies" which you can get pre-installed on many distributions... You will still have all the same old Linux problems, just with a coat of paint that is digestible to Windows users.

>>4703
>I did try to get Stable Diffusion working but all the packages were too old for it to work with GPU support
ComfyUI works like a charm on Linux and Windows with both AMD and Nvidia GPUs in my own personal testing, I bet that your real problem is Python and their refusal to use semantic versioning, so every minor update is a breaking change. It is a LOT of work to go through every last error log and find the incompatible version and then go edit the dependency files, rinse and repeat for a different incompatibility until you finally get your anime bobos LoRAs working... Maybe try "SwarmUI"? It does all the work for you pretty much.
I know this is off-topic, but if you let me know your use case, I might be able to recommend you something specific. Anyone still using a model from the official Stability line is wearing their pants on their head.

>>4707
That's magnificent! I feel a pang of guilt every time I get excited about a system or program using what is considered a low amount of resources today, knowing that it's still dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of times more than the resources that were even physically available to nobler software back then. The guilt is even worse when I know that the three orders of magnitude difference in resource intensity doesn't even accomplish anything qualitative different from what my older cousins could do on an Amiga. For heaven's sake, Windows 11 requires 60 GB of storage just to install and easily goes into virtual memory just idling with nothing besides a web browser open.

Haiku OS

https://haiku-os.org

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>>4708
>I've heard people say that systemd is bugged by the feds but I've never seen any evidence suggesting that this is true
In a literal sense, systemd will ping Google and Amazon servers for "routine network tests" during startup. There is no reason it should do this other than to tell a botnet your computer is turning on (do I think it literally does this? no... not yet). In a more philosophical sense, the reason why systemd has become so popular is because RedHat/Fedora have been trying to force it into everything, and their number one financial supporter is the US military. The US govt and military has already forced CPU and motherboard manufacturers (and others, probably) to engineer and allow backdoors into their system so that the US military can infiltrate and take control of consumer-grade PCs.

Also, pic related.

>Anyway, how has your void experience been? I was a little interested but also intimidated, so I use Artix with Cinnamon to get started with.
I haven't done anything too intensive, but installing software has been easy and I've been surprised at how much stuff is in the Void repositories. Artix is probably a more practical distro since it inherits a lot of what makes Arch appealing but I figured that if I really wanted to get away from systemd then it made sense to get a distro that wasn't simply "X without the thing that X is build around." Honestly I'm not a distro wizard so I couldn't tell you any technical reasons why Void is better or worse, but it's been good to me.
>I remember hating Plasma a long time ago, but maybe I'm confusing it with GNOME somehow.
I've never actually used GNOME, but that's certainly possible given both DEs bill themselves as being "modern, feature-rich" whatevers. KDE probably has some performance reductions compared to XFCE but I literally couldn't tell you what they are.

>but I have to admit that without spending a whole day or two on customization, it is so terrifically ugly that I would never let a non-Linux user see me using it, and even after customization it's still broken like displaying my clock partially off-screen
XFCE was a letdown for me in almost exactly the same way, and because it was the default option for Void I thought "well, I guess this is the best Linux can do" since lots of distros say they support multiple DEs but I know better than to trust a FOSS project saying they're technically compatible with some third party software. Plasma has been the opposite: everything does exactly what it looks like, I have a lot of control over how everything looks, and in most cases if you do end up with something wonky you can adjust its size or the info it displays to make it look fine - good, even.

>You will still have all the same old Linux problems, just with a coat of paint that is digestible to Windows users
That is a pretty big point in Mint's favor, since most Linux users are former/current Windows users. The Mint community also seems to be full of people who actually understand that computers are supposed to serve humans rather than vice versa, which is invaluable because it means their autism won't scare away new blood (as much). I actually tried using the Cinnamon DE on Void, but it caused serious display problems and made the system freeze up and require a restart. Have you used it yourself on systemd distros? I imagine it'd be more functional there.

>>4709
Gorgeous but never proven to be viable. As a BeOS enthusiast who was born too late to see it in action, I really want Haiku to succeed, but even BSD has more users, doesn't it? I feel like it has even less of a chance than ReactOS to amount to anything.
By the way, it's just Haiku, not Haiku OS. They only have "-os" in their address because they couldn't acquire a domain name that was just "haiku" : )

>>4710
>RedHat/Fedora have been trying to force it into everything, and their number one financial supporter is the US military 
ouhhh... All makes sense now. Too bad, I actually liked Fedora when I used it.

>KDE probably has some performance reductions compared to XFCE but I literally couldn't tell you what they are. 
It just runs worse on worse hardware, that's it. There's probably no difference if you're not running off a Raspberry Pi or some other SBC, or a computer old enough that running *NIX is your only option in 2025.
>since lots of distros say they support multiple DEs but I know better than to trust a FOSS project saying they're technically compatible with some third party software.
Hm, I don't think it's a matter of inter-distribution compatibility, more like "exactly how we expect the average Linux user to use their system" compatibility, and even then, nothing will totally break, there will only be tiny bugs and errors that take forever to hunt down and manually fix by rewriting config files. I just use Cinnamon because I've been able to rely on it and it comes with a nice suite of software preinstalled for whenever I need to boot it into live environment (far from everything I want, though. gnome disk utility but no gparted, like come on). Thanks for your post, I'll remember Plasma if I ever need to set up a Linux for a non-computer person.

>I actually tried using the Cinnamon DE on Void, but it caused serious display problems and made the system freeze up and require a restart. Have you used it yourself on systemd distros? I imagine it'd be more functional there.
I can only guess why Cinnamon would give you issues on Void. Do you use Nvidia graphics?
I've used Cinnamon on systemd distributions and I can tell you that it works as well if not better on OpenRC and runit versions of Artix, at least on my machines.

>>4710
>The Mint community also seems to be full of people who actually understand that computers are supposed to serve humans rather than vice versa.
It's multi-faceted. On the one hand, it's true that practically everyone you meet who isn't on a "noob-friendly distro" is a living stereotype of the TinkerOS user who blows his top at the mere suggestion that it should be easy and not difficult to get anything worthwhile done on computers. On the other hand, those same "noob-friendly distros" are becoming more and more tolerant and coddling of people who want to use Linux exactly the same way as they use Windows (that is to say, forfeiting freedom, wisdom, and simplicity). Snaps, Flatpaks, even Appimages are a disgrace. Distribution developers are giving in to and enabling the sort of people who can be described as "you can take the user out of Windows, but you can't take Windows out of the user." In my opinion, if you're not willing to recognize that you know computers backwards and need to adapt to something new in order to not waste your time and Earth's electricity, then you have no business switching to Linux, just stay in your Microsoft panopticon, slave-boy. "Noob-friendly distros" should be about easing new users into the unlearning-relearning process as gently and non-overwhelmingly as possible, not making it the path of least resistance for them to maintain all the bad habits they developed by using Windows since the XP days.
Seriously, if your interest in Linux stops and ends at "I just need to be able to say I don't use Windows" and you continue using your OS as nothing more than a bootloader for your YouTube/Twitch slop-treadmill so that you can play Steam games without hearing your own thoughts... If your brain is so tiny and inflexible that you think that clicking around an "app store" GUI is somehow easier than typing on a CLI... Just stay on Windows.

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>>4713
>Snaps, Flatpaks, even Appimages are a disgrace
>just stay in your Microsoft panopticon, slave-boy
>using your OS as nothing more than a bootloader for your YouTube/Twitch slop-treadmill so that you can play Steam games without hearing your own thoughts...
>If your brain is so tiny and inflexible that you think that clicking around an "app store" GUI is somehow easier than typing on a CLI... Just stay on Windows.

AmigaOS by a longshot. Peak comfy. Many people only know that platform via video games but it had a lot of cool applications too and it had this concept of "screens" where applications would run in their own screen unbothered by others, kind of like how on modern Mobile OSes, you switch between apps and they take up the whole screen. This of course was more a comporomise with the technical limitations than anything else at that time but I always found it leads to a very focused way of doing things and I replicate it on my modern Linux PC. No taskbar, no clock, no notifications, just a very lightweight wm plus a simple dmenu-based popup-selector to switch between programs and they are all fullscreen with no window decorations. It's very comfortable.

I still have a moderately expanded Amiga today and I love using that thing because of that. The GUI feels sleek and clear, multitasking and application switching is *very* smooth and there's even a system (ARexx) with which applications can communicate and use each other in a way that makes Unix Pipes look downright primitive and dbus like some shit smeared across the wall. That OS is full of such neat things that have no (well working) modern equivalent.

I also like the MacOS of 68k times for similar reasons, although if I had to choose I'd pick the Amiga still. I do have nostalgia for DOS and old Win9x, and I actually would say Win9x had a usable interface, but I don't necessarily think they were good OSes.

As I mentioned, I do use a modern Linux computer and have it heavily customized to my specifications but I don't really *enjoy* using it. Linux is full of bloat and it just gets worse and worse. I use it because it's the least bad choice, not because I think it's good. This is only going to get worse, I'm afraid.

My dream is to just remote control other computers from my Amiga, and I'm halfway there.

>>4714
Yes, that's what I look like IRL, and I think that people who are too stubborn to use a computer correctly don't deserve freedom or privacy at the expense of turning all PC-oriented software into a baby toy. I think that people who are petrified of the command line and think that unfamiliar = difficult should stay on Windows (for their own sake, if anything) rather than create demand for FOSS devs to cater to the mentality of someone who's been using smartphones since they were in the crib. Now do you have any retort other than indirectly calling me fat?

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>>4716
>Now do you have any retort other than indirectly calling me fat?
Take your pick.

>>4718
>screenshot taken with Windows
Oh okay so you're just butthurt. I don't have anything against anyone who chooses to stay on Windows, for the record. Mediocre at everything but spyware it may be, if it gets the job done with the least amount of work, then so be it.

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>>4719
Dude, if you look at the man in >>4714 and take a comparison to him as an insult then that's your own crippling self-loathing talking, and if you don't find any humor in a thread about the usability of modern OSs being derailed into griping about windows slave boys then you're beyond help.

Please remember the internet is for having fun.

>>4722
Yeah, you're right. I'm sorry. Thanks for grounding me.

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>>4723
*hugs u*