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Was TTGL the last iconic anime? I'm not talking flavor of the season with normalfags but the substantial memetic legacy and influence. I can't really think of anything after. Ironically it came out in 2007, the year after which literally every medium idiosyncratically went to shit.
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>>63589
>>63580 (OP) 
haha yeah, that's me everytime I see brown 2D genki grills. How did you know? ;<)
>substantial memetic legacy
When you put it like that, I guess.
It's hard to see whether an anime will have substantial memetic legacy if it was only released within the last few years, even more so if it's still ongoing.
Jojo for example is iconic with a substantial memetic legacy and is still ongoing and has substantial influence of course. 
Konosuba might end up as one, but that one is too recent to call and has some things preventing it from being iconic per se or having substantial influence.
>>63599
>Jojo
Even if the anime came out in 2012, the source material is decades older, and has already had a legacy in Japan long before it exploded in the West. Same with Berserk.
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>>63599
Jojo was already iconic decades before it got an anime adaptation. Well, there were OVAs when it was still fairly new, but it spawned a lot of early 00s internet memes, and was widely known in weeb circles long before the internet became accessible to every retard on the planet.
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>>63603
Manga memes aren't necessarily the same as the anime memes, like the memes that came from the OST's use of Giorno's piano theme for example, or Battle Tendency's To Be Continued meme.
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>>63607
That's not even mentioning that most early Jojo memes (at least in the west) actually came from Heritage for the Future
>>63599
>>63607
Jojo anime is the definition of flavor of the season with normalfags. It's popular because it's ongoing and it already had all the memes that convinced normalfags it was "based" and they must say they like it.
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Would Kemono Friends count?
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>>63622
who
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Madoka Magica, is a 2011 Japanese anime television series.

Don't know about memes, but boorus were flooded with it for a while. How lasting is it? I'm not sure, I don't see neither gurren lagann nor madoka very often. All I've seen last year is one artists thread, one furfaggotry thread, manga and anime rec thread, news thread. No memes here, nope.
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remember gar?
remember マミった?
remember best dad?
>>63629
GAR
>>63627
Its ripple effects are still seen in random areas like hololive/vtubers where a majority of them are requested to sing Sorairo Days, the opening to ttgl. Same goes for a lot of the jojo openings.
>>63614
Its difficult to call it a flavor of the season when its been getting memes since it was released. Joseph Joestar's "Nice" came out in like 2015 or 2014 which was around 6-7 years ago now.
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QJ_VoASQUUM
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>>63629
>Remember gar?
How could I forget?
>>63633
>Its difficult to call it a flavor of the season when its been getting memes since it was released
Not really. How is it relevant when it started airing if it's still airing? It has literal seasons and each of those is a flavor of the season. Normalfags only like it because the manga already had a big presence on cuckchan with the whole manime thing, and memes like Duwang.
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>>63633
Don't give (you)s to the saging faggot please
>>63635
>It has literal seasons and each of those is a flavor of the season.
Thats what I'm saying, that the seasons that aired 6 years ago are still getting memes despite it being that long ago. Plus, Golden Wind came out in 2018 but was still getting memes. I'm not accounting for the current season, but that doesn't seem to affect it.
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>>63637
Flavor of the season implies its a fad, when its consistently popular you just say that it's popular you retard, not some "flavor of every season" bullshit meant to deride its popularity with a term used to refer in shorthand, to fads (and on imageboards, a derogatory term)
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I know I'm going to get shat on for saying this, but Darling in the Franxx. It was like five or six years ago and that chick with the horns still shows up in memes constantly.
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>>63637
It's still getting shitty normalfag "memes" because it's still an ongoing series, how hard is this to comprehend?
>>63662
That's not what flavor of the season means you dumb fuck.
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Regarding JoJo anime, if it's a fad or not, let's say that after Part 7, Studio David won't do Part 8, and for decades there won't be any more JoJo anime. For how many years, after the Part 7 anime, do normalfags have to keep referencing the anime, and use anime inspired memes, for it to not be a fad, but an "iconic anime"? One year? Two years? Five years? If after ten years, after the last animated joJo, there are still memes being created from the show, would it then be considered iconic? I am asking this, just so that we can have a better understanding between a flavor of the month that has been going on for almost a decade, because of new releases every two years, and something truly iconic?

>>63669
I don't think it truly counts, when nobody really cares about the show itself, or recommend re-watching it. with Gurren Laggan, you could always have a re-watch and enjoy it, even if you know everything that is going to happen, but can you say the same thing with Darling in the Franxx? If a normalfag were to be encountered, and wanted some anime recommendations, would anyone truly recommend him Franxx, instead of Gurren Laggan or JoJo?
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Since when "cultural relevance" or "memetic presence" has anything to do with quality? Ever heard of cheetaman? It's usually the other way, the worse something is, the more it is known. Look at the "netflix adaptation" meme.
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>>63675
>flavor of the month that has been going on for almost a decade
This doesn't make fucking sense you dumbass.
Its just popular then. When something has 10 seasons and they're all fucking popular, its not a flavor of the season every time. Its just popular.
>>63678
Being iconic isn't necessarily purely based on quality per se, its just whether its both unique and leaves a lasting impression based on that uniqueness. It can be quality and often is, but not necessarily always based on that criteria.
the memetic thing is something else entirely, that's just what OP chose to combine with "iconic".
>>63673
Then tell me what it means you fucking nigger. Flavor of the month/season literally implies a fad, because after that period of time, its pretty much off the radar and done with. It is a (popular) flavor for that period of time... which is essentially what a fad is.
>>63675
Jojo is already an iconic anime; the mere fact that it has an extremely unique artstyle (minus the Kenshiro copying at the start), presentation, and concept originally captured anons hearts enough to inspire a literal meme avalanche (that subsequently memed it into popularity to the point where the memes are self-aware that there are a lot of fucking memes  ("is that a jojo reference"))
Just because its popular now doesn't mean one can just shrug it off because they don't like the effects of what happened. 
Is it somehow less iconic because normalfags devalue everything they touch? That's just being (understandably) butthurt.
Part of the reason Jojo is popular is because of the memes themselves, and the memes started with imageboard users. Just because the ratio of quality memes is lowered because of normalfags flooding their own memes into the meme marketplace (kek) doesn't mean that is somehow magically not true anymore.
You're basically discounting the iconicity of Jojo purely because of the fact that its popular and ongoing, without considering that its iconic-ness (and the memes spawned from it) are a significant part of the reason why its still so fucking popular.
Does an anime have to either die or end to qualify? If anything, Jojo is an even more powerfully reinforced example by the reason that it is still alive, because all things considered, it is such a weird work.
The work is literally called "Jojo's Bizarre adventures" and there really is not many things like it at all.
>>63679
And as a result, it shouldn't be alive, but for its iconic-ness, which spawned memes, which spawned a growing community out of it, which eventually attracted normalfags once the community hit critical mass*

tl;dr Jojo was iconic to begin with, inspiring anons to meme it to popularity (and continued being alive); normalfags are just an unfortunate side effect of that.
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>>63679
Anons have a strange attitude of "giving" things to the normalfags and other undesirables when certain retarded conditions are met.
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>>63627
I strongly disagree that there's no memes for Madoka.
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>>63691
Because Anons are hipsters and “popular with normalfags” is just “too mainstream” in more words.
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>>63679
>>63680
That's a pretty solid summary.
>>63691
>>63698
Taking back Pepe actually worked for a little while, even if we quickly gave him to a chaos deity and were somehow shocked when said chaos deity eventually took away our memes and gave them to boomers and twitterfags.
BIG
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>2007, the year after which literally every medium idiosyncratically went to shit
I felt like japanese entertainment went to shit after 1997. There are still good works popping out occasionally.
>>63795
DRILL
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>>63851
>>63795
>dub
I really hope you fags are ironically mocking it
The dub was so insultingly bad; I'm not even a hardcore subsfag but the JP VAs were literally perfect
>>63865
What does dub has to do with anything?
Nobody watches dub, bud.
>>63865
It's probably a bait, but what do I care. I actually watched the dubbed version of gurren lagann, because this is the version flaming shark decided to pick, even if he's usually smarter than that. It was tolerable, until the second heroine Nia appeared in the middle of season one, and her voice just didn't match the intent of the character at all. That girl sounded way too squeaky, while I imagine in the original she sounded gentle but refined. I guess they couldn't find a single american voice actress that doesn't sound like a bull naturally.

tl;dr: gurren lagann dub was tolerable except for one big sin, so just listen with original voices.
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>>63865
what the fuck are you talking about
>>63865
1. Pretty sure they say giga drill breaker in the dub
2. Whenever you see a post that just says "BIG" it's most likely someone mocking a certain comedian's obsession with negroid phallus
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Why they use red letters to mock some black lover?
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>>63916
>spoonfeeding newfags
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>>63916
They say Giga Drill Break in the original dub, not Breaker
I assumed it was some other shit dub of it because I don't know what the fuck that was, and things get multiple dubs nowadays when a new company takes over the license 
>>63870
You are objectively wrong, I watched the first episode when I first checked it out just to see if it might be tolerable and it was complete dogshit.
I feel bad for anyone who thought that shitheap of a dub was good, I would call it completely intolerable and I could tell that by the first episode comparison, blind.
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>>63920
Who gives a shit there's like ten people who post here, he'll probably get bored and fuck off anyway. Probably still doesn't know what I'm talking about either.
>>63923
To be fair if he saw it in his early teens then it's pretty likely all he knew at that point was dubs. I know when I was in high school I watched dubs and then when I went back to check them out after getting into subs I couldn't stand them. It's partly a matter of exposure, English voice actors tend to be trash in general even for native English shows, and if that's all you know then you're probably not going to see it as a big deal or have the faintest idea how embarrassingly bad most of them are.
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>this is the last thing Gainax made
The absolute state
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>>64563
>Uru in Blue never ever
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>>64573
looks dope
>>63691
Hitting the nail on the head, it's so weird how with the passage of time something goes from being loved to being completely derided just because normalfags found out about it, nothing happened to the work itself, but the fact that normalfags like it now means we must hate it, it is pretty pathetic.
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>>64651
If normalfags like something you should rethink if you actually like it, likely you are a normalfag yourself.
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>>64651
It's called being an elitist retard and it's extremely prevalent on anime boards, cuck/a/ used to be absolutely dripping with the sentiment. People who think like that are also more concerned about social placement than enjoying the work itself, like this dumbass >>64653.
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>>64659
t.normalfag
go back
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>NOOOO FLAVOR OF THE SEASON IS MEGA BASED, UR JUST AN ELITIST
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See what I mean? His reaction is purely trying to social shame on a fuckin anonymous imageboard because thing popular. No talking about the work itself, people like this flip the fuck out if you don't kowtow and should be ignored, talk about what you please.
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>>64662
>posting this cancer
Back to cuckchan, newfags don't get to gatekeep
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>>64665
Believing both "We have to gatekeep things away from normalfags " and "if a normalfag can possibly like it, you shouldn't like it" does not make sense. Even ignoring how normalfag tastes shift over time, if the latter statement is true then there's no point in gatekeeping: you're just shielding normalfags from your potentially normalfag-friendly media. In that case, the ultimate strategy is-
Wait. Shit, people already do this.
The ultimate strategy would be effectively inverted gatekeeping. You would closely watch normalfags, watch for any signs of them liking something you do, then you'd immediately drop it and let them have it. If a man gave away his wife or girlfriend to other men the moment anyone glanced at her, he'd be called the biggest cuckold in the world, but somehow retards like >>64653 think this is alpha or "based" or some bullshit. I can't even call this elitist, because a real elite would either gatekeep his elite art successfully or influence culture downstream of him without losing his place in the hierarchy.
With a mentality like this, of course you'll lose ground. Losing will be part of your goal, a sort of never-ending purification. Your enemies will be your oracle, your guide, the means by which you purge and cleanse yourself. And at the very end, when normalfags have evolved to warp and enjoy everything you formerly enjoyed, you will look within yourself and see that you like nothing, that you are nothing and they are everything, and you will shrivel away out of existence and out of memory, forgotten, the man who gave everything away and became nothing.
>>64684
You just pointed out something that nobody will acknowledge, yet is present in so many anons mentalities
This kind of contradiction is literally a self-defeating one, and one of the explanations for why everything is so shit right now.
Contrarianism has become the culture, and contrarianism is literally a mindset that leads to destruction.
I don't know why you call what they do the "ultimate" strategy though.
The reason they do this though is an interesting one. The mere act of shitting on something almost acts to give anons something to lord themselves over, putting themselves above something. In this case, the only condition for shitting on something, regardless of its merit or value, is that normalfags like it, its like... I don't know.
Its fucking stupid for one thing, but its like, your opinion reinforcing your own opinion. It has literally nothing to do with the work anymore. You have jerked off the act of gatekeeping so much, that gatekeeping matters more than the fucking thing you're supposed to be gatekeeping.
Its like gatekeeping a fucking gate at this point, its honestly incredible
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>>64685
The last decade of imageboards in a nutshell
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>>64684
Sigma male tip #57371: Give your woman away to another man the moment he lays his eyes on her.
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>>64722
Fun, ain't it?
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>>63580 (OP) 
>Was TTGL the last iconic anime? 
WRONG!
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>>64825
Iconic, not cancer that ruined anime.
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>>64909
>Implying that TTGL and Trigger-shit hasn't contributed to that.
Enjoy your 10000001° series about over the top action and stale parodies. You ADHD ridden faggot will never seem to get tired of that crap.
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>>64915
Trigger is like over a decade removed from TTGL you dumb zoomer.
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>>64916
Most of the fundational Trigger staff worked on Gurren Lagan, so my point still stands. Or are you one of those retards who think that a company doesn't mold to the persons behind it?
TTGL and all Trigger-shit=shonen-shit to those who don't want to admit they like shonen-shit.
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>>64909
>CGDQT
>'Cancer'
I like both and i think you're a fucking faggot
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>>64918
Except TTGL wasn't trigger, it was Gainax
There is a clear difference with the impact Gainax had on the trigger team, each story trigger had on their own has been progressively more shit since then
Are you one of those retards that thinks people will remain the same for all eternity without any changes, especially in a culture that encourages people molding to the culture's ideology?
The trigger team under Gainax is completely different as people from the trigger team we see today.
>>64915
>over the top action and stale parodies
If that's all you got out of TTGL, I genuinely feel sorry for you.
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Why can't TTGL and K-On both be iconic?
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>>64921
Trigger has always had lousy storytellers at best, even if I give to you that the standards has been going even lower since then, that doesn't mean they were always good. The staff has changed yes, but the pillars of what caused the downfall of Trigger was put by the old guard (the ones who actually worked on TTGL, but the new Trigger still just copying that model but shittier).
And please. You believe the shonenshit-tier message of "believe in yourself" and "push-up beyond your limits" of TTGL is worth talking? As I learn for myself in other online discusiones, Trigger-fags are just shounen-tards who are just so deluded that they think that the basic shonen and mecha tropes that Trigger are "parodying" somehow are deep.
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>>63697
In-fact, one could argue they've come to a head.
>>64924
Maybe you are old and bitter and a simple don't give up message from a decade and a half old children's cartoon angers you because you gave up on any dreams you ever had since you first saw it.
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>>64924
>shonenshit
Are you that one fucking autist who keeps pushing this?
You are using the most simplistic, shorthand, buzzword-tier words to criticize without having to dig deeper into anything beyond the absolute surface. You might as well just be taking what  terms you can find off some shithole like TVTropes and rephrasing them for imageboard use.
TTGL is pretty much the most ambitious anime in history that actually succeeds at what it aims to do.
The idea of Spiral Power and its connection to humanity, the depth of Kamina as a character and his sheer difference from most other characters in the genre (to the point of baiting everyone to thinking he was the protagonist), along with Simon's own depth is incredible. Their relationship and actions are unlike anything in the genre. The arc Simon goes through after episode 8, everything with Nia in general, the messages and themes that are involved with each aspect and part of the world, such as the idea of freedom and individualism being pressed against authoritarianism, human nature and the truth of what the Anti-Spiral represents, the ganmen being a sort of "manifestation of the soul" and all that comes with it when you consider it in the context of the show, what a man's "drill" is, what "direction" you go in and how drastically the difference is when you change that direction (and the resistance you will encounter as a result), brotherhood, belief in one's self and belief in others (and most importantly, how a human needs those things, even when it seems they are incapable of doing so, then they need to believe in something stronger than themselves until they can believe on their own)
It tackles themes of religion, tradition, love, duty, children and passing the torch unto the next generation,  the weight of one's decisions, what it means to be a leader, what it means to decide for others, how humans behave, how rapidly humans can change (and not), who is humanity's greatest enemy, the power of one, the power of many, the power of of a bond, the power of a bond between many, who are each individually one against the opposite, despair, hope, ugliness, beauty, color, the meaning of one's existence, the effect of force vs choice, what the effect of a human heart is, the weight of a human, how your soul is yours and no one else's, a man's bond, humanity's legacy and its future (and how it applies to all of us), and so on.
The work is a Kierkegaardian masterpiece that smashes through so many lies that we encounter in our lives today, and I would posit that it is the greatest anime of all time.
On top of this, it is encased in a work that is absolutely compelling, fun, and moving, it does not discount the humanity and uniqueness of the characters, they are not just mere representations for the messages what the author wants to preach; they are their own characters as well, with their own decisions, thought processes, feelings, and inner beings that can't really be known by anyone so easily.
The depth that TTGL was made with cannot be discounted.
Mecha don't move the way they do in TTGL. TTGL was not parodying those things from other anime, it was giving them homage, while simultaneously imbuing them with a greater meaning than the works they came from, like the iconic arms crossed pose in TTGL.
That pose alone symbolizes many, many things.
Expectation, defiance, utter trust in one's friends, putting forth the force of yourself out to the world, and so on. 
There is literally too much for me to discuss. I have watched it many, many times and I find new things in it every time.
Don't insult it with your dogshit comparisons.

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>>64924
>>64928
Continuing:
Yes, Trigger is dogshit. Yes, it comes from mostly the same people, who I'm disappointed by.
Its a shame, but TTGL was basically lightning in a bottle. The people involved with it are all changed, I believe, and they have lost sight of every important message that was in TTGL and instead just accepted the changes in culture into them as if it was some kind of osmosis or something.
Its a shame what happened to them, but the work itself is a masterpiece.
I don't give a shit about trigger, but insulting TTGL is something I would expect from a nihilist or retard.
I hope you're just doing this out of tribalism that someone insulted your favorite work or something, because if not, you have definitely lost many important messages of TTGL and probably just went through it without thinking about a single thing.
You would be acting just like those shitters in the underground in episode 1, who didn't understand the meaning of Kamina's words
Be more like Simon, you know, the guy who conveniently has the name meaning "to listen", the boy, later them an, who took all of Kamina's words seriously, because he meant them seriously and believed them wholeheartedly. 
He wasn't over the top just because "wow let's make this a wacky, crazy, over-the-top show", he represents something far greater than that.
On the surface he might seem like something more typical, but if you fail to realize the differences, you are not someone who realized what was actually going on in the show.
Try rewatching it with new eyes and genuinely try believing what they're actually saying instead of being so damn cynical that you can say such things like "believing in yourself" as something almost worth mocking, in TTGL's case, its not something said without weight. They force you to see everything that comes with the meaning of those words.
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>>64929
boy who became a man*
>>64927
I will react more positive if I didn't know that this "positive" message (as if ignoring reality in order to do whatever idiocy you want wasn't one of the ideas that gave birth to transgenderism, race equality and other stupidities) is more propagated by hack authors copying messages of more ancient products without giving a new take on the idea or understanding of what made that product good.
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>>64929
Look, even with all that shit you had said I still don't like the show. Still, I have to give it to you that is the perhaps the best Trigger-esque show out there and probably still will. Im more jaded by the niggers who think this is the only way to do things in anime (same with manime faggots) that against the show itself. Still overrated in my opinion.
>>64931
>(as if ignoring reality in order to do whatever idiocy you want wasn't one of the ideas that gave birth to transgenderism, race equality and other stupidities)
You did watch it until the end, right?
Humanity has its responsibility to shoulder as well with the weight of its decisions and power, that was the anti-spirals message to the spirals.
Reckless progress forward can lead to self destruction, and even the destruction of all.
Humanity and humans are not God, and we shouldn't lose sight of that.
The first half of TTGL addresses a different side than the second half.
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>>64932
I only watched one time almost a decade ago, so i don't remember that much of it at all. But did they give an actual take on when "go beyond your limits" shit is good or bad? Because if not they would basically invalldate their own message. Still think is dumb though. That blind idealism so perfect in fiction in reality semestre only to lead to failed crusades at best and the justification of atrocities at worst. Pic semi-related about that.
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>>64935
Seems*
>>64931
And also:
I understand where you're coming from
You're free to like or dislike what you please, but make sure your own reasons are solid for doing so when the work has messages.
There are people who will copy shit all the time for it, but blaming TTGL because people copy something without realizing what made it good is foolishness.
In fact, that literal theme you're talking about gets addressed in TTGL itself, with the mass-produced, almost soulless Gulaparls (made to imitate Gurren Lagann) vs the trashed Ganmen by the arrogant Rossiu in the second arc. 
>>64935
The Anti-Spiral's message to the Gurren Brigade forced everyone to see the truth of reckless progression leading to the destruction of the entire galaxy, that reckless use of Spiral Power would cause this for an absolute fact.
There is also the fact of how humanity acted in the second arc, forgetting all that they had and destroying the shoulders of the giants they had stood on to reach the point they had
being shallow, shameless, enjoying the surface benefits of technology and progress while damning those who actually saved them all
They (the people) literally tore down the Kamina statue and sentenced Simon to death without caring about the truth, they believed everything they were doing was right without a second thought and made humanity's decisions for them without even fighting back.

It is not undermining their message to have that. It is a message of temperance, because it is easy to go far in any one direction, and that's what both sides represented. Stopping humanity for its own good (and undermining freedom) would lead to an existence like the anti-spirals, something unacceptable due to pretty much all aspects of a human being that make them unique being removed.
But destruction of everything is also unacceptable as well, obviously. There are no 2 ways about it like the Gurren Brigade was just "right" while the Anti-Spiral was "wrong".
The Anti-Spiral was not a "villain" in a sense like most others are, it was not some objective evil.
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>>64938
Oh, and also the Infinite Spiral Labyrinth that the Anti-Spiral used showed what the result of infinite possibilities means, including entire existences made of literal lies, even comforting and sweet lies, but lies all the same, that couldn't really be broken out of by normal means
There are anchors in place that saved the Gurren Brigade in that moment, Kamina's bond with Simon was more real than all the lies in said existence, and that was what allowed them to break free of that, telling a message in its own of one of the things that can save us when we end up in a shithole like that. Someone to punch us, punch the lies out of us is important; a lot of people who were ruined by these trannies and became them probably either didn't have someone like Kamina in their life, or worse, chose to believe the lies and ignore anyone who did love them in their life, but I digress.
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>>64939
All is fine but one thing tha has come out of my head about this last paragraph. Those trannies perhaps saw their grommers as their "Kamina". Same can be applied to the show with what you said: Charismatic figures of authority feeding their idiotic ideals to the masses as the only truth. How could fit in that context that the person you admire and shape to be like it could algo be the one feeding lies to you?
The "Great Man theory" has some base of truth on it, as also can ideas like the so overused now "Hero's Journey" be benefitial to the shaping of a culture. But those can also be easily perverted on harmful things as blind trust on figures of authority, doublethinking and be too attached to the ones that are harming you.
In conclusión, reality way too much of a bitch to be condensed in a few messages in any media
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>>64931
>don't give up on things = tranny enabling
Yep, old and bitter.
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>>64943
>seeing their groomers as Kamina
Well that's believing a lie then.
Kamina has objectively "good" traits, how one sees someone is not the same as that someone being great themselves.
Strong belief in a lie that ties directly to one's self, in this case, a liar who wants to use or change you to their whoms, causes self-destruction.
Kamina was not a liar, he was an earnest, kind, man who did not resort to violence against his fellow man (even when beaten and imprisoned himself) unless absolutely necessary, and serving a purpose. As Simon put it, he was big, strong and kind, and this was not a lie. He was also an excellent judge of character and has an acute sense of right and wrong.
Changing reality to fit your perceptions and desires is not the message of TTGL.
People are very much broken, one of the biggest problems in modern culture is people believing these lies.
Becoming a tranny is one of the most tragic, you see it in their suicides. They believe they'll be happy after they cut off their dick because some liars who wanted to use them told them to,and then they fall into despair when they realize what they've done (and often they're either abandoned or encouraged to go even further in ruining themselves).
Kamina was not meant to be an authority figure, he was Simon's big bro. He also did not control anyone, they all willingly joined.
Anything can be easily perverted, but usually that requires lies to be propagated, and people to believe them. One has to find the truth on one's own.
Its telling that the gurren brigade is actually an extreme minority of humanity, but even though they are just that, they represent some of what's greatest in humanity, and have the ability to change things beyond what would normally be possible.
However, that freedom is also dangerous.
There are times when reckless courage is absolutely necessary like in the first half (because everyone was living in fear and lacked belief; Kamina had to become something greater than himself to inspire everyone else, and especially Simon, to do great things. In a sense, he was larger than life), but other times when restraint is needed, like in the second half. Humanity has already become fat, slovenly, powerful, blinded by hubris, arrogance, and forgetting all that they had learned, or never learned to begin with.
Choosing to engage too greatly in comforts with your freedom is a dangerous thing that can blind you from the truth. It is an option to get lost in comfort, escape the world, and believe a lie., but that is a lie that will keep you bound until you die, and if the people who are supposed to save you believe that lie, everyone dies while the world burns.
>In conclusión, reality way too much of a bitch to be condensed in a few messages in any media
Yes, TTGL, while in my opinion is the best anime, is not a substitute for a belief system or framework.
You need to have fertile soil or a growing plant for works of value to take root in you.
A lot of people can watch TTGL, be moved by it, but then not take any of its messages to heart, or worse, their belief framework is so corrupted that they merely superficially like it and incorporate it into the false identity they have created.
For example, I saw some fag on twitter many years ago say they were part of the "Bi-gurren brigade" on their twitter username or something.
I feel pity for these people, TTGL (and works with meaning in general) is most valuable to those who have an understanding, or who are at least receptive to the core messages in the right way, is imo.
Without a good belief framework, you're just pouring water unto desert sand with works ike TTGL, imo.
>>64944
Way to ignore the point. Had you ever think that this message leads easily to "I want to be a woman even though im a man, but x media I like says i can be whatever I want, no matter the reality so it doesn't matter if im just a hormone addicted mess, im now a woman"
Don't try to stop a truck because your shonen-shit says it's posible only by doing push-ups and screaming a lot. Or better do it, we need less retards in this world.
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>TTGL is pretty much the most ambitious anime in
stopped reading there
>this message leads easily to "I want to be a woman even though im a man
stopped reading there
damn retards out in full force today
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>>64573
Thanks for the heads up anon, these designs are fucking amazing.
link for the full set:
https://exhentai.org/g/1204132/9aa1900e6e/
>>64948
At least these "retards" argument coherently instead of insulting like a 5 year old.
TTGL is not precisely my passion but at least the one who likes it argumented why, unlike you simpleton.
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>>64948
I know its fun to shit on things so you can feel "above it", but when its done for its own sake that leads to contrarianism, which eventually leads to the death of a topic-based imageboard because you're not even talking about anime anymore, you're just trying to pump up your own opinion of yourself by showing how many things you hate because they're beneath you. 
How this happened on an anonymous imageboard is beyond me.
Try talking about things you like.
I like TTGL, among other anime, what do you like, anon?
>>64946
I'm tired of reading walls of text that boil down to some faggot being mad at old shows because current year retards are being retarded. The moment I see some retarded leap in logic I stop reading and bitch for a few posts then stop and wonder why the fuck I bother with the internet at all anymore. Everything's a fuckin travesty to someone and they've all gotta write some gay thesis about it.
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>>64958
>Literally too lazy to read.
>Not understanding that media can shape people in different ways even if that´s not the authors intention
Get out and go back to your mudhut, nigger. You probably only wants to talk around the same 4 topics without bringing anything new to the table.
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>>64950
i'm not gonna spend minutes i could use to jack off or some shit "argumenting" against the king of idiot who, as evidenced by the level of his "argumented", would probably try to convince that shit like naruto "deals with pain and its effects on the bonds between people" because it has a character called pain in it going on monologues about pain
nor am i going to argue with some crushed beaten down faggot who's an inch away from sperging about anime turning you into a tranny
gonna jo now
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>>64960
Instead you spend your time hanging around on an anime-focused imageboard talking about how much time you saved by not talking about anime 
You already proved my point by bringing up some unrelated work you feel superior towards, and try to extrapolate your raw contrarianism to any kind of explanation that you don't like.
Nobody brought up Naruto but you have to let the world know you hate it, and since you hate it, you clearly must know what you're talking about when you deride TTGL.
Have you sincerely thought about what you're actually doing here? Did you get banned from Smug or something and just came here to try and act the same way you would've there?
If so, I feel for you because the way you're going leads to nothing but emptiness, even normalfags retards have their blissful ignorance, while you just have spiteful ignorance.
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>>64961
>>64959
Yeah yeah, your drill is the drill that will pierce the heavens is literally tranny pedo propaganda and I'm a dumbo dummy pants for not reading your lengthy breakdown of how you think some dumb cartoon about robot pilots not letting themselves get killed equates to becoming a sodomite. We fucking get it, god damn, I told you I'm not going to read this shit.
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>>64919
you're part of the problem and you need to go back
>>64987
>We
Get your head out of your ass,shut your mouth and let adults talk and never come back.
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>>64987
You still have yet to talk about any anime you actually like, anon.
Contrarianism is not a virtue, no matter how much you try to scoff at things like you're above them.
Again: why are you on this board to begin with? This is an anime-focused board.
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>>64992
man you really decided to take the coherent point made about contrarians itt and decided to run it into a brick wall huh?
jesus
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>>64993
I fail to see how. It applies completely.
The proof is literally in the pudding: there is still no answer. Only someone circlejerking himself to feel superior over a work to boost his own ego.

This is an anime and manga-focused imageboard. If you don't like talking about anime and manga, you should fuck off, plain and simple. If you only want to talk about how great your own opinion on things must be because you hate everything, you are an attention whore who has made their own opinion greater than the works being discussed. 

Once enough people do such a thing (because negativity implies understanding enough to criticize (even though any retard can say some basic element of anything is bad nowadays)), this eventually leads to destruction of all legitimate discussion, along with fear of praising anything good because you are not only going against the circlejerk, but if you're looked at as someone who likes something, that's an opportunity for someone else to pull you down and boost themselves up without having to make themselves and what they enjoy vulnerable. It just becomes a competition of who can hate everything the most, clearly whoever that person is  must be the smartest guy in the room after all, he must understand it enough to hate it even though everyone else loves it. 
It gets even worse if the reason for hating it is cultural (i.e. normalfags got to it), and can be used as justification for pretty much destroying the value of any work, while being unimpeachable as a defense because you wouldn't want to defend normalfag shit right? That would make you no better than a redditor after all. Ties into the gatekeeping discussion. 

This kind of thing just breeds eventual disaster, in case it isn't obvious, so no shit I'm going to mock faggots like that retard relentlessly because people like him will literally ruin the imageboard for anyone who actually fucking likes anime.
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>>64685
>>64722
>>64744
Personally, it's probably just because it's easier to write something off as a lost cause than struggle to hold out as a niche against against an avalanche. Normalfags are massed hordes who can influence the direction of bullshit through sheer shit-eating numbers and groupthink--the old guard is outnumbered, attempts at trying enforce ettiqutte are shouted down as exclusionary, a new way of doing things disseminates through sheer numbers, naive/greedy creators see this boom in popularity and start hoping to appeal to a larger audience, which leads to shit like ((( Netflix ))) taking a giant dump or garbage reboots, which the normalfags lap up to make the new status quo...

In the end, you give up. You leave it to the dogs because you're powerless to change the way things are going because you're too few in number to meaningfully do anything about it, and either give up on the future entirely by retreating into the better past (like those anons who use "backlog" as their catch-all excuse) and/or abandon all love for that series in hopes of filling the void with something else, which usually starts the cycle anew.

When you're a small (even smaller since 8ch died) group of anons who want to disengage from this shitty society to enjoy things in peace, avoidance is even more the de-facto course of action, because trying to fight against an endless horde who can displace you through sheer numbers is futile. Yet another side-effect of the internet becoming ((( accessible ))) and cocksuckers like Reddit killing niche websites in favor of a monolithic "community" held together by artificial niceness.

I hate it all. I hate them all. Not just the shiteaters, the idiots who sell their fucking souls to appeal to them and ruin what they once had. They're the ones I hate most.
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>>64996
yeah, this is part of it
people will scream and call you a blackpiller for rhetoric like this, but when you ask them what solution they have to a braindead horde which can influence creators far more effectively than you can, there's no answer
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>>64991
>>64992
I see the light, "believe in the me that believes in you" isn't just a dumb motivational phrase it clearly means "cut your dick off call yourself a woman and allow niggers to sodomize you", this is obviously the message Gaina  was trying to get across and not just mentally ill Americanism at work well over a decade later.
>>64996
>>64997
More fuckin wah, I bet none of you people actually loke chink cartoons and only ever used them as a tool to better huff your own farts to inflate your egos. If all ot took for you to throw your arms up and cry to the heavens was some normalniggers liking a thing you liked then all you are is a petty hipster.
>>65001
>being this buttblasted over being exposed
I guess the ban from Smug hasn't expired yet. Don't worry anon, I'm sure they'll take you back in once you figure out how to avoid upsetting the moderation, but typoes like "Gaina" is dangerous you know, at this rate people won't be able to figure out what you hate.
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>>65001
enjoy your tranny flags being stuffed in soo- oh wait, that's already started
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>>65001
>"believe in the me that believes in you" isn't just a dumb motivational phrase it clearly means "cut your dick off call yourself a woman and allow niggers to sodomize you"".
Actually yes, that simplistic shit and other crap like Francis Fukuyama "End of History" (basically the liberal version of teleological Marxism) has not only being one of the seeds of all this modern crap, but also one of the motives of the downfall of media storytelling. All because of hack authors straight up recycling eternally the same chessy crap and never looking more ahead of the same meme tropes and techinques.
Most of the authors giving today that messages probably doesn't realmente want to, they just don't know doing anything else.
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**Really
>>65004
why should anyone here give this a dignified response?
meds, obsessed defeatist faggot
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>>65006
If you think he's wrong you should show as much, since it's not really a shitpost or a post made in bad faith as you can see by his earlier posts, it's just someone who came to a different (but imo, incorrect) conclusion.
Looking at the mere act of replying with effort to something you disagree with as beneath you (assuming the person isn't some shitter) is a sign of someone who's pretty fucked.
If you're not interested in talking with him, don't talk with him in the first place. 
What does making this kind of post accomplish besides lowering discourse?
Just say your part and be done with it rather than devolve it into a shitflinging fight about. In my case, I was able to discuss an anime I actually liked despite disagreeing with him.
>>65002
>>65003
>>65004
>>65007
Boy I sure do love shoving cocks up my ass because a cartoon said something completely unrelated to sodomy.
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>>65007
Muh disssscoooooorssssuuuhhhhh all you're doing is making the same whiny statements over and over, only with more and more words tacked on to make your shitty gay simplistic point appear smarter than it actually is to imbeciles who think lotta word mean big big brain.
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>>65008
You sure act like you have one dick shoving up your ass, so perhaps I was right all along. Shonen-shit tropes=crypto faggotry like you right now.
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>>65007
i don't make detailed posts arguing with trannies about tranny science wherever i meet them. can you try to grasp why, and then extrapolate that to this situation instead of going on about "discourse" for the 10th time?
>>65010
yup, and moe turns people into autogynephiles, yada yada yada
fuck off faggot
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>>65013
Nah, actually moe is one of the most masculine genres around. Probably to mantain your jerk contrarian facade are now gonna sperg about how that is the actual faggotry-enabling stuff.
>>65009
>same statements 
No shit, one is forced to repeat oneself ofgen when dealing with retards.
I'm simply including an explanation with said statements for those who have above a room temperature IQ and can see the damage that retards like you cause.
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>>65015
Often*
>>65010
>NO! U R THE SODOMY
No really, take a step back and realize how fucking insane you have to be to watch a stupid cartoon about a big robot beating the shit out of other robots and aliens and somehow equate that with sissy hypno. Does Gundam make you want to stuff laser swords up your ass? What the fuck is wrong with you?
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>>65017
probably spent too much time on a political board
>>65017
It's not about the cartoon himself, you illiterate. It's aboutnthe general concept about a message so general and bland as this and other products, though not guilty themselves of that, can lead to. You probably think that the Red Ridding Hood is about not trusting talking wolves instead of strangers in general if you are so dense to understand how meaning can change depending of the spectator.
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>>65019
if you can get from "believe in the me that believes in you" to "i AM a woman" its your brain that's the problem
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>>65021
I like to study the mentally ill, it's by that twisted logic that they end up like that. Of course it is not good logic by any means. But they see it that way. If reality was as cuadriculate and perfect as those shows view it would gladfully not even a problem worth discusing. But again, reality is a bitch.
The solution to eliminate that type of shit creating it in mass is not destroying the message alltogether, but recontextualizing it so those of weak will don't fall on such fallacies and shortcomings, also so those ancient tropes can be interesting and exciting again in some way.
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>watch Gurren Lagann when I was a teenager
>it spoke to me on another level after seeing it everything became clear to me
>now years later I am a woman (m) with a bf (f(m))
>every night he(they/them) dresses up in a red Rockem Sockem costume and yells giga drill break
>just before taking a big red drill-do and shoving it in my ass at full speed
>just like Kamina told me to do
>>65015
Maybe your point is just retarded and nobody else buys it which frustrates you so you repeat it over and over hoping to browbeat and henpeck others into submitting to your disgusting fantasies. Kinda like a tranny now that I think about it.
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>>65024
>recontextualizing
so self-censor and only explore themes in a way that doesn't "influence" mentally ill retards to cut off their dicks?
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>>65027
Social taboos have existed since the beggining of societies until our days. It's necesary if you want to keep normalfags sane so the actual racional human beings are not damaged by them. It's just that today, in western media especifically, are more tranny enabling rather than the traditional opposite.
Preciselly is not the anime media itself that is damaging, it's those bad western views of the medium that twisted those in theory good messages into perverted ones that can actually leak if not deal with into the good material, pozzing it.
Basically with new social and storytelling norms it would be the thing that saves good media and messages from being corrupted.
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>all this autism because some smugnigger thinks ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER equals "cut off your dick and become a fake woman"
>has no argument against the Gurren Lagann sperg
>just repeats himself endlessly
>muh Fukuyama
>so desperate he accuses people of liking Naruto could be another anon, hope it is
>or understanding the symbolism of Little Red Riding Hood
>another fag won't shut up about muh contrarianism
The especially retarded bit is that, yes, the "you can be anything you want when you grow up" meme and especially that blind belief that mankind will overcome the nature of the world through science are tied to trannyshit, but somehow-
You know what? It's been a long time, I'm rewatching Gurren Lagann. I'd probably appreciate it more now and it'd be easier to articulate this if the show were fresh in my memory.
>>65033
Also, since we're discussing Gurren Lagann, are the movies worth seeing too? I remember hearing they added a lot of new animation and something about the second movie adding an entire extra phase in the final Anti-Spiral fight.
>>65035
>are the movies worth seeing too
No, it's the same shit as with Eva
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>>65033
No the especially retarded bit is grown men are reading way too far into a fucking shonen anime with an ultimately shallow moral of not accepting defeat when someone is trying to ruin your shit. That's it, there is nothing more to it, it's telling young boys to not be fucking pussies, but here you faggots are arguing about tranny cocks. You talk about wanting to study the mentally ill then look in a god damn mirror. Absolute lunacy.
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>spend hours online looking at mutilated mentally ill tranny genitals and talkingabout  trannies to the point of near obsession 
>begin seeing trannies in everything
a sad fate.
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>>65036
As in Death & Rebirth or the Rebuilds?
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>>65035
I suggest just downloading the second movie to watch the last fight.
>>65039
>shallow morals
Maybe to someone arrogant enough to assume anything that automatically falls into the genre of shonen literally means nothing but shallow messaging and doesn't bother to look past the barest exterior as a result.
Your post is basically just saying
>talking about shonenshit
>thinking any of them could ever be deep
in more words, its you looking down on the entire genre and thinking there can't be a single work that technically falls into the shonen genre with any fucking depth, ignoring all evidence posted against the contrary, and summarizing what you got out of it as the only valid message/theme.
Genres don't necessarily mean anything, they are just indicators that a work might follow certain common trends in certain ways. Most seinen are pretty cheap, shallow entertainment too that just happens to have explicit or extreme content that gets it to a higher "age" rating, but you won't people say the same shit about the seinen genre is the ironic thing.
For example, if I pointed out that Evangelion is technically a shounen, some people would have an autistic fit because it couldn't be, after all, "unlike TTGL, its not a children's show deep and shit.", that would pretty much proving a point, but people like those would be too retarded to see it.
>but here you faggots are arguing about tranny cocks. 
He's talking about trannies because trannies are part of the culture we are in, so its unavoidable that they will engage in media.
What he's wrong about is that TTGL is to blame for any of this shit, when trannies lives are fucked by so much more that them perverting the messages of it, because their lives are already fucked by everything else wrong with them and the world around them. Almost anything can be perverted and ruined by someone who's already been ruined by things way more influential in their lives than a show.
>>65035
They are terrible in most respects and only good as a novelty for the last fights of each, respectively.
The TV anime is far superior.
>>65033
Watch with the Black-Order fansubs, they are the only ones worth a damn.

>>65026
Nah, feel free to project your emotions unto me though, that's a true sign of someone without anything of value to say besides sperging.
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>>65041
NuEvas. Nowhere near as cancerous obviously since they aren't separated by two decades and aren't a ploy to modernize your old work to placate current sensibilities when you already lost all of your skill. But same energy. They started doing """"improved"""" film versions of their shows all at the same time.
>>65047
>torrent the DB version
>check the thread
>told to use the Black Order fansubs
>check the mediafire link
>another 4GB plus another 2 for episodes 20-27
Would you happen to have .ass files for these or something? That would be a little more convenient.
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>>65055
The Black-Order fansubs were only hardsubbed afaik unfortunately
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>>65047
Oh boy more overly wordy ways of saying "I'm mentally ill and think about shemale cock when i see cartoons". Not reading any of that faggot Jesus Christ, but go ahead and repeat yourself some more, maybe you can come back and submit some of it as an English thesis and get a degree in fag semantics or something.
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>>65040
And he's taken up residence here so I guess we're about to see more lengthy breakdowns about how shonenshit protags are actually stronk womyn(m) and the hidden message is to mutilate yourself and submit to penis.
>>65063
Seems they also use the censored version of episode 6.
I've never made softsubs before and I've got a lot on my plate right now, but this plus the thread at >>49028 has definitely gotten me curious. Making an IPFS site for fansubs is probably a mistake when I don't know much about the field or even basic stuff like where to find fansub databases, but even so, even making a simple template someone more experienced in the field could build of of might be a good idea.
>>65073
I think you're responding to the wrong post.
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>>65073
Its funny how in all your posts, there has not been any discussion of anime, any answers to any of my questions, or even addressing a single actual point of argument.
You also conflated my posts with the person I was arguing with too, no less.
The question I still want you to answer the most is still: why are you here?
>>65075
Nah, the fag(s?) conflated me with the person I was arguing with a while ago to both shit on TTGL as a "shallow children's show" and put himself above it, and also shit on the guy who brought up trannies. 
There is nothing being done in good faith here, but it's to be expected out of contrarians.
>>65075
>censored episode
I was not aware they censored it, but that makes sense I guess considering the circumstances, I'm guessing they uncensored it in a DVD or blu-ray release
Black-Order used the original TV released episodes (and they had the best video source compared to the upscaled shit I saw from later releases where negative space and color differences became very pronounced in a negative way as a result of what they did, making frames look more simplistic than they were at times even) since they were subbing it at the time the episodes were coming out, and the group collapsed at around episode 19.
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>he's still going on about sissy faggotry
For fucks sake drop it you nigger, nobody cares you're stupid enough to find tranny shit in everything you watch.
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>>65096
I'll drop it the second you can answer a single one of my questions, though considering you've done none of that till now and you're still conflating my posts with someone else's, there's no need for me to.
Go be buttblasted somewhere else, its not my fault that you have no attention span, reading comprehension, or anime you actually like, contrarian.
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>>65093
>2007
I want to go back anons
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>>65103
I'm not even the guy you're faggoting on about you obnoxious nigger, but I'll give you an answer anyway you're a nigger brain with a fixation on trannies and a need to have people tell you what you want to hear. There you go, take that for what it's worth and fuck off because if you haven't noticed the other asshole is just as much of a stubborn piece of shit as you.
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>>65109
>find a turbosperg analyzing anime
>he gets into an argument
>wait until the argument is over
>talk to him and act as if he's the person he was arguing with
>sit back and watch the autistic salt
This is some of the better bait I've seen in a while.
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>>65109
Yeah I totally believe that you're a different guy who just happened to conflate my posts with someone else entirely and talks the same way as him.
I dont give a single shit about your contrarianism, answer the question.
>>65110
>analyzing anime
>on an anime-focused imageboard
>this is somehow a bad thing
You can't analyze things with appreciable depth in a few words. Analyses aren't memes.
My issue with him is his contrarianism, not the fact that he's baiting me after I called him a contrarian. You can say I'm biting the bait, sure, but his posts should be clear and obvious to what actually is the case here. He has not said a single thing of substance all thread.
The real problem is that this cancer is accepted without question.  It's not bait to shit on something and act like you're above it, that's just contrarian culture which has taken root in way too many communities. 
The bait part is conflating me with the person I'm arguing with, but that's of little importance compared to the former, larger issue.
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>>65111
>analyzing anime
>on an anime-focused imageboard
>this is somehow a bad thing
Never implied that.
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>>65111
Nice dissertation nigger brain, are you done yet?
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>>65112
Then why am I a turbosperg for analyzing anime?
You're not a sperg if you waste your time  repeatedly coming back to a thread you dislike to shit on something without explaining anything besides "muh children show shonenshit", but you are if you actually talk about anime?
He also repeatedly asks me to stop posting and fuck off too, he seems a lot more upset than I am.
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>>65114
I'll be done once you say a single thing of substance.
Unfortunately, I don't see that coming any time soon, so feel free to keep posting until your contrarianism loses out to your attention span.
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>someone makes a strong point about contrarianism and its contribution to the death of discourse
>some braindead retard decides to show his lack of reading comprehension and scream MUH CONTRARIAN at anyone with an IQ above him
heh.
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>>65115
>Then why am I a turbosperg for analyzing anime?
You aren't.
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>>65118
A post like that without application of it means nothing.
Someone saying negative about contrarians in general doesn't mean anything if specific ones aren't pointed out, exposed, bullied and mocked for the cancer they bring.
>>65119
Ok.
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>>65120
Again, the fact that you thought the post bringing up Naruto was simply "shonen bad" when the point about (You) and (You)r arguments was made pretty clear shows you have room temperature IQ.
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>>65121
Damn, you got me there. I don't compare to true 105 IQ geniuses like yourself.
That's all the answer I needed, thank you anon. Truly now I see how a guy's random sentence expressing disdain at Naruto was totally related to my points after all.
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>>65122
>still doesn't get it
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>>65124
But I do anon, I totally do.
Basically I'm stupid and that anon who hates Naruto is smart; my argument bad, his good.
My IQ low, his very high.
What is there not to get?
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>>65125
naruto is shit
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>>65125
I suppose we're done here. Your lack of reading comprehension and parroting points your betters have made is rather disappointing.
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>>65126
Disliking Naruto doesn't automatically make you smart or your opinions right, Naruto's quality is completely irrelevant to this discussion.
>>65127
But anon, I was only posting what you did, doesn't that make me smart?
I'll have to talk about anime with people who are actually interested in discussing it, don't leave!
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Nia best grill
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>>65116
No you won't, you'll continue being an ass because someone dared to be annoyed with your tranny shit. It's how you people operate, we're all well aware.
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>>65147
I'm incredibly impressed as to what lengths you'll go to to avoid talking about anime.
It's hard not to be in awe of you, thank you for your post.
>>65132
That's a thick Nia. Yoko is a strong competitor too though
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>>65150
No dissertation? Just passive aggression?
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>>65151
You seem disappointed anon, maybe you should try talking about something you like.
I know it's hard, but someday you might find something you like until a group of people dislikes it and then you have to change your opinion
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>>65150
>Ended up as a barren virgin.
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>>65156
>barren
that's what happens when you get old; it inevitably happens to every woman
>virgin
I'm not seeing much of a problem here though
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>>65106
BELIEVE IN THE FUTURE, ANON!! BELIEVE!!
>>65155
I am talking about something I like unfortunately a certain nigger decided to say it's tranny propaganda and another nigger decided to flip the fuck out and the thread turned out like this so how can I continue to talk about it if every attempt is going to attract one of you?
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>>65165
>how can I continue to talk about it
Try talking about what you like about it then, for starters.
I don't know about it being tranny shit or not but TTGL was ok for the first part while the second part sucked dick, but overall it was just pretty shonen shit with plenty of yelling and "U CAN DO EEET" nonsense which is kinda inspiring on the first watch but grating on any subsequent viewings imo. Spawned a lot of fun memes though.
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>>65178
go back and take your plebe taste with you, faggot
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There is literally nothing IMPOSSIBLE if you really put your mind to it, anons.
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>>65183
What if I want to make a thing impossible, not only for me, but the others?
>>65180
Stay mad faggot, nobody cares you're upset someone called a cartoon tranny shit.
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>>65187
That wasn't me anon, no need to jump at shadows.
>>65178
Liking the first part but not the second part is not uncommon, I know someone like that
I personally disagree about the depth of it but as long you got some kind of value out of it, that's fine I guess.
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>>65189
I wasn't talking about you I was talking about the uppity clown getting mad at your takes. I'm tired of everything devolving into the same kind of argument where one fag has to be as obnoxious as possible and never read past anything the moment he sees a trigger word.
I should have worded that part better actually, the second half sucked dick in comparison to the first half but I still enjoyed it. I enjoyed the rewatch too, but maybe because I knew how the story plays out the inspirational shit seemed a little much. Still just shonen shit though I'm not going to pretend I will ever find it "deep".
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>>65202
That's fine as long as it was enjoyable. Glad you enjoyed the rewatch too. 
A lot of people will try to go back to what they watched as teens and just hate the shit out of things they used to like, as if they have some obligation to do so. Its good that TTGL didn't date so much in your case as to not be fun anymore.
TTGL came out at a time when it wasn't completely delusional to believe there was still hope in the future. It caught on with GAIA newfags and became a forced meme from faggots who were too busy fapping to the underage bikini whore to notice the godawful writing. However, this is 2022 now, we live in a neverending ((( GOYIM-19 ))) dystopia created by our families, peers and all of humankind as well as their ((( benefactors ))), and we serve no more purpose in this world except as entertainment for the eternal normalfag calling us "Karens" and "incel conspiracy theorist GOP Qanon cultists" whenever we dare question Saint Fauci's holy word. TTGL no longer reflects the values we maybe once had, and thus we see it as the reddit trash it always was.
https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/collections/15-karens-misbehaving-in-the-wild
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>>65228
Topkek/10
>>65228
Oh, but anon, you forget the most guilty one of all:  you. There were plenty of warnings throughout the 20th, 19th, and even 18th centuries about where our "enlightened" society was heading. You, like so many others (including myself), not only failed to heed them, but refused to even look at them. Chesterton plainly said What's Wrong With the World, and Belloc spoke of The Servile State. Orwell begged the world to not let 1984 be real, just as Huxley pleaded with us to stop his brother's dream. Schumacher thought to put his warnings about the misuse of knowledge in two small and easy books, and Ron Paul tried to talk the Republic back to health (or if not health, sanity). All failed because you actually believed the party line, and still buy it even now.

Still your impotent despair and wailing. There are better things, and the dreams of even this board are one of them. Gurren Lagann was timely, stupid, wonderful dreamstuff.  It was the logical extreme of hot-blooded super robot shows. Hell, you could probably play HEATS over some scenes and it'd fit like a glove.
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>>65250
>Chesterton
I see someone with some brain cells has decided to show himself in the thread
>plenty of warnings
the problem is that few people listened to the heralds of times to come, the ones that did are basically the ones who have been carrying the bloated, fat society on their backs ironically enough, because there's scarcely any other choices that don't involve unacceptable levels of destruction
and agreed about TTGL of course
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>>65251
You flatter me. I still haven't read enough of his work. Started with Miscellany,  and just finished The Everlasting Man. Unless I'm much mistaken, you can find all his books on Gutenberg now. Hopefully that includes the Father Brown, those little stories are like a more filling kind of popcorn.

But yes. Not enough listeners to turn things around, but just enough to make things bearable.  ... Odd question, but did Japan have any echoes or equivalents to these "heralds" to your knowledge?
Why do I still post here I fucking hate every single one of you.
>>65262
You love us, tsundere slut.
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>>65262
Because you have no one else in your life
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>>65262
Because you hate everyone and everywhere else even more.
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>>65263
>>65265
>>65274
Didn't read.
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>>65282
Said the creature who painstakingly noted all three posts.

A Japanese Hillaire Belloc would be rather amusing now that I think about it. Noting the map of Oriental history, speaking on which imported Western customs would lead to good things and which to bad, making wary commentary on Koreans and Chinese...
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>>65287
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>>65299
Whoops, that was supposed to say "Didn't read that either"
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>>65300
t. niggerfaggot
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>>65303
Whoops, didn't read that one either, sorry, it's a bad habit.
GIGA
DORIRU
NIGAAAAA
TTGL
>>65183
>There is literally nothing IMPOSSIBLE if you really put your mind to it, anons.
Can you fly to the moon in 5 minutes after you have read this post?
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>>74494
Depends on if you can stop sucking dick for those 5 minutes anon
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>his powerlevel is limited by my dicksucking
dasai
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>>74504
that's why everyone is so weak anon, you can't stop sucking cocks
you are holding back humanity with your sheer faggotry
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>>74499
>>74584
don't reply to the saging sperg pls
bae
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>>80160
I'm gonna coom.
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>>83852
Why?
She's a fatty.
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>>83859
That's why.
>>83859
yeah, but the fat's all in her tits and arse, the best kind of fatty.
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>>83874
No its not, look at her thighs meet her hips and waist also bet she's a butterflies too
There is something nasty about them, especially when they are fat enough to make the pussy look nonexistent
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>>83875
Butterface*
>>83875
t.homogay
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>>83891
Nah, I just prefer my women looking ideal
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>>83892
like men?
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>>83893
Nah, just women who don't look unhealthy
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>>83897
>gooks
>don't look unhealthy
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>>83899
>implying western countries aren't infested with fats
>>83900
>plump
>fat
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>>83908
>fat
>fat
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>>83899
>>83900
It doesn't require a rocket scientist to look up the username of the first, and find out she's spanish.
>>83900
>obese -> BMI > 30
>overweight -> BMI > 25
Notice the difference between these two map scales. Europe is still not quite as bad as burgerland. Anyway, Japan is an outlier with the very low percentage of landwhales within single digits.
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>>83968
Yes, because it's different.
>>83909
>cope
>cope
What made TTGL so iconic?
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>>90914
Everything about it
>lots of fanservice
>fast pacing
>over the top super robot mecha (at a time when super robots were thought to be dead)
>fantastic animation and quality 
>Kamina
>top-tier character and mecha designs
>multiple visually striking artstyles
>emotionally hitting and well-crafted story
>extremely memorable dialogue
>lovable cast
>a soundtrack with ambition, quality and experimentation that has not been seen or replicated to date
>strong and inspirational themes and messages
>scope of the anime has yet to be matched
>the core concepts remains unique
>some of the most GAR shit in anime history
>highly memeable
>great poses and cinematography that stick out
>memorable scenes
>outstanding character relationships
>a work clearly made with the highest levels of love and care
>just really fucking cool and fun
Its probably the most ambitious anime to date in terms of what it aims for in just 27 episodes.
>permanently assblasted /m/ fags that their medium peaked with it
Plus, no anime really comes close to what it does. It was also released at a great time for the internet.
A few people might try to say Kill la Kill, but while that's good and while it does have its own style that takes inspiration from TTGL, it really doesn't come close to TTGL and is something mostly different otherwise.
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>>90916
>>permanently assblasted /m/ fags that their medium peaked with it
This is what TTGL Toonami babies actually believe.
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>>90918
Thanks for proving the point :^)
>toonami babbies
You realize that Gundam Wing came on Toonami and introduced mecha to a lot of people before TTGL ever did, right?
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>>90916
>permanently assblasted /m/ fags that their medium peaked with it
TTGL is good, but I wouldn't say it's peak mecha.
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>>90921
In fact, after looking into it, Toonami apparently didn't even air TTGL until 2014, long past when Toonami was even still relevant to most people, so I dunno how one even makes a connection like that.
There were many other mecha anime that Toonami had in their peak like FLCL, IGPX, numerous Gundam series, Patlabor, the Big O, Robotech, Eureka Seven, but TTGL is hardly one of them that people would think of when they think Toonami.
>>90922
It was mostly a shitpost, everyone has their own opinions; its just that /m/ fags are the ones I've seen most butthurt about it more than any other group.
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>>90921
I thought Gurren Lagann premiered on the Sci-Fi Channel (Now Syfy) as a part of their Ani-Monday block. Regardless, my introduction to it was Netflix back in the early 2010's.

>>90923
>It was mostly a shitpost, everyone has their own opinions; its just that /m/ fags are the ones I've seen most butthurt about it more than any other group.
From what I understand, it's because /m/ autists tend to fall into the category of either wanting realism or fantasy, with nothing inbetween.
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Am I the only one here who watched TTGL when it aired? I even remember posting spoilers for ep.8 from the shitty online jap broadcast on an old message board.
Fuck I'm old.
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>>90925
>spoiler
Do everyone in this thread a favor and kill yourself, teen.
>>90926
There aren't a lot of us left but we're still around.
>>90925
I don't remember what channels it aired on, I recall it being on Adult Swim but I may be getting it mixee up with Big O.
>>90926
No, I remember shitposting on 4/b/ about it and getting banned repeatedly and told to fuck off to /a/. Fun times.
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>>63580 (OP) 
I miss the 2000s.
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>>95725
Half of my favorite anime came from the 2000s, its a shame
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Remember GAR?
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>>97840
GAR, you say?
the last kino
So, did anyone check out the first TTGL movie in theaters yesterday?
i miss it
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>>63580 (OP) 
You forgot kill la kill, soul eater, sao, nichijou, parasyte, aot, tokyo ghoul, mob psycho, and probably a bunch of other easily named stuff came out after this.
>>103409
No, you are not allowed to like any of those! You are only allowed to whine about new releases and feels sad, if you want to fit in!
>>103409
Popularity doesn't mean it had a substantial memetic legacy or being iconic.
Kill la kill was the only one there that did, excluding the first AoT OP and maybe a bit of Nichijou (but still far less than things like K-ON, Lucky Star, Azumanga Daioh, Haruhi, etc.)
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>>103411
Lurk more lmao all of those have memetic legacy up to today. SAO is the image 80% of people imagine when they think of anime culture. Tokyo Ghoul is similar in that people can recognize it without having any idea what it is. Same with Soul eater, I've seen nigger rappers with jewelry depicting Soul Eater. Parasyte still has memes today, albeit shitty zoomer ones. And before you say it has to do with popularity, I disagree because none of this limelight comes from actually watching the show, but from third party coverage by people who are only aware of the imagery. This is textbook memetics. And anyway, you already admitted kill la kill did, so OP is disproved regardless.
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>>103430
nice bait.
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>>103433
I disagree: it's a retarded opinion masquerading as bait. His post doesn't have the confidence of an anon saying his mind or of a baiter presenting his bait. It reeks of an insecure faggot who has opinions but can't convince anyone or win an argument (he doesn't seem to know what OP is talking about, for starters), so instead he writes his opinion as halfassed "bait" and hopes he can make the thread as miserable as he is.
>>103434
>bait makes me miserable
2016 cortisol addict newfag detected
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>>103446
>2014
>smug anime girl reaction pics used after demolishing someone in an argument
>2024
>smug anime girl reaction pics used exclusively by the retarded and butthurt
How the world has fallen.
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>>103433
>>103434
How about you faggots actually provide some discussion instead of resorting to the usual, deflecting, value flaunting bullshit. It's peak irony when people call out bait, making another meaningless post post to call something a meaningless post. 
How do you call anyone insecure when the first action you take, in disagreeing with something, is rationalizing how it disagrees with your feelings rather than how it's logically disagreeable. Who gives a fuck if its bait? If you really think it's 'bait' then all it takes is a reasonable response to oust the truth. If they meet your rationality with rationality then hey they weren't baiting and you can have a real conversation. If they meet you without rationality then yes maybe they aren't trying to have a rational discussion. But, whether you're doing it seriously or ironically as bait, all you're doing when youre calling out bait is derailing the thread into this shitty discourse we are having right now that gets nowhere. And yes I'm aware that what I'm doing right now is exactly what I'm calling you out for. That is also another reason why it's retarded to make egotistical value flaunts, because it either leads to nothing directly, or it builds into a loop of people spewing more of it at each other which also leads to nothing. 

TLDR: Stop being self conceited faggots, get over yourselves, and stop derailing the thread.
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>>103469
>implying there is any worth in engaging with retards
Men ought to argue with other men if at all, not children.
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>>103468
translation:
>10 years ago I was a retarded kid who thought I was demolishing people in arguments while representing myself with a female avatar in the form of "reaction pics" like a faggot
>now that I'm older I see how retarded and gay that was and how I could've become a tranny if I kept going down that path
>>103469
you could've at least added something on-topic like this:

Azumanga Daioh is the most iconic anime of all because it invented the CGDCT genre which is the most popular genre among mature men (seinen). These are the inventors of all technology, heads of families, leaders of nations and companies, etc., the most important people.
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>>103409
>you forgot all this slop
and for a good reason
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>>103479
Pretty much. His idea of iconic anime and "memetic legacy" is so vague and dependent on normalfags absorbing things through osmosis that most popular normalfag media would count as iconic.
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>>103475
I never used reaction pics because they're universally for gays and take up space I can use for something else and you're also just butthurt you used to get your ass handed to you back when weebs weren't all feeble minded bitter retards.
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>>103434
Seeing the further replies, yep, you were correct.
>>103481
but I wasn't on imageboards 10 years ago I just turned 18 yesterday and heard about azumanga daioh a week ago and it's really cool
>>103474
Keep showing everyone you're a self conceited faggot unable to discuss even basic hobbies without bringing your ego into it. If it's really such a childish post, in an anime board mind you, prove it with discussion instead of insisting like an actual child. 
>>103479
>>103480
Iconic and memetic does not refer to personal taste, it refers to the position of something in culture. I never claimed the anime I mentioned aren't shit, but they are iconic for the reasons I mentioned: they make up imagery relevant to anime. And popularity has nothing to do with it, the majority of normalfags have never watched an episode of SAO or Soul Eater, yet the majority would recognize them if they saw a picture.
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>>103489
>it refers to the position within culture
No, that would just be the same thing as popular culture then, which is clearly not what OP was asking.
Anime in general has become more popular in culture, so by that logic all anime becomes iconic (especially the popular ones), especially as more time passes on.
Iconic refers to how inherently unique and distinct something is, it's recognizability (but not necessarily popularity).
When something has an iconic artstyle for example, it means it has a unique style that stands out among its peers and is instantly recognizable for what it is, not because of the popularity it gained after the fact.
In terms of memetic legacy, OP is clearly referring to memetic legacy on imageboards, which is different than whatever shit you would see in normalfag circles. Normalfags can and will make shitty memes about anything they become aware of, but that doesn't mean the work has a substantial memetic legacy. They take something, shit out a billion memes, and move on to the next thing.
A legacy is something that endures beyond the ephemeral, or at least left such a significant impact for the period of time that it was relevant that it will never be forgotten (even if its current state might not be great).
>>103492
If we're talking about memetic legacy on imageboards, Boku no Pico is the only memetic anime not to go mainstream :^)
>>103492
>OP asks for iconic movies
<Lurk more lmao all of those have memetic legacy up to today. Transformers (2007) is the image 80% of people imagine when they think of movie culture. Suicide Squad is similar in that people can recognize it without having any idea what it is. Same with Toy Story 4, I've seen nigger rappers with jewelry depicting Toy Story 4. The Maze Runner still has memes today, albeit shitty zoomer ones. And before you say it has to do with popularity, I disagree because none of this limelight comes from actually watching the movie, but from third party coverage by people who are only aware of the imagery. This is textbook memetics. And anyway, you already admitted Black Panther did, so OP is disproved regardless.
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>>103498
Transformers is iconic tho :^)
>>103492
Lots of stretches here. Your first contrast is wrong, since just because something popular has a position in culture, doesn't mean memetics. don't. They both have positions in culture.
 I also clearly stated that the mentioned IPs' iconography has little to do with their modern popularity. It's another stretch to say OP is only referring to imageboard culture. And even if he was, well most of these anime came out when anime wasn't appropriated by normalfags, so it's not like normalfags have much to do with it. In fact, you would probably get bullied by normies for liking SAO today as you would for liking anime back then. I will say, the process you described in your final sentence is exactly how some of these anime exist. Regardless of what you think of SAO, it has left a broad impact on the current state of anime. Why do you think you have so much isekai garbage nowadays?
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>>103504
>wastes several days trying to convince anons that lingering in a normalfag's mind for longer than a half-chewed potato chip and influencing bad trends makes something iconic
>says normies
>vapid enough to notice normalfag rapper jewelry
>easily upset by smug anime girls
With traits and beliefs like these, you could easily land a job at Buzzfeed.
>smug reaction images stop
But why? Im your anger did you forget to keep posting them so you feel like you look like the smarterer big boy like in a political cartoon?
>>103505
>you could easily land a job at buzzfeed
I'm going to start using this, thank you
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>>103505
Please can you just get over yourself and discuss anime.
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>>103505
You being unable to discern that there are multiple people disagreeing with you and cramming them into one person is hilarious and proof of your egocentrism.
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>>103507
You're welcome.
>>103509
By the looks of things, you think a lot more about me than I do, but sure.
Whatever marketers, journalists, rappers, and pop music fans may tell you, the term "iconic" comes from comparisons to religious iconography and is still connected to it. The icon is designed to look beyond the merely popular, the fads, the transient things of the world, and point to the pattens above reality and how they manifest in the world. They are exceptionally dense manifestations of these patterns, and through seeing and contemplating them, you can better understand their patterns and recognise them elsewhere. The anime style itself is more iconographic than most post-medieval western art, and you can see hints of this in how anons conceive of the 2D/3DPD divide or how western artfags accuse it of "symbol drawing," but that's another conversation.
So how do >>103430 's anime picks fit this? Poorly. The closest he presents to an iconic anime in this sense is SAO, as it brings out and concentrates the patterns of garbage isekai in such a way that it's pretty much a symbol of it. Not even KLK really fits, even though a couple girls and songs from it stuck with people. The rest, good or not, he chooses not because of the patterns they manifest, but because of the shallow ways normalfags connect to them, and this looking in the wrong direction unites his beliefs and worship to theirs even if he claims to despise them.
>>103510
You may believe that if it comforts you.
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>>103519
Classic cognitive dissonance here. You even basically admitted at least SAO is iconic by your own terms, yet you're still so butthurt you deny it and for what reason? "It just is ok", as in you don't even explain why it poorly fits even though it meets the very criteria you set up before calling it a poor fit. 
And then you claim none of the rest fit your vague criteria, when they arguably do. If an icon is symbolic for 'patterns above reality', whatever that means since it's so vague, then of course you could argue all my examples 'manifest patterns' since that's such a vague definition. 
And finally I mention the way normalfags connect to the IPs as proof of how they've 'manifested patterns'. As I explained, most normies have entry level awareness of the mentioned anime at best. This is proof that each is an icon based on how icons trickle down throughout culture from primary beholders, those who first view and label the source as an icon, down to the secondary viewers, or those who are aware of the icon, but were not part of its source. Anyone can see pictures of Jesus everywhere and get that he is iconic, even if they don't know why. Similarly the anime I mentioned for being known, despite not being viewed primarily, is proof of their trickling into widest culture. Just as how 'normie' trickled down to said normies and got appropriated by them. Icons, patterns, and culture are inherently reminiscent of this trickle. You can argue no real Christians exist today since all our modern notions of it conform through the vision of modern culture, not the perspective of the first Christians. Even the icons of Christianity are seen today through the eyes of secondary viewers. The trickle down effect also ties into memetics, as the idea of memes is that memories and culture are like genes, being passed down to the secondary beholders, who always lose some of that primary meaning since they were not present at the creation of the icon. 
Also, if you're really claiming normies worshipping an icon destroys its status as an icon then you're saying that Christianity can't have icons since, relative to the originals, the only people iconifying it are secondary to the originals.
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>>103524
Ah, seems I wasn't clear enough there. I do think SAO is iconic, but iconic of bad isekai. There's plenty of bad isekai out there, and many that are likely worse in specific areas than SAO is. You could even argue that, technically speaking, SAO might not count as an isekai. But somehow so much of what makes most isekai bad is concentrated in SAO in such a way that it's become a sort of image of bad isekai, and discussions of what makes SAO bad map well onto other isekai.
Part of why I'm more vague on this subject than either of us would like is because it's something I more have a feel for than a solid intellectual grasp, and as it ties into both spiritual matters and culture downstream of it, I don't want to mislead people by giving an overly precise but wrong description. The stuff about "patterns above reality" is also vague because it ties into a lot of stuff on levels you might not expect at first, so there's a risk of being reductionist if I'm not careful. I get if this sounds like a copout, but I'm also in the early stages of learning and participating in this stuff.

As for the trickling down of culture, your view hinges on the belief that, if something trickles down, that is evidence that those closer to its source recognise it as iconic. This really isn't true. There's many cases throughout history where artistic works are rejected by the cultural upstream, critics, and even their own artists, with their iconic qualities (or qualities in general) only finding recognition later. Sometimes those works still trickle down and are recognised by the masses before the upstream, and sometimes they don't. Sometimes something with little to no iconic worth is correctly recognised as such by the upstream, still trickles down to the masses anyways, becomes popular with them for a while, then fades. And sometimes the masses are the first to notice something at all, well before those upstream, and sometimes they're right. Sometimes they're also very, very wrong.
I gotta run, but before I do (and hopefully go into some other stuff you brought up later) I'll cap this off with a quick comparison. Imagine someone on a Christfag board asked for iconic Christian figures, and someone responded by naming Judas Iscariot and then a bunch of evangelical authors that have been trendy for a couple years. Judas Iscariot is iconic, and he's more revealing to many modern-day issues than a lot of people realise, but he isn't really what OP is asking for, while calling authors "iconic" because they've been popular with normalfags for a couple years is a bit of a stretch. Does that make any sense?
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>its iconic of bad isekai
"Iconic" is a word with largely positive connotations, this discussion is getting more and more retarded.
>>103595
Oh, and just to be clear, its all because of that one retard that showed up.
>>103595
You couldn't even read beyond their first sentence yet you're calling anyone retarded Lmfao.
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>>103597
It's not a virtue to argue with retards, retard.
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>>103592
Ah ok I honestly agree with most of what you're saying and I appreciate the clarification. I see your point on the trickle effect, but what I really meant to emphasize was the trickle effect of  icons, not the broader trickle of all information. In the broader sense, all information trickles down regardless of relevance, simply by being put down to memory somehow, such as through data. 
Personally, I consider culture to be only the relevant, passed down information. Memes are not only information, but that which is somehow relevant and passed on accordingly (it's a provisional definition but you get the idea). Now you can argue the line between meme and information, but for the sake of what I'm saying, I'm referring to icons and memes as the surface of the water information, not the entire ocean.  
The trickle effect of icons, relevant only to icons, does not refer to the entire flow of information, but only the flow of icons. Accordingly, when examples like Van Gogh became icons, the point they became famous was the start of their trickle as icons, but not the start of their trickle as information. The source is where the icon first became rectified and the original beholders are those who witnessed and acted towards its birth as an icon. The source of the iconography of the cross in Christianity, for example, would be when it began to be recognized as an icon by Christians. You could say this is only true because it is now a universal icon, but that is part of the idea; you can only recognize an icon relative to the aftermath of its trickle.
And finally, again I emphasize that none of the IPs I mentioned have been hugely popular with normalfags. I emphasize that they are not popular, but that they are recognizable.
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>>103599
You can't claim someone is a retard without knowing why.
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>>103601
What are you talking about, it's self-evident by the post.
It's also not a claim, it's a fact.
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>>103595
Of course. No one who's asking for iconic anime is looking for SAO as an answer, even if it is iconic of something, just as no one who's asking for iconic Christian figures is looking for Judas Iscariot as an answer.
>>103600
>have a drink
>about to write a response
>realise both the Tokyo Ghoul and Parasyte anime are almost ten years old by now
>mfw
>>103607
You read the first sentence of their post and assumed. Also something you can't claim something to be self evident if you don't even know what you're referring to. And if it's a fact why are you still disputing it? Finally you're going against your own words by still responding to my posts. If anyone is the retard it's you who offers nothing but shitty bait and insults.
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>>103595
Yea like TTGL is the magnum opus of anime..
>>63580 (OP) 
Maybe not for anons but Jujutsu Kaisen seems to get this treatment, to the point people wonder how the animators are even pulling it off.
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>>103611
No this is one definitely normalfag flavor of the week popularity and not iconic.
>>103609
>crying about being insulted for being retarded
<no you're the real retard for calling me retarded
Retard.
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>>103620
>Waah you can't argue with retards
<continues to argue with said person xes calling a retard
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>>103621
>calling a retard a retard is "arguing"
nice try retard
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>>103626
>arguing that one isn't arguing
>it's somehow not arguing
Lmfao
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What is the point in even describing anything when this is always the result?
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>>103627
>retard tries to climb out of the hole he dug himself into
<he can't get out
wew, I'll help you out, here's some rope
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>>103630
Maybe you shouldn't have been so retarded, retard
good discussion comes to those who aren't retarded
>>103631
>projection
And besides a world with miku would be a world worth living in.
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the top 10 most popular anime of all time on MAL are the most iconic anime
>>103638
>most boring and pathetic reply possible
its not even funny anymore, this is just pitiful
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>>103641
>more projection
zzz
test
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