/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General

Manjaro is an odd choice for game development. Come to think of it, what's the point of Manjaro?

>>1824
>Manjaro is an odd choice for game development.
On the contrary, Arch's rolling-release is more likely to have the latest for Linux Game Dev.
>Come to think of it, what's the point of Manjaro?
A)  It's not ((( M$ ))) shart
B)  Just Werks packaging of Arch

>>1825
Why is rolling release better for you? I'd imagine it would get in the way more in the case of developing games. My packages would always break eventually but if I neglected pacman then it'd be fine... poor practice, I know, but better for me than to admit I installed TinkerOS.
>It's not (((   M$   ))) shart
Neither is OpenBSD (nobody uses it). There are a million *NIX distributions knocking about, 95% of them without a reason to exist and draining away development from better-established and -supported software. The last time I saw Manjaro, it had that goofy "app store" for Flatpak etc. and seemed pretty keen on users relying on it for their software. My thought: at that point, why even use Arch-based?
>Just Werks packaging of Arch
Are you sure? Vanilla Arch and Artix were orders of magnitude more stable and usable than Manjaro when I tried them. To date, Manjaro has been the only one to give me a kernel panic.

>>1827
>To date, Manjaro has been the only one to give me a kernel panic.
Skill issue? I don't know. I've been using it as a daily driver since ~2018, never had a single crash.

>>1825
Then why not just use Arch?

>>1829
Fair enough; why not, please do. Knock yourself out, Anon.  :)

>>1830
I already do use pacman and arch repos for my LFS distro.

>>1831
Yeah, I really like pacman official + aur

>>1823 (OP) 
>Ryzen 5950x (16c/32t)
>128GB ram (4x32)
>4+2TB nvme ssd
>gentoo + awesome WM
It's usually ok as long as I don't have to recompile chromium again

>>1833
Be careful with SSDs anon. If you leave your computer off for a year the electrons leak out and cause memory loss. On older/worn SSDs this duration is as short as three months.

>>1834
I make backups every few weeks to a HDD, then clone it to a second external HDD (which is normally not connected to any computer).
External backups are what I should have, but they're so fucken expensive, and if you stop paying them, they'll delete your data too.

>>1833
>>1835
Can you vouch for your SSD and HDD brands? I have two 512 GB SSDs from ADATA whose SMART health was damaged just from running dd two or three times (or maybe it was Sleep being broken forcing me to cut the PSU several times). Meanwhile my 2 TB HDD from Western Digital is pretty good except for the fact that it makes a nauseating sound similar to a powerdrill every time it parks.

>>1828
This is what I really find most intolerable about the Linux experience in general: even in 2025, people using the exact same distribution on equally modern hardware have such radically different experiences that they might as well not even both be running Linux. Almost everyone I've spoken to about Manjaro has complained about it and called it an unstable mess. Yet it's a resort vacation for you. This makes troubleshooting (especially as a beginner) a nightmare and a battle of attrition: who will give in first, my resolve to never use Windows again, or the gorillions of fanboys giving "works on my machine" answers to forum and IRC questions?

>>1831
I can't think of a polite way to phrase this so I'll just ask and hope you don't take it the wrong way: this is /agdg/, do you LFS and Gentoo people ever actually accomplish anything, or is it just a hobby like trainsets?

>>1837
>SSD and HDD
Kingston can be also pretty meh (I have 2 sata SSDs, both crawled down to a snails pace after a few years of usage).
Samsung looks better, my old ~9 years old laptop with 5 years of SSD uptime and ~92TB of data written still works. No problems with the nvme drives either, but they're much newer.
On the other hand, if you still have a samsung HDD, backup everything from it immediately. All the HDDs that failed for me were Samsung. Fortunately they no longer manufacture HDDs...

>or is it just a hobby like trainsets?
Not really a hobby, more like I find any other distro (or OS) insufferable. The same thing I feel like any other WM less customizable than awesome is unusable.

>>1842
if you aren't already on it you should give Windows LTSC a try, either 10 or 11 is fine
I use linux for personal projects but some things will inevitably require windows and LTSC versions are the least annoying to use and less likely to change for the worse
I would stay away from fedora since they make you beta test every single new thing like forced wayland on KDE even if your gpu doesn't supporr it properly
mint is alright for now, it's pretty much a better version of ubuntu but I personally wouldn't rely on a fork of a fork of a distribution (debian)
by 2030 the experience for new users on certain specific distros and desktop environment will definitely be better
>computer that cost $2000 to build
at that price you probably got the (relatively) greatest and latest for that time, if you were on mint (or any fork of debian) your kernel and drivers would have been too old to be reliable, while on fedora you would have gpu specific issues based on your gpu choice and desktop environment
arch would always work since it pulls every single package from upstream and it's quite braindead to use but for a machine that you want to rely on I think it's a retarded idea so I just stick to debian and backport and compile a few  things that I know I need up to date versions of

>>1843
>at that price you probably got the (relatively) greatest and latest for that time, if you were on mint (or any fork of debian) your kernel and drivers would have been too old to be reliable
Not quite. The computer was almost two years old by the time I got around to seriously trying Linux.

>>1840
Not really, but the alternative is to get brain tumor from the retardery all other linux distros force on you and wish you'd born 500 years ago and went to become a hermit at an obscure location where you don't have to meet any human being for the rest of your life.
Alpine comes as the second best usable distro if you don't need any fancy things like having a graphical desktop or using closed-source packages (where you can't recompile it with musl), but obviously not too useful if you want to game devel.

>>1845
>the retardery all other linux distros force on you
Can you give an example? The whole point of Linux is that nothing is forced on you. There is no shot that just installing a random preconfigured distribution and removing everything you don't like is more work than using LFS.

>>1845
>fancy things
>graphical desktop
>libc
you're autistic alright
alpine is useful when you're deploying hundreds or thousands of vms so the savings you get compared to debian actually matter, not for any of your autistic ocd

>>1841
>>1842
Peak dunning-kruger. Imagine being so inept with computers that you have to make shit up about how anon's choice of base software must be bad and anon is retarded for using it.

Honestly once you read LFS or even just gentoo wiki you understand how almost all distros are pretty much just base+extra software packs and it's just better to pick one that you know you need and will use rather than distrohopping looking for a saner preset.

>>1846
Systemd, wayland, pukeaudio, glibc breaking all chromium based apps (electron, nwjs, etc) with unconditional clone3 usage, chromium being so jewgle niggery that you need 10k lines of patches on top of ungoogled-chromium to get something that's remotely usable, sony not being able to write a kernel driver for their own hardware, kde developers removing a feature when you report a bug to them, gdb still printing octal escapes in string in 2025 and only way to fix is to patch gdb, etc.
>>1848
I have a VPS having mail, http server, ruby and python webapps, VPN, git hosting, and the whole system is not using a gigabyte of disk space (user data is more, but that's beside the point), which is like the space requirements of the most barebones debian install possible. So it matters even if you don't have thousands of VMs.
Of course, on your own computer where a gigabyte of disk space don't cost a fortune, it's pointless.

>>1849
Dunning-Kruger would be if I claimed to be an expert. I didn't, because I'm not, but I'm not a complete moron either. I'm an ordinary computer user trying to keep an open mind and adapt to a better desktop experience. If you think I am so stupid that I can't follow simple installation instructions or follow forum threads, how do you suppose I ended up on this website?
Using a command line doesn't require more than 70 IQ, but it doesn't matter. I do everything by the books to the letter, and yet what miraculously works for almost everyone else just falls to pieces. I've even had experienced Linux users supervise me installing Linux to make sure I do everything right, and it still comes out with dozens of random unfixable bugs with 2 or 3 mentions on the forums.

>>1852
I don't believe you. Your experience is definitely not impossible but linux is just a kernel and gnu utils are programs so simple that they are guaranteed to work everywhere.
It sounds like either you had incompatible hardware or made life harder for self by ignoring non-free software.

>>1852
Believing you're not stupid is also dunning-kruger.

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>>1851
Are you literally dumb? None of that is forced or even required. (You) being too dumb to look for alternative distros or grabbing arch's base-devel and then installing only what you want is not a linux issue.

>>1851
>VPS having mail
Do you really? How are you able to use it without getting blackholelisted?

>>1851
Look, I'm sure you have a good point in there somewhere, but all I really took away was that Chromium and KDE suck. What's new?

>>1853
I don't see what I would have to gain out of lying about this. I use non-free software when it makes sense and I more or less don't have a problem with it on Linux. It's usually very basic things like sleep, audio control, foreign language input, system clock, and even the password which break for me no matter what I do. As for incompatible hardware, I'm not sure, maybe. I'd expect that such a cursed motherboard(?) would give me trouble no matter what system I use, but I've never had hardware-related problems on Windows 10 or 11.

>>1854
Right. What's the point of your insight? It wouldn't matter if I was stupid because any literate English speaker could follow Linux install and troubleshoot procedures no matter how dim-witted they were.

>>1857
>system clock
Anon, if this is broken then your problems are probably hardware.

>>1855
Yeah, also there are things like artix, but that only solves a subset of problem. Many of the problems I mentioned can only really be solved by patching the software, and gentoo it's usually as easy as putting the patch file into /etc/portage/patches and rebuilding the package, and it will continue to work with new versions too (until the patch breaks). With binary distros you have to jump through 1000s hoops to get your package rebuilt with an extra patch, and of course you have to repeat it with every new version.

>>1857
>Chromium and KDE suck. What's new?
Not just them, but the whole Linux thing, down to the glibc/kernel level.
>sleep, audio control, foreign language input
Yup, they usually suck on linux. IME is a specially broken piece of shit on linux. Also forgot to add hibernation and nvidia cards.

>>1858
Also note that by default linux assumes hw clock is set to UTC while windows assumes it's set to local time, which can cause problems if you try to dual boot.

>>1858
My clock has never been less than perfect on Windows running on the exact same hardware. At first I thought it was just the UTC offset thing like >>1859 mentioned, but if I use the system for long enough it starts acting up and even stops ticking.

>>1859
I loved Artix, it was by far my best experience with Linux but the same stuff was broken. I'm reinstalling it as we speak, I changed my mind, I just cannot accept going back to Microsoft after everything. I'll buy a Mac before I use Windows as a daily driver again.
Though... more meaningless, time-wasting nonsense, it hangs on boot. I jumped back in with a live USB and it appears that it "got confused" halfway through the hands-off part of the installation process, because it split one disk's worth of data onto two disks even though I didn't use any multi-drive options. Incredible.

Is it just me or are new GPUs just absolutely giant fucking units?

>>1893
They are, I actually have to intentionally break the clip on my motherboard's PCIe slot to take my RX 6700 XT out because it's fully occluded by the GPU housing. Even my 4060, which the geniuses at PNY made comparatively quite petite, makes the clip unreachable without the extra-long screwdriver that came with my CPU cooler, and then I have to be very careful not to slip and scrape the traces on the motherboard.

>>1894
> I have to be very careful not to slip and scrape the traces on the motherboard.

Wow that's fucking awful to do.
Probably because it would happen to me.

>>1895
What does the inside of your computer look like? Mine's full-size everything but still so cramped that once everything's installed, it's a puzzle to take any one component out. I guess I got the wrong model of motherboard...?

>AMD Ryzen 7 2700
>MSI B450M PRO-VDH
>4x8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4
>MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB
>512GB Samsung PM951 NVMe SSD
>500GB Samsung 850 EVO SATA SSD
>8TB Seagate Barracuda SATA HDD
>Devuan Daedalus 5 (Debian Buster 12)
p much no problems, all the problems i've had are as a result of debian with its old packages and not devuan without systemd
overall i'm happy

For Heaven's sake if any of you are about to build/upgrade a computer, do NOT get two of a kind storage devices.