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The 2000's were arguably the last decade when children actually played with toys...
 
What toys did you have? What toys did you want? Share memories from visiting the big toy aisles, etc.
 
P.S. The size of the pictures does not indicate the importance/quality of the toys besides Action Man vs Max Steel..'cause Action man is better or you can argue otherwise.
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I had this alien spaceship toy you could open up and see the interior and all the small alien figurines manning it, you could even detach them from the ship. It had this biological feel to it and I also had another similar one, but it was a giant biomech that you also could open up and see the aliens controlling it. I hope I could see it again someday.
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>>223 (OP) 
I remember in the early 2000s Toys R Us used to play the Sugar Plum Fairy from the Nutcracker but on repeat, occasionally breaking it up with an advert (e.g. they had a 10% off deal on a certain toyline). I could never afford any toys (neither could my family), so I'd spend hours looking at all the toys I wanted, but could never get. The theme is still burned into my head to this day, but it must have drove my mother mad. 

>>224
The /toy/ bunker has a toy identification thread, maybe ask over there? https://prolikewoah.com/toy/res/73.html
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I really wanted Wuvluv, in hindsight it was stupid toy and as I grow up it wasn't for my taste. I remember watching an ad for it on TV which is why I wanted one, however it was too expensive so I didn't get it.
>>224 
>I hope I could see it again someday 
Don't lose hope anon! Do you have anymore details about that toy? Manufacturer, Year, Country, Toyline name, Scale?
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>>223 (OP) 
Honestly, I loved playing with Digimon toys along with dinosaurs and toy trains.

Another one of my favorite toys as a child were the little green army men and similar fare like those bags of little Cowboys & Indians that came in all sorts of bright colors.
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>>269
>Another one of my favorite toys as a child were the little green army men and similar fare like those bags of little Cowboys & Indians that came in all sorts of bright colors.
Yeah, those were the best. My favorites were probably the ones with the dinosaurs and cavemen.
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>>283
>dinosaurs
Unfortunately, I was born too late for Kenner JP toys and was even too young for JPIII, however I got two lame human-dinosaur packs which I own to this very day (pics aren't mine). 

I liked them quite a lot as kid, though even back then the raptor' weird mouth baffled and annoyed me.
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>>286
I remember getting a blue raptor toy from the Dollar Tree or somewhere that I think was a tie-in to one of the later Jurassic Park movies. I can't even find a picture of it.
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Does anyone else remember "Skannerz"? I used to run around stores with these all of the time with some friends.
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>>293
I had the one on the right, I don't remember much about it though, I think I hardly used it. I also had one of these (still got it somewhere), I remember it seeming weird and being pretty much useless.
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>>296
I vaugely remember those. I had something kind of like that at one point. I'll have to look for it and post if I can find it. Can't remember the brand name now. But I do remember other kids at school having the one in the picture here the "Cybiko".

As far as the Skannerz, you scanned UPC codes in stores or on items you had at home and it would give you specific items/weapons, run into battle with monsters, and sometimes even monsters to add to your collection. Also upgrades, evolutions, etc. It was kind of in a weird way like a generic crossover between Pokemon, Digimon, Tamagotchi, and other toys of that nature at the time. I wish I still had mine. I had all three but ended up keeping the Red one while giving the other two to friends so we all three could play around with them together. Now it wouldn't be the same without friends and the fact that you would be seen as weird being a 30 year old man running around with a electronic toy scanning barcodes in stores. But eh, I'd probably still do it if I found one in my possession again after all of these years.
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Did anyone else in here have any "Dragon Flyz"?
I had this exact one. I believe I still have the figure somewhere.
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Here's some random shit I remember having or remember being crazes. Still got all my gel pens buried in a drawer.

>>325
I didn't have any but my cousins did, as well as Sky Dancers. I ended up playing with a lot of girly toys in the 90s/early 00s thanks to my female cousin and sister.
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>>293
Pretty sure I used to have a Digimon version of those, I remember having alot fun just scanning stuff around the house.
>>327
I used to have Pogs and remember getting one or two Crazy Bones from some fast-food place. I hardly ever see people bringing up Crazy Bones.
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>>330
I don't think I've ever seen Crazy Bones mentioned, it took me a while to even remember what they were called, they just suddenly popped into my head when I was thinking back to when I was a kid. I don't think I actually had any, but I remember other kids bringing them into school and showing them off.
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>>327
My sibling own few Mighty Max including the ones in your pic. I remember how I used to gaze at them with admiration and now to think those were made before 3D sculpting/ printing it's amazing. What a shame Bluebird (the company that produced MM and Poly Pocket) got bought by Mattel.   

>Still got all my gel pens buried in a drawer
I got some leftovers from elementary-middle school.

>I ended up playing with a lot of girly toys in the 90s/early 00s thanks to my female cousin and sister
Neat, can you elaborate? 
t. femanon
>>332
I remember watching Biker Mice Mars, but I didn't got any and I don't think I ever encountered those at the store. 

Their toys don't look bad for their time and what a nice usage of chrome , something so rare these days.
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Anybody remember the Gold Rush train set?

It was a Western-themed train set that was around in the 90's and you could buy it at K-Mart and Walmart as well as dedicated toy stores like KB Toys and Toys R Us.

They even brought it back for a little while in the mid-2000's or so. I had it when I was a kid back in the day.
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I've been thinking about the different army men I used to play with and was wondering if there was a resource that identifies all the different lines of them. Does anyone know of such a thing? I'm specifically interested in the cheapo ones that were popular in the '90s, rather than the more detailed ones that were put out by companies like Airfix and Marx.
>>357
I don't remember one of that size, but I remember getting a tiny train set as a present at one point.
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>>358
I love army men myself, and I'd wager that Thor Trains would be a good place to start (assuming the site is still up, the owner died in late 2018) 

Most of the cheapo army men from the 90's and early 2000's were mostly clones of Airfix figures from the 1970's and early 1980's, the most common ones being clones of the Vietnam War troops that were produced by Tim Mee and Airfix in the 70's.

Since army men aren't copyright or trademarked, a lot of smaller companies simply cloned the designs of companies like Airfix and Marx when the older went out of business and a lot of assets like molds became available.

Tim Mee was another company that went under but then came back, producing relatively higher quality figures that can be bought online. Most are revivals of their older figures, but they are also making new ones as well.
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>>361
Thanks for all the information. I knew the cheap ones were knockoffs of what those companies were putting out, but I had no idea that there was nothing preventing the originals from being completely ripped off. I figured the knockoff versions at least changed things here and there.
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>>363
As a follow-up to this, I ended up tracking down most of the army men I had as a kid. These ones on the left were the ones that were able to elude me the longest. It turns out they were knockoffs of these Airfix paratroopers on the right. The difference in detail is like night and day. I think I still prefer the look of the cheap ripoffs, and not necessarily just because of nostalgia. Something about them just looks cooler to me. The officer wearing the helmet instead of the beret is one of the few things I can put my finger on.

If the Thor Trains guy is dead, then that's pretty sad. The world is going to be a far worse place when all the "nerds" left are just dweebs who mindlessly instead of actual hobbyists.
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No love for Bionicles in this thread? I have tons of them. My favorite years were 2001-2004. It was still good after that and I still bought the toys but it was never as same and as comfy as the era where all we knew about was the island of Mata Nui. I have all of the old books and all of the comics from 2003 onwards, with some in better shape than others. 

I used to fuck around with Bionicles almost everyday for years.
>>391
I had one but never could get into it. Not only did I prefer playing with many smaller toys at a larger scale, but the mechanical look of them turned me off.
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>>391
I had all six of the original set, and I made the two larger ones you could make out of them (pic related). Had them like that on my shelf for about 5 years, I think they're in the attic now though.
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>>394
I remember how big Bionicle was and everyone had it. Even I had two sets (pic related), but tbh I preferred the also dead, Mega Bloks competing line, Neo Shifters. 
The lighting and turning into a ball gimmicks were neat and were more interesting than what Bionicle had to offer.
Sadly the bigger figure' rubber have been torn, not long after I got it which was immense disappointment. As for the smaller set, I love it to death back then... 

>>393
> but the mechanical look of them turned me off
In hindsight and from adult collector prescriptive , it was very ugly toyline.
Anyone here remembers bayblades? They were all over the fucking place in my country back in the early 00s.
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>>511
Yup, I had one. They were popular at my elementary school.
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>>515
Like anything else at school, they got banned after a while. The battles were fun occasionally. It was also fun shooting the ones with the exposed metal rings at the chain link fences to try and get them to spark.
>>511
I got a good KO back in the day, I don't think I've kept it and I can't remember how it looked like. 

Last time I visited a toy store before the quarantine , I saw a mother buying her son bayblade.  Some franchises just keep coming and go...

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>>223 (OP) 
>The 2000's were arguably the last decade when children actually played with toys...

Is that actually true? I feel like toys are one of those things that aren't going anywhere no matter how much changes. At least not until we all plug ourselves into some AI-controlled matrix or whatever.

I used to collect action figures, especially the Marvel Legends line. Best toys on the market and they all came packaged with a classic comic. I can still remember the smell of that obnoxiously tough plastic they came in.
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>Is that actually true?
I think it is to some extent, children are less imaginative and focused due to growing up with the internet/smartphones/tablets. In addition, the action figure aisle keep getting smaller and more toys keep relying on gimmicks, most noticeably the unboxing BS that's made specifically for youtube points. 

>Best toys on the market and they all came packaged with a classic comic
ToyBiz was such a great toy company, even their more simple non-collector oriented toys were terrific. Ever since Hasbro got the Marvel license the toys went to shit.     
>I used to collect action figures, especially the Marvel Legends line.
Nice, what other action figures did you collect? Do you consider collecting again?
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>>357
Who had one of these?
>>369
It looks like the Thor Trains site is down now. Hopefully the Wayback Machine has it backed up.
I still have my old Magnetix toys. Did anyone else have these?
Apparently they were recalled because some stupid kids choked on them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetix
>>1274
Seems like a shorter version of this toy called Roger's Connection, they had it in the gifted classroom in elementary school and it was pretty fun to play with.
>>1274
I've never seen those before. I had K'Nex and some old Tinkertoys as a kid, but I never really got into either one. Those things look like I would have enjoyed them a bit more than the toys I had.
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>>1274
>>1279
Does anyone remember Construx? They were actually an 80s toy, maybe into the early 90s. I loved them as a kid. There were glow in the dark pieces as well.
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>>1280
Oh hell yes. I think they sold these well into the mid-90s, I know they were showing ads in 95-96 and I really wanted it, so my grandma got me a set for Christmas that year.

Was pretty cool, though I do remember the pieces being kinda fragile as some of them broke after a few months. Then again, I was a clumsy kid...
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>>1280
I did have a good amount of '80s toys as a kid due to having older siblings and buying stuff used, but I've never seen those.

My dream '80s toy back then was Dino-Riders, although I unfortunately I never came across any.
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Probably most anons here wouldn't find it interesting...but Bratz was definitely one of, if not the most iconic 2000's toyline! So anyway, MGA are now releasing Repros of the original dolls, they're almost completely identical with the biggest difference being new screenings for the faces. 

P.S. Reposting for the third time OP pic.  

>>1274
My older brother has one small set.
>because some stupid kids choked on them
It's always American children...


>>1280
>There were glow in the dark pieces as well
cool. 


>>1283
>I did have a good amount of '80s toys as a kid due to having older siblings and buying stuff used
I'm jealous, I do have older siblings but we weren't that wealthy back then and also my older siblings were less spoiled than me and my brother. I did got Lego and some Barbie clothes in poor shape, apparently we also had some some Zoids knockoff I think, but it was completely ruined and only one piece left. My older brother has some G1 TF, mostly Micromasters and G.I. Joe. 

>My dream '80s toy back then was Dino-Riders, although I unfortunately I never came across any
Playmobil has a new theme called Dino Rise and it's pretty much like a modern Dino Riders, maybe you will like it. I don't see Mattel bring them back any time soon now that they have the Jurassic Park/World license and if they, they most likely be awful like their NuPully Pocket.
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>>1312
>I'm jealous, I do have older siblings but we weren't that wealthy back then and also my older siblings were less spoiled than me and my brother. I did got Lego and some Barbie clothes in poor shape, apparently we also had some some Zoids knockoff I think, but it was completely ruined and only one piece left. My older brother has some G1 TF, mostly Micromasters and G.I. Joe. 
I remember having a big tank toy for putting army men in, a whipless Beast Man from Masters of the Universe (which I didn't know about at the time), and a bunch of medieval-themed Legos with a nice red case. It looked like pic related, although I don't know that I had any of the pieces pictures. It gradually became a mishmash as the newer Lego stuff continued to be mixed in with it. I still don't know what ever happened to that case.

On top of that, I also got a bunch of M.U.S.C.L.E. figurines that I wish I could find.

I bet there were others I had, but those are the ones that come to mind. It was nice having a brother who was so much older than me.
>Playmobil has a new theme called Dino Rise and it's pretty much like a modern Dino Riders, maybe you will like it. I don't see Mattel bring them back any time soon now that they have the Jurassic Park/World license and if they, they most likely be awful like their NuPully Pocket.
I'm not interested in toys anymore (well, other than ones that have sentimental value to me), but I did see that Mattel is bringing them back in a different form:
https://bleedingcool.com/collectibles/dino-riders-mattel-entertainment-earth-exclusive/
I think I would have enjoyed them as a kid, although not anywhere near as much as the originals if I had been able to find some. I was always hoping to find some at a garage sale. My mom actually picked up a tape of the first episode of the cartoon at one, and that was how I found out about them in the first place. Tyco put ads for their toys in their videos in a way similar to TV commercials just to hammer home the fact that there was a toy line.

The whole thing is up on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lor_uUkJkkw
The military Super Blocks at 9:20 I always thought looked neat too.
>>332
>3rd image
Holy shit, I had that Pokeball toy as a kid but lost it almost 20 years ago after my family moved. I could never remember what it was called.
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>>394
Sweet childhood memories. I remember the Bionicle game being the first game that me and my brother played.
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>>1283
Darn, what a picture. It has pretty much everything.
DInos were so cool in the 90's, and I dig them to this day.
>>1638
Yea, first and second generations of Bionicles were quite awesome. Funny, I've just saw several weeks ago a trailer for some fanmade Bionicle game where all designs are actually first gen. Hopefully it will come through all the copyrights and whatever else... and will be decent enough to play through.
I had a bunch of Star Wars toys from the time around AOTC and Revenge of the Sith, I still have a handful of clone troopers left. Also had a bunch of toys from the PJ King Kong movies, an ass load of army guys-which I still have, a bunch of the old school civil war soldiers, lots of animals and dinosaurs too.
>>3974
Ever thought of making dioramas?
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>>3974
>I had a bunch of Star Wars toys from the time around AOTC and Revenge of the Sith, I still have a handful of clone troopers left.
When I was a kid, I had plenty of Star Wars figures that my older brother had collected. Most of the ones in this picture look familiar to me.
>an ass load of army guys-which I still have, a bunch of the old school civil war soldiers, lots of animals and dinosaurs too.
Those are probably the kinds of toys I'm most fond of in retrospect. Whether they were modern military figures, dinosaurs and cavemen, aliens and spacemen, knights, or cowboys and Indians, I liked all that kind of stuff. Quality didn't even matter much to me. I remember there being Civil War soldiers at my grandpa's house when I was a kid and finding them really interesting because I hadn't seen them elsewhere at that point. When I got a bit older and started using the Internet more, I remember eying up all the options for sale. When I was 9 or 10, I was even willing to pony up my valuable allowance money that could have put toward a game on some copper-colored doughboy figures. I couldn't wait for them to show up in the mail.
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>>3974
I had the big stormtrooper APC set that unfolded into the Battle of Kashyyk from Episode III. Problem was it never folded back up right and wouldn't snap shut.
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>>3974
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>>3989
I was too young for the prequel hype, but I did got two toys; Padme, being my first female action figure ever and the battle droid. I still own them and Padme is one of my more cherished childhood toy, even if she's by today standards outdated 5 PoA. I used to play that her viewer machine (not sure how it was called in the movie) was a controller for the battle droid.
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If anyone interested talking about toys in general, there's a new /toy/ thread on smug - https://smuglo.li/tg/res/66759.html
I hope this post won't be seen as a spam and it's alright with everyone.
>>4083
i hope one day they make action figures out of me
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>>4101
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>>4083
>I was too young for the prequel hype
I didn't have much interest in any of them when they came out, but I remember how huge the Episode I push was. I recall going to the mall and seeing images of Anakin's face in his podracing helmet all over the place. I didn't even know what movie it was for at first. Later on, I remember telling my parents out of the blue that I didn't think I liked that new Star Wars movie. I'd never expressed any interest in it in the first place, but having it pushed in my face everywhere killed any I might have developed. Maybe that was the birth of my contrarianism.

Later on, I ended up seeing the movies after they came out on video but never felt like I missed anything. And even though I like the original trilogy well enough, even those ones I'm not really that into compared to most people.
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>>4104
episode I is one of those movies that's somehow worse every time you go back to watch it. i used to say that the podracing and darth maul make up for it, but for the rest of the movie it really is a whole lot of fucking nothing happening
episode II also had a same problem, a whole lot of nothing and anakin being a sperg with padme. the last half hour or so is just a huge CGI shitfest, and the count dooku fight is underwhelming.
episode III is the best film in the entire star wars franchise and nothing you say or do will ever change my mind,
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>>369
>thor train guy is dead
damn rip, your right so many nerds for all there love of whatever product or media don't actually analyze said product/media  that much. peak commodity fetishism

>>391
I had a yellow Rakshi as a kid kinda sap I lost it would've made an excellent decoration/desk knickknack. Especially with the way bionicles can be posed I could have that shit up onna bookcase like a gargoyle
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>>4104
In contrary to popular opinions, I honestly think that in general the PT is much better than the OT for the following reasons: 1. It has politics like any proper Space Opera should have, I'm dumbfounded how so many OT fags are actually complaining about it, yes, it's boring for kids, but Space Operas aren't meant for five-year-olds 2. PT is extremely unique in the sense that it is a commercial trilogy where the bad guys win without being subverting expectations or edgy deconstruction, it's so awesome! 3. It has better action than OT and even the OT fags admit it. 

I first saw the first OT movie and PT when I was adult. 
I found New Hope to be a very boring and dull movie; the premise of a farmer becoming a knight to save the princess from the evil empire is infantile and quite banal, the pacing is slow, the acting is pretty bad like Hamill always look shocked and amazed with his stupid mouth open all the time and Carrie Fisher asking for help with barely any emotion, the guy that played C-3PO was the only good actor in that film. Yes, the visuals and SFX were cool, maybe if it was the first thing I saw as five-year-old, I would also think it the coolest thing ever. It's really disappointing to see how most people just get attached to the first thing they saw, rather than develop a taste through time. 
As for the PT, while it's not perfect by any means, it's really great and fun and quintessential 2000's media. When I first watched I felt like I was completing a missing piece from my childhood. I bet people who born in the late 70's-early 80's feel the same about the OT.  

Overall, I quite like the PT and the Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars cartoon, but it's nowhere near on the top list of my all-time favorite franchises and I think the SW craze is not by much different than say of Harry Potter, it's just people obsessing over the first mediocre thing they witnessed as a kid. I won't lie though, I really want more good adult collector PT toys which shows that I do care enough about it, but not obsessed over it like my top favorite franchises. 


>>4107
>episode I
It's a fun movie; the pod racing, the beginning of Palpatine' political shenanigans, the dual as you mentioned and dare I say, I genuinely like Jar Jar (not on pic related level), he is silly kid friendly character with nice character design.   

>episode II  
It was indeed the least good movie of PT and had many cringe moments. 

>episode III is the best film in the entire Star Wars franchise and nothing you say or do will ever change my mind
Truly


>>4101
There was a short lived selfie service that Hasbro offered. you can discuss it on the the /toy/ general.
>>4109
>pic
Fuck me I'd forgotten about that.
>>4109
I always fucked with how the PT was basically just the weimar republic in space. When I saw ppl complain about too much political discussion I felt the opposite I would've totally watched 90 minutes of the Trade federation and Naboo going back and forth about sanctions and tariffs. atp I should probably just get into hard scifi instead of expecting to hear the palpatine's tax policy was.
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>>4107
>episode I is one of those movies that's somehow worse every time you go back to watch it. i used to say that the podracing and darth maul make up for it, but for the rest of the movie it really is a whole lot of fucking nothing happening
I like the pleasant Naboo scenery, but that's really about it.
>episode III is the best film in the entire star wars franchise and nothing you say or do will ever change my mind,
Even if it's more competently made, it's probably my least favorite of the prequel trilogy for whatever reason.
>>4108
>damn rip, your right so many nerds for all there love of whatever product or media don't actually analyze said product/media  that much. peak commodity fetishism
Yeah, I appreciated the way he shared the love and knowledge he had for his hobbies. Especially because I've always had a soft spot for that stuff. His site was really informative, and now it's gone.
>>4109
>1. It has politics like any proper Space Opera should have, I'm dumbfounded how so many OT fags are actually complaining about it, yes, it's boring for kids, but Space Operas aren't meant for five-year-olds
Space opera isn't necessarily deep. George Lucas originally wanted to make a Flash Gordon movie, and Flash Gordon might be the single biggest influence on the Star Wars style of plot. Flash Gordon is considered a space opera setting and yet was all about action and adventure plots and constant cliffhanger endings. There was really nothing in the way of thematic depth to it. It was all about adventure in exotic settings and the appealing presentation.

Incidentally, one of the things I don't like about The Empire Strikes Back is that it tries to move away from that kind of simplicity. Being "deep" or "dark" isn't the appeal of Star Wars. And maybe it's just me, but I never understood how attached people got to the characters either. I like the relationships between Han Solo and Chewbacca and C-3PO and R2-D2, but Leia or Luke? I don't care about the trials and tribulations Luke had to go through in embracing his destiny, but I do get what they going for. I think there could have been better ways to add depth to his character without having him screwing around with Yoda on Dagobah. Also, the shocking twist that might have been a big deal when the movie came out doesn't help the movie upon further viewings.

>Overall, I quite like the PT and the Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars cartoon, but it's nowhere near on the top list of my all-time favorite franchises and I think the SW craze is not by much different than say of Harry Potter, it's just people obsessing over the first mediocre thing they witnessed as a kid. I won't lie though, I really want more good adult collector PT toys which shows that I do care enough about it, but not obsessed over it like my top favorite franchises. 
I feel the same way about the old Star Wars movies. I mainly like A New Hope and Ewoks: The Battle for Endor. They're just fun stand-alone movies to me. I do like the other parts of the original trilogy, but I don't really consider them necessary and definitely don't think The Empires Strikes Back is as great as everyone says. I do think A New Hope is possibly the all-time greatest movie in its style; I think there's a kind of magic to it. However, I can think of other movies I like more. The visual aesthetics and worldbuilding also don't interest me in the least. I've always strongly preferred Dune and old Warhammer 40,000 in that department. Besides those two, I've also strongly preferred the style of pre-WWII imaginative fiction since I first got into it. I've read plenty of Edgar Rice Burroughs and even have the hardcover reprints of all of Alex Raymond's Flash Gordon comics (as well as a crap-quality DVD box set of the cheesy serials). H.P. Lovecraft's stories too, but that's clearly not the same kind of thing.

I really do hate the nerd obsession with Star Wars. There's so much more out there that people could be looking into, but they seem to be satisfied with whatever the media shoves in their faces without having the curiosity to look any further.
>3. It has better action than OT and even the OT fags admit it. 
In terms of aspects like fight choreography, yeah. I think the problem is that people don't feel any emotional investment in what's happening onscreen.

Also, your pic reminded me of a Taco Bell Jar Jar Binks toy I remember having. I don't really remember it other than that I think you could get it to stick out its tongue, and I remember that detail being interesting to me as a kid for whatever reason.
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>>4113
I didn't know Flash Gordon was considered Space Opera! I guess you learn new things everyday...  
>George Lucas originally wanted to make a Flash Gordon movie
That I knew.

>Dune 
I only read the first book, it was great, indeed easily superior to SW 
>old Warhammer 40,000 in that department
I keep hearing about it, but I'm not really into tg, I do want to get into, but not necessarily into 40K which from what I heard of, is very expensive hobby.
>plenty of Edgar Rice Burroughs 
I should read the continuations of Princess of Mars, I enjoyed it a lot more than Tarzan. 
>even have the hardcover reprints of all of Alex Raymond's Flash Gordon comics
Cool! I have hardcover Kamandi, but it's kinda shit, with modern solid color printing and the pages that supposed to combine, don't combine...sigh. I also own the cheap copyright-free prints of old Plastic Man (including Police Comics) scans, I hope one day it will get good quality edited reprint, but I don't think DC would let it happen, though thank goodness they don't own OG Plas comics. I also thought of getting Spacehawk paperback, but it's quite expensive as it was printed more than a decade ago and as I continue reading it, I see it went from fun ugly aliens to boring WWII propaganda. 
>as well as a crap-quality DVD box set of the cheesy serials
I have Batman Beyond dvd, two copies. I should get some more dvds, the new blue ray releases of old cel cartoons are just awful, they completely remove the grain and change color tones and whatnot.     

>Taco Bell Jar Jar Binks toy
I found a pic of it. 
>that detail being interesting to me as a kid for whatever reason
As a kid there something very mesmerizing and magical about toy gimmicks. I remember the 90's-2000's having missile launcher as the dominant gimmick and honestly, it's a great gimmick, I really wish it was used more often today. Of course, it wasn't the only one, there was great variety of gimmicks back then, toys really had great fun factor and they were great quality, unlike today' toys.
 
P.S. pic related are toys owned by my brother and me, we still have them (though the pics aren't ours and we don't have MIB).
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>>4109
Star Wars is a samurai movie, not a space opera.
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>>4126
>I only read the first book, it was great, indeed easily superior to SW 
I have the entire original series, but it gets pretty wacky after the first three or four books or so. I think those first couple of sequels are worth reading, but I recall Dune Messiah being the kind of book that gets better as it goes along. God Emperor of Dune is one I didn't think was that great but was also more interesting than the ones afterwards.
>I keep hearing about it, but I'm not really into tg, I do want to get into, but not necessarily into 40K which from what I heard of, is very expensive hobby.
I'm not into the actual tabletop aspect either. I'm more into the artwork. I do like Dawn of War though. The first time I ever heard of Warhammer 40,000 was an ad for Final Liberation, which I never played. I thought the art was really cool though.
>I should read the continuations of Princess of Mars, I enjoyed it a lot more than Tarzan. 
Yeah, outside of Tarzan at the Earth's Core I've only read Tarzan the Terrible. The whole Tarzan setting doesn't have much of a draw for me most of the time. Tarzan the Terrible was right up my alley, unlike what I know of the other books, since I love those kinds of lost world stories with dinosaurs and ape men. I read all the Pellucidar and Caspak books, and this was similar to those in terms of the setting.

As far as the Barsoom books go, I only read the first three. At some point I should probably read the rest. It's not like Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote time-intensive doorstoppers or anything. I was mainly aiming to get a good sampling of his work, and what I read gave me just that. His stories aren't really good for binging on either, since you start to notice the repeating story elements cropping up over and over across different books. I think the last thing I read from him was The Moon Maid, which I was unfortunately let down by. At some point I should give the Venus novels a shot maybe.
>I also thought of getting Spacehawk paperback, but it's quite expensive as it was printed more than a decade ago 
Somehow I never knew about Spacehawk. I've probably heard the name before, and I know I've heard of Basil Wolverton before, but it seems to have passed me by. I always took the Spaceman Spiff bits from Calvin and Hobbes to be a general parody of works in that vein, but Spacehawk seems to be way closer to the kind of thing Bill Watterson was spoofing than something like Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers. If I had more space for books, I'd consider getting a collection of those comics. I actually don't buy comic collections very often just for how much space they take up. Other than the Flash Gordon books, I have a book of Little Nemo strips and some horror manga books. I'm done buying them for now, although I like the fantasy of living in a big old mansion where I could build a private library room.
>and as I continue reading it, I see it went from fun ugly aliens to boring WWII propaganda. 
That happened with Flash Gordon too. Flash came back to Earth during WWII and helped fight Axis stand-ins. I can't say I have fond memories of that storyline or anything
>I have Batman Beyond dvd, two copies. I should get some more dvds, the new blue ray releases of old cel cartoons are just awful, they completely remove the grain and change color tones and whatnot.     
I go for 4K and HD releases whenever possible, but I've heard about that. I read the Fleischer Superman cartoons got completely butchered. That's the kind of thing I might have been interested in getting too. I'm not a proper superhero guy, but I have a soft spot for the those cartoons I watched as a kid (and the hand-me-down comics I got to read). The Superman cartoons aren't something I could see myself watching all that much, but I popped in the DVD that my family has had for a long time and it looked pretty bad on a large 4K TV. The botched Blu-ray situation is really sad considering how good the animation is in those cartoons.

I've held on to my Flash Gordon DVDs just because there's no better options out there yet, although they still look pretty bad. I've just looked it up, and apparently there's talk of restoration work being done now though. It would be nice to get an upgrade.
>I found a pic of it. 
Maybe it's because it's been so long, but I remember it looking more impressive. I think I thought there would be more texture on the tongue or something.
>As a kid there something very mesmerizing and magical about toy gimmicks. I remember the 90's-2000's having missile launcher as the dominant gimmick and honestly, it's a great gimmick, I really wish it was used more often today. Of course, it wasn't the only one, there was great variety of gimmicks back then, toys really had great fun factor and they were great quality, unlike today' toys.
I feel like today's kids have it pretty rough as far as toys are concerned.
>P.S. pic related are toys owned by my brother and me, we still have them (though the pics aren't ours and we don't have MIB).
I think me and my brother might have had that Hulk 2099 figure. I remember the physique, splayed claws, and long green hair. I also remember watching the Action Man TV show, but I don't think I would have been into the action figures at all. I probably would have considered it too close to Max Steel, which was more of a punchline to me as a kid than anything.
>>4128
Star Wars drew from The Hidden Fortress, but took inspiration from all kinds of other places too. It's not a samurai movie.
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>>4129
>Dawn of War 
>Tarzan the Terrible
Cool, I'll look into these. 

>The botched Blu-ray situation is really sad considering how good the animation is in those cartoons.
Indeed, I think it's really up to fans to fix them or keeping and spreading the old DVD copies. The reason, I got BB DVD in the first place, is because I couldn't find good copy to download...one day I'll upload my rip on anon files or something. 

>I feel like today's kids have it pretty rough as far as toys are concerned
Both the media and toy companies act as if the 8-year-old plus demographic doesn't exist anymore. There aren't any new action cartoons and actual playline toys get poor and cheap treatment because the toy companies excuse themselves by saying "kids are only into video games anyway". There are few exceptions like the 4" Fortnite, Heroes of Goo-Jit-Zu and the toyline for the Super Mario movie, but that's pretty much it. Also, boy toys rely heavily on media tie-ins and there just isn't any new ones or good reboots. Toy companies just chose to lazily pander to Gen Xers and foolishly put all their effort into ever-decreasing demographic, I just saw today that Street Sharks get new "reboot" which is essentially the vintage toys with modern articulation, like MOTU Origins, and I bet like Origins it will quickly drop some of the gimmicks and become Mattel Creations exclusive because "cool factor" alone isn't enough for kids and they have no reason to be interested in 30 years old and over IPs we liked as kids which were new to us back then. We really need some new IPs, the whole recycled reboots becoming really tiresome.         

>Hulk 2099 
It was really cool how in the late 90's-early 2000's they made reboots which set in dark cyberpunk future, instead of lazily Current Year™ them like today. I'm not sure though if that approach would work today, it seems that Sci-Fi genre really lost its popularity; in addition to almost everything in the West being lazy reboot, you don't see any new popular Sci-Fi anime and manga, Fantasy has become the dominant genre. I think the reason for it, is that we live in that so-called future many writers and artists speculated about for years, we don't have space travel, robots or even genetic modification yet, it's just lame AI, we live in the dullest dystopia in which hordes of immigrants come to lower the cost of salaries and replace the native people who are used to higher standards of living and freedom, all this while using social media and other lame technology as means of bread and circus and being watched by the government. No, it's not even cool and epic like 1984 or Fahrenheit 451, it's just boring and suck.
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>>4129
>I also remember watching the Action Man TV show, but I don't think I would have been into the action figures at all. I probably would have considered it too close to Max Steel, which was more of a punchline to me as a kid than anything
Oh, I almost forgot to reply to this. 
I also watched the cartoon, but I cared more about the toys. As 90's kid who grew up near the end of toy commercial cartoons era, I didn't have the direct connection between liking character and wanting a toy of it; like I was happy when a character I liked got a toy like Rogue from X-Men, but it wasn't something that I would think about until I got older.
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>>4128
On that note
Really though it is a space opera. It started as an attempt to make a new Flash Gordon movie before it was spun into a different direction and became its own thing.
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>>4137
>Cool, I'll look into these. 
I'm more of a Company of Heroes guy for that kind of gameplay, but Dawn of War can definitely be a good intro to the Warhammer 40,000 setting. In the base game you can play as the Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Orks, and Eldar, and the expansions add plenty more sides like the Imperial Guard and Sisters of Battle. As far as that universe goes, it's only the factions that feel retrofuturistic that I find interesting. The more lasers and run-of-the-mill modern sci-fi influences, the less appealing the whole thing gets to me. The Tau are an example of a faction that I have no interest in whatsoever and just seem out of place to me.

I'm not even knowledgeable about Warhammer 40,000 or anything, but I think the franchise had already peaked aesthetically by the time Dawn of War came around. Nowadays it just comes across as a soulless husk of what it used to be with all the edges filed down. In the old days, the presentation felt more rough and infinitely more likeable.

As far as Tarzan the Terrible is concerned, you might find this page from this Edgar Rice Burroughs fansite informative:
https://www.erbzine.com/mag4/0494.html
I came across this site a long time ago before I started reading any of the books.
>Indeed, I think it's really up to fans to fix them or keeping and spreading the old DVD copies. The reason, I got BB DVD in the first place, is because I couldn't find good copy to download...one day I'll upload my rip on anon files or something. 
Anonfiles has unfortunately been shut down. I know what you mean though. I try to seed torrents of things I'm interested in for as long as I can when I don't see many seeders available.
>Both the media and toy companies act as if the 8-year-old plus demographic doesn't exist anymore. There aren't any new action cartoons and actual playline toys get poor and cheap treatment because the toy companies excuse themselves by saying "kids are only into video games anyway". There are few exceptions like the 4" Fortnite, Heroes of Goo-Jit-Zu and the toyline for the Super Mario movie, but that's pretty much it. Also, boy toys rely heavily on media tie-ins and there just isn't any new ones or good reboots. Toy companies just chose to lazily pander to Gen Xers and foolishly put all their effort into ever-decreasing demographic, I just saw today that Street Sharks get new "reboot" which is essentially the vintage toys with modern articulation, like MOTU Origins, and I bet like Origins it will quickly drop some of the gimmicks and become Mattel Creations exclusive because "cool factor" alone isn't enough for kids and they have no reason to be interested in 30 years old and over IPs we liked as kids which were new to us back then. We really need some new IPs, the whole recycled reboots becoming really tiresome.
I've seen middle-aged guys who have their work offices decorated with Funko Pops and action figures, and that whole level of consumerism is just pathetic to me. One I've seen had wall-to-wall Star Wars junk in it, including from the sequel movies. It's all enthusiastic materialism from manchildren without any kind of discernment to go along with it. You'd think people who are passionate about something would develop stronger preferences than just liking something for having the right name attached to it.

The whole idea of tying in toys to pop culture franchises seems completely unnecessary to me in the first place. Looking back to when I was a kid, I didn't feel the need for toys to have any relation to shows or movies I liked. As much as I loved action figures, they really just had to look cool to me. I had no knowledge of the background behind that Hulk figure I mentioned, for example. I imagine I just saw it in the toy store and liked the look of it. I had a lot of toys like that, whether they were from stores or ones I found at garage sales. I preferred my generic medieval Lego pieces to the Rock Raiders line too. And then I liked pretty much any kind of plastic miniature toy set. On the other hand, it's not like it necessarily hurts anything either. I watched the 1994 Spider-Man cartoon all the time and seem to recall having a Man-Spider action figure I really liked (I thought the character was cooler than the actual Spider-Man). And I liked my Star Wars figures. But if I went back to being a kid, I'd prefer more "public domain" themes for toys than ones based around specific media properties. It feels more easy to be imaginative with them.
>It was really cool how in the late 90's-early 2000's they made reboots which set in dark cyberpunk future, instead of lazily Current Year™ them like today. I'm not sure though if that approach would work today, it seems that Sci-Fi genre really lost its popularity; in addition to almost everything in the West being lazy reboot, you don't see any new popular Sci-Fi anime and manga, Fantasy has become the dominant genre. I think the reason for it, is that we live in that so-called future many writers and artists speculated about for years, we don't have space travel, robots or even genetic modification yet, it's just lame AI, we live in the dullest dystopia in which hordes of immigrants come to lower the cost of salaries and replace the native people who are used to higher standards of living and freedom, all this while using social media and other lame technology as means of bread and circus and being watched by the government. No, it's not even cool and epic like 1984 or Fahrenheit 451, it's just boring and suck.
People also seem to be afraid of being considered "edgy" nowadays. That used to be more of a neutral term than anything, but nowadays you usually hear it being used to insult people for having tastes and opinions that aren't in line with the mainstream consensus.
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>>4147
>As far as Tarzan the Terrible is concerned, you might find this page from this Edgar Rice Burroughs fansite informative
Cool, thanks! I love old websites, they're so comfy and personal.  
>Anonfiles has unfortunately been shut down
That's sucks, I never even got to use it, I only visited it once. 
>Funko Pops
Any toyfag that respects himself, despise those soulless things. 
>You'd think people who are passionate about something would develop stronger preferences than just liking something for having the right name attached to it
At some point you come to the realization that most people aren't that smart or just simple beings, they have no intention finding cons (by analyzing) in things they like.   
>The whole idea of tying in toys to pop culture franchises seems completely unnecessary to me in the first place
I agree as well, but it seems that toys for older boys must have some story attached to them and it usually has been done in the form of cartoons since the 80's.
>But if I went back to being a kid, I'd prefer more "public domain" themes for toys than ones based around specific media properties
Interesting, I should've been clearer and more used the word franchises. Personally, I'm very anti IP laws. I just like good designs, if they happen to be of character I like, then that's great too, but I always judge toy based on itself. I didn't really know better as a kid so I got very ugly Rogue action figure, she broke quickly and since I find her ugly now, I have no plan of getting her again though I loved her as a kid. 
>People also seem to be afraid of being considered "edgy" nowadays
Not really, there is still lots of violent and vulgar media for adults. Kids shows, however, outside of shoving degeneracy, are very safe and toned down. Like Batman Beyond (though I think it should be for young teens and it's inappropriate for kids) and Power Puff Girls had a bit of blood, I mean there were a lot more action cartoons and they were intense. 
>hear it being used to insult people for having tastes and opinions that aren't in line with the mainstream consensus
It's very annoying that edgy became political term as well. 

P.S. Sorry anon for the late reply, it's been very fun to have back and forth discussion with you, I hope you enjoyed it as well.
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>>4184
>Any toyfag that respects himself, despise those soulless things. 
Yup, there's no real purpose to them. It's not like they're the least bit aesthetically appealing or anything. They're just a tar pit of hyperconsumerism designed to swallow up people with more money than taste and continually part them from their cash.
>At some point you come to the realization that most people aren't that smart or just simple beings, they have no intention finding cons (by analyzing) in things they like.   
Sad but true.
>Not really, there is still lots of violent and vulgar media for adults. Kids shows, however, outside of shoving degeneracy, are very safe and toned down. Like Batman Beyond (though I think it should be for young teens and it's inappropriate for kids) and Power Puff Girls had a bit of blood, I mean there were a lot more action cartoons and they were intense.
I'm talking about how sincere "edginess" is the subject of mockery nowadays. You can have "edginess" (to an extent, at least; there's quite a lot of Reddit-approved safe "edginess" out there), but it often involves a tongue-in-cheek or self-conscious aspect instead of just being played straight. There's so much fear of sincerity in our culture today. Think of what happened to weeaboos. They got made fun of so much for their embarrassing lack of self-awareness that nowadays they affect an air of irony when it comes to their interest in Japanese cartoons and comics. It's not that people in the 2020s are any more self-aware, but they definitely come across to me as being a lot more self-conscious.
>It's very annoying that edgy became political term as well. 
Yeah, it's often used by people who want to try and police the thoughts and opinions of others they seem to think are stepping out of line. Maybe I'm imagining things, but to me it seems like it's at least partially driven by fear and insecurity. It's as if they think the  "edgy" person might make them start questioning their ideas and influence them toward doing some uncomfortable introspection.
>P.S. Sorry anon for the late reply, it's been very fun to have back and forth discussion with you, I hope you enjoyed it as well.
Yeah, I've been enjoying it too.

Also, here's the art that was used for the Final Liberation ad I mentioned before.
>>4185
Was the monster armor ever part of any X-Men plots, or was it just a gimmick to sell toys?

I've just started watching Spider-Man: The Animated Series as background viewing for guitar practice and plan on going through X-Men and Batman eventually too with how much fun I've been having with the nostalgia trip so far. I never got to see those other shows from that period as much as Spider-Man but still watched them when I could.
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>I'm talking about how sincere "edginess" is the subject of mockery nowadays
Maybe you right, I think Game of Thrones was the last edgy media that truly took itself seriously. Now all deconstructions have ironic flare to them. 
>There's so much fear of sincerity in our culture today
I believe it has to do with the thought police changing its opinions very often and quickly. 
>think of what happened to weeaboos. They got made fun of so much for their embarrassing lack of self-awareness that nowadays they affect an air of irony when it comes to their interest in Japanese cartoons and comics. It's not that people in the 2020s are any more self-aware, but they definitely come across to me as being a lot more self-conscious.
Those are fake weebs seeking acceptance from their liberal overlords for liking non-pc media. 

>Was the monster armor ever part of any X-Men plots, or was it just a gimmick to sell toys?
From what I've checked, it's a gimmick. I usually hate the non-canon variants for superhero toys even if it's done for toyetic sake, it's just so forced, irrelevant and dumb. This gimmick is pretty nice though X-Men getting extra mutated or in Batman Beyond terms, spliced, range from cool to dumb. I mean if they can get extra mutated and reverse it, then they could probably reverse their original mutation. Tragically, the most canonically toyetic superhero, Plastic Man, barely get any toys which absolutely sucks. 

>I've just started watching Spider-Man: The Animated Series
Neat! I need to rewatch it too, I loved that show as a kid! I wonder if I would I still like it or find it dumb as an adult. I did began reading the original comic and quite enjoyed it so I imagine, I would like the show too. 

>X-Men
I started rewatching a bit, both the 90's and Evolution cartoons and it really pains to me saying it, but X-Men is quite retarded. It truly feels heretic hating on X-Men which is quintessential 90's media piece, but it's so lame and stupid, I'm not even talking about the drama which is quite cringey like Jean, Wolverine and Cyclops are in their 20's and more and act like dumb teenagers, I'm talking about how X-Men characters  that have these OP powers like Storm and such and you don't see corporations and governments trying to abduct and recruit them, no, no, it's just the citizens fearing them and some random idiots forcing them to build something, imagine capturing Storm to build something instead of ,for example, using her power to cause famine in enemy country! Evolution is better than the 90's cartoon in the sense being less stupid with less drama, but at the same time, some of the characters aren't as likeable either and are still very childish though they have an excuse and the plot just isn't as exciting as the 90's one. So, both shows have their own cons. I do think that Kirby's early X-Men is far better, having no OP characters like Storm besides Magneto whose old, evil and tough and Dr. Xavier whose powers aren't known to the public which makes sense why corps and the government wouldn't try getting them on their side. And also, it didn't take itself as seriously with the xenophobia allegory and is wacky in a good way because of it. Maybe the actual Claremont comic is better than the cartoons and actually good, but I doubt it. 

>Batman
BTAS is objectively one the greatest cartoons of all time, you would definitely enjoy rewatching it. TNBA is kinda meh, especially in compare to BTAS. BB's season 1 is sheer perfection, but with the addition of Max in season 2 it's pretty much all down the hill at that point, there are still some decent and great episodes, but there's huge drop in quality (except for Shriek episodes, each one is excellent). If you want to, I can tell you which episodes to skip. 

I would also highly recommend to watch Superman Animated series, it's the best DCAU series, if you consider the fact, it has only one single bad episode! Justice League has terrific writing too, but the animation is no longer great or even good at that point. As for Justice League Unlimited, avoid at all costs, both the writing and the animation are awful and full of retcons, Batwank, shitting on Superman and raping BB. 

Back to topic, in terms of toylines for those TV shows, I'd say BTAS had an amazing toyline, the sculpt was pretty accurate for its time and look very similar to the cartoon. Yes, the forced Batman variants are dumb, but some the vehicles variants were quite fun despite the silliness like the Batsphere. The Batplane is pretty neat too and quite close to the Batwing design for the show, but still suffers from stupidity and inaccuracy in attempt to make it more toyetic, which is understandable, but also quite a shame as the original design is so cool, it seems they were afraid of making non-colorful toys.   

Looks like X-men had no official toyline for the cartoon, the toys were quite bad in terms of sculpt, but had slightly better articulation than the kenner ones. The Spiderman ones were huge improvement, although still not quite accurate to the source material. My Brother has Tombstone, which is really cool toy and has nice chrome accessories he comes with. I enjoyed playing with it as a kid, the punching gimmick is fun too.

As for BB, it has the worst toyline out of all the DCAU cartoons and in general one of the worst toylines ever made. Hasbro unfortunately acquired Kenner and so the quality took huge nosedive. Instead of making new sculpts similar to the animated cartoon like Kenner did for BTAS and TNBA, they reused the realistic bodies from the Batman&Robin movie and gave it new heads. The line is so pathetic, the only other characters besides Batman (Terry) are Blight and some Joker gang members, no sign of the Batwing, no other villains or any supporting characters, just endless ugly repaints of that terrible Batman mold and stupid random non-canon trash.
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>Neat! I need to rewatch it too, I loved that show as a kid! I wonder if I would I still like it or find it dumb as an adult. I did began reading the original comic and quite enjoyed it so I imagine, I would like the show too. 
So far I've liked it despite the animation not holding up very well. With how regularly I watched the show when it was part of the Fox Kids lineup, it's definitely a trip down memory lane. I've heard there's a drop in quality after the first season, but I'm not to that point yet.
>I started rewatching a bit, both the 90's and Evolution cartoons and it really pains to me saying it, but X-Men is quite retarded. It truly feels heretic hating on X-Men which is quintessential 90's media piece, but it's so lame and stupid, I'm not even talking about the drama which is quite cringey like Jean, Wolverine and Cyclops are in their 20's and more and act like dumb teenagers, I'm talking about how X-Men characters  that have these OP powers like Storm and such and you don't see corporations and governments trying to abduct and recruit them, no, no, it's just the citizens fearing them and some random idiots forcing them to build something, imagine capturing Storm to build something instead of ,for example, using her power to cause famine in enemy country! Evolution is better than the 90's cartoon in the sense being less stupid with less drama, but at the same time, some of the characters aren't as likeable either and are still very childish though they have an excuse and the plot just isn't as exciting as the 90's one. So, both shows have their own cons. I do think that Kirby's early X-Men is far better, having no OP characters like Storm besides Magneto whose old, evil and tough and Dr. Xavier whose powers aren't known to the public which makes sense why corps and the government wouldn't try getting them on their side. And also, it didn't take itself as seriously with the xenophobia allegory and is wacky in a good way because of it. Maybe the actual Claremont comic is better than the cartoons and actually good, but I doubt it. 
It sucks if X-Men: The Animated Series doesn't hold up. I had a tape of Enter Magneto as a kid and remember watching it quite a bit. I also had X-Men 2 for the Sega Genesis at one point and thought that was fun. I don't think I ever read any of the comics or anything, at least back then.
>I would also highly recommend to watch Superman Animated series, it's the best DCAU series,
I was considering watching it. I had a few of those activity center programs that were popular when I was a kid, and I think I had the Superman one (I remember having a Batman one too). I feel like I saw the show around that time, but I'm not really sure. I didn't have cable or anything and don't remember if it aired on any channel I usually had access to.
>Justice League has terrific writing too, but the animation is no longer great or even good at that point.
I remember watching Justice League, but that and Teen Titans were the last of those superhero shows I watched growing up and don't have the same kind of nostalgic appeal for me. Personally, I think Cartoon Network had lost its appeal by the end of the Powerhouse era.
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>after the first prototypes were made
And speaking of, here they are! We got pics of Starscream and Cheetor. I believe Starscream was going to include electronics and as you can see, some of his joints were even going to be made of clear plastic. I'm pretty sure it would eventually degrade like a lot of clear plastic toys, but it does looks cool. Cheetor's pics include the steps for his transformation. Sadly, it's unfinished and we never got a look at his robot mode.
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I wonder if the movie designs would've been as polarizing if these had come out first
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Cool anon! It's always interesting to see cancelled toys/toy prototypes. 

I really dig Cheetor, he looks like really fun and awesome toy. 

>if this counts
It does, since it was meant to release in 2000's and you can just see the cool sleek 2000's futurism. 
 
>I wonder if the movie designs would've been as polarizing if these had come out first
Yes, since the movie designs are typical ugly grey greebled CGIshit of *2010's. The designs you post are so much cooler, smooth, sleek, colorful and have defined shapes that don't look like random scrap metal. 

*Yes the first movie was released in '07, but is still closer both in spirit and time to the 2010's.
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