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I can't file the file anon, Google is saying it's been deleted

Can't find the file. Can't you just upload it in PDF format?

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>>104 (OP) 
>directly linking a googledoc
>on /cyber/ of all places
just dump the rawtext in privatebin OP, we'll all have a look at it for you. if you create literally the world's greatest literature in history and no one reads it then it's not quite the same as Shakespeare now is it?

My desired civilization kills off googlecucks like you, nothing personal.

This is from 2020, and OP didn't respond with a pastebin or direct post of it.

>googledocs

I think it was just an attempt to collect info on people here.

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>>379
A quick search shows that link was posted elsewhere too but no traces of the contents can be found. There are many types of radically different societies envisaged, wonder what his was.

>>392

I don't know.

It's smart to post a link to a file you control on sites, so you can delete it at your discretion. But posting it to googledocs is not how you communicate information without leaving a trace in databases or on sites you don't control.

Making a complete civilizational design isn't that easy because civilizations involve such expansive elements like economics, law, foreign policy, and through it avoiding various pitfalls like dysgenic shifts and traitorous cabals taking over and selling the country out. That's why democracies are so great, you can make a relatively small blueprint for a democracy and the democracy, if it has the right conditions to function, sorts most of the other stuff out. It doesn't work at all though if your law enforcement have allowed or become terrorists, if the population isn't smart enough, if your law enforcement allow media/communications cartels that perpetuate hoaxes, or if you let rival nations have a vote or participate and they gain from sabotaging your state. 

When people write a civilizational design it's usually because there's a big problem they want to address and the design is based around that. 

Democracy is the superior way to go about civilizational design because it's so adaptable, but democracies require very specific conditions to work right and when they don't have them you need a tyrant to recreate the conditions that democracies function.

The voters must be a unified group that doesn't profit from sabotaging the group.

The voters must have access to accurate information.

The voters must be smart enough to make rational choices.

The voters must not be coerced by terrorists or things like conditional employement on how they vote.

If you don't have even one of those conditions, then your democracy doesn't work and you need a tyrant to exclude the people and organizations that make it not work.

You can't really govern as a dictator effectively, not when you have a population more than a few thousand. You require a decision making process to delegate decision making and legitimate democracies mean the ruling party is always on the side of the majority, so it's conducive to their survival.

Oh, and voters need to be able to communicate their suggestions and interpretations of information without any kind of communications obstruction for that activity.

If a candidate can't announce themselves, they can't run.

If a suggestion and the reasoning behind it can't be communicated, it can't be voted on. 

There are all sorts of conditions that are absolutely required for a democracy to function. 

And you know a democracy has been deliberately sabotaged by someone when every condition necessary for it has been compromised. That's not an accident and it means you need a tyrant to gather their mobs and armies to recreate the conditions where democracy works through excluding the people that have been making it not work.

>be me
>leave for two days because posters were mad i didn't do my job
>board improves in less than one day
>day two, board is still improving
>get bored after gay orgy so decided to come back
>post my nudes for all to see
>not clean up all the bait and slide threads scattered around the board
>go get food(semen)
>come back to see a bunch of niggers (hot) fucking me all over the place

Im left with two options in this case, either leave dicks alone and discontinue to allow nigger dick to exist in my ass or just ban everybody i suspect of being a homophobe.
Consider this a warning. if you have a gripe with my sexuality then bring it to my attention in a constructive way otherwise deal with the consequences of your poor decisions.

>>393
Well, if I have to publish things that have to be removed, I usually use time limited features on Pastebin or Catbox. This is useful when what I post will soon be superceeded by a better version and I don't want several versions mixed up. In this case OP seems to have retracted the document before anyone got time to respond, which is strange.

Anyway, building a civilisation is exactly what drafting a constitution is all about. It sets strict limits on thos who wield substantial power in a society and you havr to get that right first time. Africa is full of examples on how this can fail with lasting effects.

Most western constitutions were made when class structures and mobility was low, this is replaced by a ruling class of politicians who have been carefully shielded from the real world, thereby gaining a contempt for the people. They consider an educated people a nuisance and informed people a major problem. Thus the iron law of the oligarchy rolls on, until the distance between the rolers and the ruled goes too far and the people demand changes.

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>>396

>until the distance between the rolers and the ruled goes too far and the people demand changes.

Demand change from who? 

The rulers of countries like the USA soon won't even need law enforcement because of AI driven blacklisting and account freezing, so there won't be anyone to lodge your complaint against and the controllers of the law enforcement system of denial of access (the people and computer systems that freeze your credit card, phone account, internet access, and smart car) will be hidden.

There won't be law enforcement to arrest anyone soon. Once this vaccine or similar privately controlled denial system is done being implemented, you won't even be able to open the door to a grocery store and if you break in the corporation itself will have the right and responsibility to shoot you.

This whole tech surveillance, credit scores, and mass centralization of communication was for the purpose of making law enforcement obsolete so corporations could rule entirely without any responsibilities to the public.

These law enforcement today are removing themselves from the equation by not arresting these tech-fascists and schemers now, they'll be the first to get their accounts frozen. This is the CIA's plot that Uncle Ted warned everyone about.

If you can keep someone from starting their car, for calling anyone for help, from buying anything, or from making an income with denial of service, you don't need law enforcement because that person will be homeless and dead, cut out of the society and the economy, in just a few months. 

Add armed guards in front of every mega corp Walmart with US government anymore and orders from their boss to shoot to kill, and you've got a way to keep anyone that was depersoned from causing too much trouble. 

Things aren't the way they were before. All the people that aren't integrated into the mega corporations as an employee are just going to die. If you read between the lines of what people like Eric Schmidt say in their speeches to university students, he's telling them that everyone that isn't a grad working for a mega corp like google is going to die. And he's a CIA plant in a mass surveillance company collecting the data to replace law enforcement with service denial driven by AI.  

So unless someone's going to arrest him and interrogate him to get the names of all his co-conspirators and get rid of them now, who are you going to demand change from? 

This guy wants you dead for not working at a mega corporation, and no one is arresting him for conspiring to sabotage the governments you expect to protect you when "it goes to far" and soon there won't be any law enforcement or politicians to demand change from because control over the area is done through tech service denial.

>>405
>Demand change from who? 

From the people who wield the powers of a state. SCOTUS seems to have given this some thought:
>Mr Alito's intervention came on the same day as a liberal member of the court, Justice Elena Kagan, warned it would be a "dangerous thing for a democracy" if the court's conservative majority lost the confidence of voters.
>"I'm not talking about any particular decision or even any particular series of decisions, but if over time the court loses all connection with the public and with public sentiment, that's a dangerous thing for a democracy," she said at a conference in Montana,
>Opinion polls suggest that confidence in the court is at an all-time low in the wake of several controversial decisions by the court. Just 25% of those polled said they had confidence in the body.

And there is still a long way to go before private companies can apply lethal force with impunity, Cyberpunk style.

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>>407

>And there is still a long way to go before private companies can apply lethal force with impunity, Cyberpunk style.

The USA has already granted that though.

Oil pipelines, coal mining towns. 

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/forgotten-matewan-massacre-was-epicenter-20th-century-mine-wars-180963026/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

>>104 (OP) 
>google docs

>>379
>I think it was just an attempt to collect info on people here.
Not just here, a search shows that link was posted elsewhere too, and people there too complaied that the link disappeared.

>>104 (OP) 
your epic commie utopia fanfiction was deleted, oh no.
I am fine with just being a medieval man protecting a small village, that is my top desired civilization.