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Justify building a giant humanoid mech.
I'll wait.
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You can make it a pretty girl, like a sculpture but with jiggle physics.
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>>86788
And yet they never do.
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>>86786 (OP) 
Because it's cool, retard.
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Great tourist attraction. If you mean as a weapon? I couldn't justify it. Would be too complicated to control unless an AI did most of the work like the original RX-78. Too unstable too. The amount and size of weapons you could mount to it would be limited. It terms of space combat, why even have legs? Those could be thrusters, fuel rods, or extra guns.

>>86788
This is a good idea too.
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>>86791
>why even have legs?
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>>86786 (OP) 
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>>86786 (OP) 
Because it looks cool, also if you stretch the definition of "humanoid" you can still make some well armed mechs.
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>>86808
On paper and in figurines I love the idea of 40k titans but mobility-wise they'd be quite impractical. Still, they're very cool looking and I like the western mech design more than the eastern mech design. Hang me for heresy if you disagree, I know it's a controversial opinion, but eastern mechs just seem too scrawny.
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>>86810
Mechwarrior has some neat stuff, but Warhammer is only cool if you're a small child.
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>>86810
>too scrawny
That just depends where you look.
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>>86810
Retarded nigger.
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>>86823
>pic
That's one of the worst images you could have snagged if you were trying to prove that point, it looks like the RX cosplaying as a megazord.
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>>86810
looks like it skipped leg day though.
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>>86810
That looks like shit.
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>>86828
>((( Power Rangers )))
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>>86791
Almost all giant mech stories come from a distant/parallel future where they discovered some new type of energy/resource/concept that allows for giant mechs to operate. There are very few examples where it's just "hey, let's build a giant robot with conventional contemporary technology".
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EROTIC
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>>86868
nice exhausts
Mecha is silly, I agree. Now let's go watch shows about living in shit, it's very realistic at least.
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>>86871
>let’s watch shows about living in shit
>Implying most mecha shows aren’t already about worlds gone to shit because they’re all written by manic depressives like Tomino and Anno
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>>86881
Don't reply to the saging sperg please.
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>>86833
>Almost all giant mech stories come from a distant/parallel future where they discovered some new type of energy/resource/concept that allows for giant mechs to operate.
My problem isn't that they have giant robots. It's that they have humanoid designs. Even then some of the deadliest giant robots aren't even humanoid. They're just designed that way for the cool factor most of the time.
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The best mecha part of 08th MS Team was at the very beginning when Shiro gets in a ball gunner and defeats some chump in a mobile suit.
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>>86884
>It's that they have humanoid designs
Well that was my point, they have some form of whatever that allows for bipedal humanoid mechs to exist and be operated. Non-humanoid mechs are much more "realistic" in that sense because it's something you can build with contemporary technology. We could build some fat tank and give it some rough torso shape on top, but to have giant fully bipedal robots you need some non-existing macguffin.
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what about giant arachnoid mechs?
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YUGE
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>>86833
One thing about big robots is really ridiculous: why put a meat filling inside of it at all? Either use an autonomous AI or operate it remotely from a safe bunker or something. If you do that you can pull off much more crazy maneuvers without losing consciousness due to too many Gs draining your blood from your brain or getting a concussion from a particularly sharp turn.
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>>87237
>One thing about jet fighters is really ridiculous: why put a meat filling inside of it at all? Either use an autonomous AI or operate it remotely from a safe bunker or something. If you do that you can pull off much more crazy maneuvers without losing consciousness due to too many Gs draining your blood from your brain or getting a concussion from a particularly sharp turn.
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>>87239
Jet fighters are retardedly backward when compared to futuristic mechs, and we don't have yet an AI worthy of the "intelligence" part in its name,  let alone fully capable of independent action. Not to mention the weight limits imposed by fuel consumption rates make them pretty fragile too. And even flying mechs from anime would usually incorporate jet engines but not lift-generating wings, try to guess why.
Actually there are some designs of unmanned flying drones utilized for military purposes already, even if the majority of them are rather quadcopters with VTOL capability instead of classic fighter jets. Well, it's only a matter of time for even them to forego any onboard personnel.
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>>87239
The only reason why we don't have remote jets is the limitations of existing technology, you brainlet. In the distant future where technology allows to build giant mechs there's no justification to have people in them.
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>>87253
Off yourself, cuckchan retard.
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>>86883
kill yourself already, fuck
>>87255
Cope, seethe, dial8 and die early.
>>86786 (OP) 
building a humanoid mech would result in you having a humanoid mech
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>>87009
Has there even been many of them? Only ones I can think of is Appleseed and 86
>>87238
As trustworthy as painting anything red making it faster, I suppose.
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>>87260
wrong
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>>87271
Red makes fings fasta ya git, dats why red text makes dis post fasta.
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>>87274
>forgetting the unbreachable divide between 2D and 3D
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>>87277
dubs confirm
>>87227
ASS
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>>86786 (OP) 
Technically speaking the humanoid from is an incredibly versatile and efficient physical form. So if humans wanted to create a massively advance and capable multifunction machine the human form is not actually that far-fetched. 
That and the sheer symbol of it is also significant. Imagine the status and moral significance of giant titanic human compared to a big gay box with wheels.
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>>87523
>Technically speaking the humanoid from is an incredibly versatile and efficient physical form
Is this a joke? Unless you put your feet diagonally from one another you can literally be felled by a light push. Bipedalism is the least efficient physical form imaginable as far as any physical activity is concerned. Hence why nobody uses it other than us (birds can fly), and why we're physically inferior to pretty much any animal on the planet in some aspect.
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>>87525
In fact bipedalism is the most efficient form of terrestrial animal locomotion.  There's a reason nearly all predatory dinosaurs (and many non-predatory) were bipedal for over 150 million years.
bipedal not strong, but bipedal fast. Running away is the most op move in any war. Well, sometimes you have nowhere left to run though.
>>86786 (OP) 
Tanks aren't as all terrain as you'd think. They impart a consistent force on the ground when they move, and when ground conditions reject that force you're fucked. Even in the modern era of information and satellites a tank operation can be foiled by an area of slippery flat stones stacked near the surface by some geological process or any equivelant ground feature. There are obvious limits to traversal and man's attempts to bring more metal faster to places it shouldn't be has led to the development of machines which are pretty much giant robots already. Ground pressure issues from bipedal machines are grossly overstated and the power of the arms on construction vehicles for instance are grossly underestimated by popular realism -just look up some videos of people loading backhoes into trailers using only the backhoe's arm, or other tricks demonstrating even large vehicles lifting their own weight.
The military will burn money just for a piece of equipment that functions as intended, because that's what allows force multiplication at all. Truck gets stuck in a ditch, infantry don't arrive, cannons can't target in the stormy sea -that's what causes history's military facepalms. So tell a general, "That gun you like because you know it works? Our policy of putting that shit on everything has resulted putting it on legs." and he's happy because now he can drive his favorite gun straight up a cliff where only mountain goats would dare. I think people consider legs as being wasted weight or excess, but a better viewpoint might be to see the legs as a seperate piece of standalone equipment.
For the awesome and almost practical stuff consider that a fighter jet needs to be in a high energy state to dodge a missile, but something like an armored core would realistically be able to dodge by juking one way and ground-braking the other way just like in the game. Mission kills are a serious problem for military vehicles, since a straightforward approach of adding armor can prove insufficient to keep a tank in the fight. Legs might have better survivability since only one leg is needed to move, even if it has to scoot across the ground. You could take advantage of that and armor the legs in a way to keep one working and the other from collapsing when damaged. Having arms is effective for switching weapons and equipment which could help an old platform stay relevant. In WWII most tanks that stuck around for a few years ended up with so much stuff bolted on they were pushing the limits of what the original vehicle wasn't designed for. Modern vehicles are static only because they aren't fighting serious wars, and they'd age like milk if they did. Even the largest battleship in existance was designed with a weapon swap in mind in the face of expected escalation. And being able to freely target a weapon is an obvious development for any vehicle, so fighter jets are starting to mount their missiles on arms instead of the wing to fire freely in any direction. A giant robot could stick their arm over a hill or around a building to shoot without endangering the body wheras tanks require luck or preperation to do the same -surely that boost to survivability is worth balancing against. Robots have the advantage of rocking back while firing by collapsing their frame, or assuming a more geometrically stable firing stance, while tanks have issues firing a cannon too large for their weight class, especially if they want to make rapid follow-up shots.
Finally realize cost is a matter of time. Tanks are cheap because humans chose to make lots of tanks, and they started on that because they had trucks. If robotics becomes a more significant part of civilian life those components will inevitably approach dirt-cheapness, and the military will use them. Metal is metal, industrial base is industrial base.
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>>86786 (OP) 
what are you doing here, CR? go home, to mommy
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>>87783
nice autism desu
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>>88444
Trips of truth. Everyone knows that real aerial combat is meant to be carried out by cute flying girls casting elegant danmaku spellcards at each other.
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>>88485
I like this image, I'm glad I'm not the only one who played Touhou as his first danmaku/shootemup and found other games in the same genre as inferior. They have lots of artificial difficulty and usually most "spellcards" require you to use a bomb or die even if you have the patterns memorized, whereas with Touhou if you die, that's generally your fault alone. Not to mention how other danmaku have such fuckhuge sprites and clusterfuck maps making it hard to figure out what is terrain and what is in the background, let alone where the bullets are since sometimes you get bullets that blend in with its surroundings.
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>>87274
Then why not crew them with entire squads of people in order to run them with the power of friendship and gay love?
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>>88488
Haven't read anything this pleb in a while.  CAVE is overrated as fuck and loops with hidden final bosses are definitely a scummy autistic cash grab mechanic.   However that doesn't mean ZUN's garbage is good, after some 20 years he still can't design a compelling level to save his life.  Play a real Touhou like Shikigami no Shiro or Hellsinker and you'll see the difference.
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>>89310
>mixed sex cast
no
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What about giant humanoid mechs that form out of several smaller animaloid mechs?
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>>90973
What's exactly the appeal?
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>>86806
I was disappointed that the mechs weren't alive.
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>>90990
What's exactly the unappeal?
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>>91000
Isn't that a given that most things in the universe are not treated favorably by you?
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>>90996
Source is not canon.
>>91152
Seems like you being railed in the ass is treated favorably by you.
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>>91157
stop projecting your fantasies
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>>91152
I can't even imagine how many burgers this slut must have eaten on this board by now.
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>>91161
fat slut
>>91160
>speaks the furfag
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>>91188
>cope
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>>91191
Learn to utilize > correctly. And don't forget to follow with the latest fashionable buzzword.
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>>86786 (OP) 
> Justify building a giant humanoid mech.
> I'll wait.
Morale effect.
For a hand-to-hand equivalent, demonstration of capability for beating a dude wielding sword to death with a jester stick that bends when swung and makes funny duck noises on impact could be quite demoralizing for his surviving comrades.
It shows that you can afford to do things in an obviously retarded way, and the prospect of being the next dude to get killed by someone not taking you seriously to that degree is not exactly glorious.
>>91192
>seethe
you can fuck it
BIG
what about mechs with boobs?
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>>95507
based
>>95507
I prefer mecha with a bodacious backside myself.
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there hasnt been a strong response to this thread bc mecha are a fucking stupid design. even in high variability terrain, anatomies like picrel are far more effective and efficient. theres literally no need for the anthropic design, and obviously no need for a human pilot inside. its just a wank fantasy mainly from small dicked japs for obvious reasons

dont let any mecha autists tell you otherwise. theres no reason to waste finances on a stupidly ineffective and value inefficient design like typical mecha. the only reason it might have happened in the past is if half understood leftover advanced technology from a higher race mysteriously appeared and was integrated into the primitive designs of early engineers, who would have the same myth instinct as mecha fantasists. you see it all the time in massive statues constructed across kingdoms.
>>97428
...like in nausicaa, which gives a plausible reason for its mecha. but most mecha fiction arent anywhere near as clever for their excuses as that story.
now i left holes in my argument bc there are justifiable reasons to construct humanoid mechas. so if anyone would like to mention them, feel free.
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>>97428
logistics and production. If vehicles with limbs ever become common comparable to wheels, the high production numbers will drastically reduce the cost of only the most generalist platforms. Truthfully tetrapods will likely dominate the roughly human-sized or smaller niche as the simple repetitive tasks machines perform won't benefit from human evolutionary advances.
Larger or more urban designs will likely be bipedal for precision and floorspace reasons. Rotating a large four-legged machine would be hazardous and cumbersome compared to a bipedal using only the space it currently occupies. I love my dogs but they get in the way a lot and are predisposed to not moving any direction but forward; urban robots like workers or home helpers might tend toward bipedal.
Gundam is actually quite right that bipedal robots are great for space combat. Being able to rotate in zero-G without expelling propellant requires reaction-mass and reaction-wheels in traditional ships are a waste of space and difficult to armor. Landing is dangerous because the thruster will throw up a dust storm and melt the landing site -landings are likely to be rocket-tail-down and would be impossible on anything but flat ground. Bipedal robots could easily land with their legs, and laid-out heightwise like a rocket and could mount spinal guns.
Human pilots make sense in a command vehicle. You can't just send out some drones and give them orders from across the border, just so they can get hit with electronic warfare. Commanding them from a truck negates their terrain-adapted mobility advantage, so you'd likely see slightly larger human-piloted robots playing robot-death-chess against the other guy and his pack of drones.
Treads are good but they tend to be heavy, maintenance-intensive, and fuel-hungry.  Large treaded vehicles can't navigate entire nations because crossings can't accommodate them.
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>>97428
If four legs are good, then six is better, and eight is even better. With six legs half can be raised  and the platform remain dynamically stable the whole time. With eight legs there is some leeway if there are some damaged or lost.
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>>97428
>there hasnt been a strong response to this thread
There has been.
>>97555
urban designing would inherently avoid humanoid designs because the narrower passages would only make the mechas more easily targettable

humanoid mechas can survive regular bullet fire, but explosive projectiles are effective anti armored unit weapons, and will be common for the foreseeable military future and would be regular fare for any half serious low budget opposition. bipedalism is a sound design for various terrains found in urban theatre, but its foolish to assume that mechas should otherwise have humanoid design
>>97558
Increasing number of legs scales poorly in every sense, the extra weight offsetting the powerplant. Armored Cores have extra powerplants in their legs which is why quads hover better, but they're expensive and drag down the core during high speed maneuvers. A new machine design generally starts with a specific problem and goes through a process of design and budget negotiation until you get the minimum cost solution, and maybe one or two higher price-point proposals. Four legs is ideal, eight would take serious justification.
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>>97558
With 8 legs you can also have 7 vajanias, maybe more.
>>97602
Give me not a mystical answer pulled out of ass, but something logical. Are you scaling just assuming multiplying things, or are you changing their proportions according to lessened load due to distributing it to more parts? Even more retarded is designing separate energy sources around instead of having one big in the middle if it's guarded well enough to withstand a direct hit long enough to move out of the way fast enough to avoid an explosion. Specific game lore assumes certain type of gameplay in order to tickle the gamer's fancy, not something resulting from physical constraints. The most jarring example is watching several tonne worth of machine jumping around like a flea on drugs without any regard to inertia and the resulting strain on its joints.
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>>97605
thats not really stupid at all. in fact its quite sensible in certain regards.

still we havent really explored what are the most feasible mecha designs, and whether theyd have humanoid features as an aftereffect or not.

i dont think ive ever seen realistic designs here. the basic distinction from the general usefulness of tanks is that mecha have more terrain mobility and more pivoting for maneuvering. very importantly, they would be able to lift themselves if tipped over. 

but if their armor design cant resist ballistics, whats the point when compared with tanks?

this is the best thread on this shitty board. you guys are alright, the rest of the threads are full of stupid faggots
The point of mecha is to sell toys.  That's literally the only reason.
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>>97607
no thats the industry reason. mecha designs existed before the genre became enfranchised, and many excellent mecha designs dont even have toys
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Alright, we got the walking truck built in the 60s and the clip demonstrates it could do with ease what wheels can't even as ancient jank.
Then we have Big Dog which was scrapped for being too loud. I'd bet a proposal for a larger version was quashed on a coin-toss for higher R&D costs. It looks like American generals have been going, "I don't need a deathbot, just make a truck with legs," for half a century. The concept will probably be revisited when tech improves again.
There was also the Hardiman concept in the 60s which was a bipedal forklift. Military bases are built in locations on a sliding scale of "reasonable" and "strategically important" and there are some places where a single jeep has to walk a tightrope just to give them soap and food.
The Timberjack walking logger has six legs, at a glance to lower its belly and make room for the arm and cab.
Gasaraki is all about how war is complicated and makes a reasonable case for human-piloted robots even without the magic bullshit. It presents war as a crazy thing that needs to be handled with specific action and intent, so that conflicts being resolved by bipedal robot special forces comes off plausible.
The Toyota war was a real life event of armored vehicles getting ROFLstomped by pickup trucks, which goes to show flexibility is more valuable than armor. Given the progress of robotics any warmachine built now would be quite agile. We're seeing in Ukraine that tank armor is "not great" now, and tanks are being used as artillery platforms instead, so maybe survivability isn't about the vehicle's toughness but it's position and mounted countermeasures.
My guess of a practical warmachine would be something like Metal Gear Rex, and it would just walk into the forest or mountains and shoot artillery while dodging counterbattery fire. Such a machine could alternately lower its legs to level the gun while standing on an incline. Those untraversable zones have previously been the domain of mountain troops and rangers and whatever, but generals can act under the assumption there's only so much ordinance special troops can carry. If a bunch of bipedal robots can attack from the edge of any difficult terrain that'd be a huge headache. You might see mech squads running into each other in those zones and duking it out.
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>>97704
POTD.

>that Big Dog footage
I'd suggest that is already superb balance recovery, certainly superhuman already even then. Any individual, and probably most anmals outside of mountain goats would've landed on their asses.

Great review Anon, thanks. BTW, you might be intredasted in /robowaifu/'s monstergrill thread r/n, lots of spidery things going on ATM.
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>>97704
>>97712
Notice how 6 legs would solve that problem with balance even before appearing. You know that a table with three legs is already stable, right? So a machine that raises two sets of three legs that alternate with each other to walk would keep itself stable regardless, as long as its footholds don't give way.
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>>97719
I mean the front and rear leg on one side and the middle leg on the opposite side standing as one set, alternating with the same setup but with the left and right side switched/mirrored.
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>>97724
Have fun, haha.
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>>97719
And then there’s something to be said for redundancy. As a starting point for sensible walker designs, there are millions of examples, and they already have:
- being built on a rigid external hull,
- 3 or more pairs of legs,
- usually fairly low profile,
- often streamlined shapes,
- often shapes mostly made of obtuse angles (which is how radar reflection reduction is done, as someone pointed out at funnyjunk with the green guy here)…

Obvious, yes. Unfortunately, none of this ever mattered. The “humanoid” part was there for “muh identify” (which in this case equals overcompensation).

>>97607
I did not see photo or mentions of Evangelion toys, however. Or teh Power Dolls, for that matter.
im glad i turned this thread in the right direction

good work, we turned what was an abysmal start into the only good thread on this shitty board
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>>97833
kys
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>>97834
ty i am here all month faggots

no but seriously this thread was really off the mark soy posting with pointless infighting mixed in until i steered it proper and true
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>>97836
>I hate the board and everyone on it but no I will not leave
I'm glad I'll never be this much of a spiteful faggot.
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>>97843
dont think of it as spite
i extracted what value i could from here
delivering pain as an afterthought was a bonus which most of you autistic faggots apparently cant just ignore
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>>97845
>i extracted what value i could from here
By being an attention whore? Sounds absolutely pathetic.
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>>97847
He's one of those obnoxious faggots who won't capitalize and barely punctuates; of course he's an attention whore.
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>>97845
Pain? It's not painful to call you a retarded faggot at all.
>>97848
Or a mobilefag, assuming that's a difference.
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i am a great anon
the only one capable of bringing meaning to wastelands like this
by your actions you confirm the pain forced you to respond, otherwise you would just ignore it
you prove i cannot be ignored
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>>97859
That's no excuse: phone keyboards automatically capitalise the start of sentences. No, this is a retard who thinks he's enlightened and better than you because he writes worse and has worse taste. His entire act exists to shield him from how lame he is.
Replies: >>97886
Judging from the incoherent ramblings and declarations of "u mad" the sageschizo probably came back, only he's dropped the sage entirely this time. He must've gotten banned from wherever he fucked off to after the /hgg/ BO btfo'd him. Too bad the faggot in charge here won't do shit.
>>97864
What is that gif from?
Replies: >>100224
His resentment is still an indicator of the state of the board. Animu boards need new blood, just not his kind (probably a zoomer).
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>>97896
who are you talking to?
TITTY MISSILES
>>99871
The obvious answer tbh.  :^)
>>99871
But she'll have holes in her chest after she shoots them.
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>>100014
True unless there is a whole bunch of them hidden behind meant to get loaded ready to shoot again. Or even a whole mini-factory assembling them on the run.
>>97886
That's the Gorg from Mazinger Z
>>99871
holy based
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HPDs lost.
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