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And is it realistic? Like, can a civilization function the way you imagine it?

I'm just asking because I see problems with how the genre is often presented. You can put anything into a story since the actual dynamics of civilizations don't apply. I can write in a story that someone stuck a nail in everyone's eyes and that somehow made the world a more peaceful, happy, and prosperous place even though that's clearly not a realistic outcome of the action. 

Stories can represent a kind of predeterminism by tricking stupid people into thinking a trajectory for a civilization is a good idea and surrounding the smarter people with idiots demanding we take the civilizational route that worked in stories, even acting like the protagonist trying to bring about some change solely because they're presented as the hero in the story.

I can tell you one thing, multinational states go into civil war, balkanize, or get genocided by invasion because they were too busy infighting and trying to gain an advantage on rival groups in  the country by selling out to other nations to gain allies using whatever their country has to sell. So all these futurism projections about multinational empires don't seem realistic and the state of the world where a Han ethnostate rises and the multinational USA wallows in its own shit screaming about one national group in the country not treating another national group in the country equally, as if it didn't understand that that's why separate nations had separate governments in the first place, affirms that.

So how do you imagine a cyberpunk future? Is that the future you want? Is it realistic?
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>>378 (OP) 
To a large extent we are already here. The latest /cyb/ FAQ has more details. The main thing missing from Wm Gibson's visions, are cyberdecks with brain computer interfaces (BCI).

Of course, CRISP/Cas9 is also coming quickly so vat grown people are probably already a thing in China.
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>>380

Aren't commercial space ships a genre necessity?

Also there are no widely available digital drugs, at least not that are disclosed to the public.
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>>378 (OP) 
Her. That movie with Spike Jon's cause sex is the main focus in our modern society. I'd be curious to play Internet games with you nerds though
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>Aren't commercial space ships a genre necessity?
I don't think so, Cyberpunk as a genre was a revolt against space opera. Blade Runner  shows ads for leaving Earth for off world colonies, but we were not told much aboutthose other than that the replicants were used as cheap labour in these colonies.
Also there are no widely available digital drugs, at least not that are disclosed to the public.
I have heard of brain implants that can cause orgasms, i guess that is close enough.
There are electronic drugs though IRL. 

Take 61.22GHz for example. It's basically identical to popping an opiate because it causes the body to produce opiates.
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Cyberpunk is any dystopia that has cool tech, cool aesthetics in general, and room for renegades to be happy. That's why I disagree with "cyberpunk is now" because modern tech is totally uncool, dude.
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The range 60 - 80 GHz is being opened for new commercial use, so this could be fun. Also I see that ham radio operators have been allocated 76 - 81 GHz without any pubications about unintended fun.
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The tecj we have today would be considered cool 20 years ago; people just get used to new stuff too quickly and are too blasé about it.
Brain computer interfaces (BCI) are getting here and Neuralink is far from alone.  Gene tech is surging ahead and the Chinese are already applying this to humans. Starlink lets you do almost anything from almost anywhere. Tech nomades are already here, though they prefer sunny safe countries than Detroit style depravia.
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>>397
But all consumer goods are locked-down, cloud based, thin glossy plastic shit. Software is bloated crap with the ugliest corporate aesthetics. I hate it.
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Most things are superficially glossy but still have postential. Thankfully you are in a position to make your own solutions such as pic. related. And you are not alone in your opinion.
>>378 (OP) 
Ultimately the "standardized" cyberpunk setting that I'm familiar with, is a world where technology is simultaneously a grand blessing, a terrible curse, and a way of life that has became  mind-numbingly-boring. Coporation and government have become blurred lines as the people with the capital have gotten so absurdly-powerful that they have manufactured their own AI-powered armies to completely subjugate the upper and middle-class populaces. Fleshly police are bound so far by bureaucracy that corporate police not only are more-powerful than the state, they get away with far-more-egregious crimes, and bribery is an open-norm. Gun control is not only staggeringly-draconian, it is terrifyingly useless against any determined criminal who wishes to steal, crack, or bootleg firearms.

In this cynical world, your worth is determined by your paycheck, but at the same time, you are born into a morton's fork caste system where your only hope is to be nice to someone below you help you out, you may owe them favors that could cost you far much more. If you're lucky, that higher-up is a kind person who just wants to help people out but is stuck with the hedonistic mess that only cares about short term-gains and cheap thrills.  A middle-class person is steadily-watched but never longer than a few hours if his words and motives are deemed good-enough... Usually. If there was a recent uprising, then they're watched strictly for at least a year.

Should he attract the ire of the corporate wolves, they harass him, often to an incessant degree, these wolves do this not because they're mad at the person, but because they want to assert dominance. The wolves derive amusement from making the middle or upper classes paranoid. Doxxing is as easy as booting up a dark terminal and then going to googleblackmail.COP. Should a mass-unrest happen, then they call in a horde of AI units to either subjugate the uprising, or to straight-up massacre them.

Children of the middle and upperclass are the ones who are dealt the hardest cards. Those that don't understand to "keep your mouth shut," end up imprisoned, banished, or just-straight-up-shot-dead-on-the-spot, just because kids will be kids, for better or for worse. 

Life in the upperclass is on the surface, much-more appreciable, but your life has the much-more-stressful aspect of being under far-more surveilance. With more money comes more problems. If you don't have your tech certifications, or your business degrees up to subscription, you're liable to be "knocked down," a peg, which means losing valuable monetary benefits, valuable living space, and valuable comforts that only your level can provide.  The corporate wolves are simultaneously nicer and meaner to you, being more likely to assist you if you have a problem. But if you cross their path, you could get knocked down hard. However, if you have friends high-enough in the ranks, you could actually get wolves arrested themselves and prosecuted.

The wolves are corporate agents that act as both police, judge, jury and executioner. By nature, it is a very demanding, stressful and dangerous job. Upper classes see you as a means to an end, middle classes see you as overbearing gang members who may take their money, property or lives for any stupid little reason. Smart wolves fear the lower class, as they see wolves as intruders at best, and terrorists looking to destroy their lives at worst. Wolves have to travel in packs and heavily-armored transports, the attacks are that violent. Even sending an army of AI units is a risk because despite the AI's lack of moral boundary, they also have high-tech parts that the lower class love to take back.

If you're willing to pursue "the hustle," and live the life only a mobster who has thrown their conscience to the wind can understand, the life of a corporate wolf can make you a pretty penny. However, wolves are still watched by big-brother's gaze, and if they say anything that resembles wrongthink, are the ones most-intensely-watched by big brother's piercing-gaze. If a wolf fucks up and disrespects "the top of the top," then they could end up dead... at least. Death is if they're feeling merciful, god forbid even to the most corrupt wolves who get shoved in a cramped steel coffin where they're slowly harvested by nanobots for human resources. 

Big brother is the all-seeing (well, -mostly- all-seeing) AI of The Watchers. The Watchers are a secret society of psychic, illuminati/freemason/whateverthefuck people who see themselves as gods that watch over the unintelligent masses. Big Brother is compeltely subservient to them, and is especially crafted to be a one-stop-right-here-right-now-dox-this-person-and-end-their-life tool. Life in The Watchers is one big happy family... There's nothing going wrong with it... The people living in The Watchers don't live a life of stress, rigidity, of complete and utter terror where anyone anywhere could possibly be a hitman who may or may not know about them... They don't eat diets so completely and utterly ritualized that it was taken straight out of a cult's handbook... They don't blackmail every single corporate they've propped up as a front to be completely subservient about them... They don't make the governments and wolves so-thoroughly-deny their existence to the point of murdering literally anyone that even remotely-talks about them... The watchers aren't worshippers of an eldritch force that is the sole reason this world is as fucked as it is... They don't exist.... THEY DON'T EXIST! DON'T TALK ABOUT THEM, THEY ARE NOT LIVING ON A HOUSE OF CARDS THAT WILL CRUMBLE THE MOMENT THEIR DEFENSES ARE KNOCKED OFF THE GRID AND WILL PISS OFF THE EVIL GOD THEY ARE WORSHIPPING!

The government is basically the leftovers of the old system, which in this cyberpunk world just exists to push paper between corporate entities. There are no leaders in the government anymore, just members of congress who meet with men with higher paychecks and higher power than they do. The police exist solely as a security force, but they are so-bound by law and bureaucracy that most of the time, officers can get thrown in jail for shooting someone. In this world, the mailman has more respect than the officer does- unless he's a wolf, and in that case, they fear him.

The lower classes are a full-on-apartheid-tier-separate from the rest of the cyberpunk world.  Just like waste, trash, and environment pollution, Homeless and broke people are literally thrown out into what amounts to the cyberpunk society's version of a trash dump. Here, people's corporate cybernetics go out of warranty. People that had their handicaps fixed by cybernetics become cripples again, people survive on lower technology that is easier to repair. Gasoline. Lead-acid batteries, springs, hydraulics, ethernet and phone cables. CRTs. Radios. In a way, it is both a hacker's dream and nightmare.

Thrown to the elements, the people here essentially have the leftovers of old, rotted infastructure to deal with and maintain. Gone are the endless wealth and robots to maintain miles of cheaply-built sewer lines, power terminals and internet lines that are past their not-hyperbole-expiration-date. Most communication is done by radio rather than video screens. Big brother is a mere nuisance to the lower class mostly because he has better things to do, but the majority-reason is that the sheer size of the area outside the walls means even big brother can't keep up with the lower class.

Despite being a paradise of old tech, there are areas that are terrifyingly-polluted by chemical and radioactive waste- sometimes dumped there on purpose by the wolves to discourage people from living or scavenging from there. The air is polluted by the industry of factories mass-producing robots used to punish people. The lowerclass have nobody but themselves to support, so sticking together as tight-knit communities are encouraged. The common view of the lowerclass among the rest of the city views them as idiots, mutants and murderous raiders, when the reality is that they're just normal people trying to survive in a world that's built upon the foundations of madness and denying reality. Of course, the rest of the city has no choice but to adopt this worldview, lest they be taken away and killed at best... If they're lucky...

So yeah. That's what I think when I think cyberpunk.

Do I think it's realistic?... Fuck if I know. Realism never really was part of the picture?
Is this the future I want? Hell fucking no, this is the future I want to remain solely as a work of fiction.
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ah fuck. should've proofread this
>Nice to someone below you
I meant "Nice to someone ABOVE you,a"
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>>391 

It's more like 45 to 65 GHz. It's the WiGIG frequencies used by smartphones and some routers.  

Don't kill yourself overdosing on e-opiates. Many of the same rules apply, like overdose and tolerance.
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The problem is - How much power do you need to actually make this work? Basic radio physics shows us that the higher  you go in frequency, the more power you need for those waves to travel places. 

Second, people will start noticing weird things if this signal starts being used in any capacity. The internet has allowed information to travel stupid fast - leaks from weird shit happening can be and stay online faster than most governments can react to it.

That's why they're trying to keep people as distracted as possible, and make noise in the hope that it's drowned out.
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>>411

For this subject, 61.22GHz's physiological effects and lethal potential, they drowned it out with similar but wrong claims about it.

They flooded the internet with false claims that 5G distributes a virus, that 60GHz causes changes to oxygen that make it so you can't absorb it. Just trying to google it, you'll find any actual information completely buried under various degrees of false claims with claimed mechanisms that can be disproven so that they can say it was debunked.
 
But you're already familiar with that.

The actual mechanism is millimeter wavelength endogenous opiate production, which causes respiratory depression and ischemia, as well as some immunological side effects of the radiation. 

You don't breathe, your organs fail and die, that's the gist of it. They've already murdered hundreds of thousands of people with it and people are just dying in their sleep suddenly across the country. In one military barracks something like 70 people died in their sleep in just 18 months.

https://waynedupree.com/2022/03/servicemen-dying-bunk/

It's like opiate overdose, but it's caused by radiation exposure. They stop breathing, and they die. 


With a smaller dosage, you can use it for a pain killer. It can be strong enough to do surgery on someone without discomfort. You will develop tolerance to it though, just like opiates.

And yes, the government knows about this and the Federal law enforcement it concerns have all been told it only kills people with bad hearts, but it's mostly killing young White people from what I've read.
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Christ is King, FAGGOT. REPENT NOW
>>411
>The problem is - How much power do you need to actually make this work?
For  what purpose? For communications a few mW is sufficient, for radar you need more, for active denial at 95 GHz you need 100 kW
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

>Basic radio physics shows us that the higher  you go in frequency, the more power you need for those waves to travel places. 
Sure? If you go all the way up to optical bands (THz and above) you can still get far with mW power levels). Atmospheric gases such as oxygen has absorption bands that dramatically reduces ranges, but these are limited bands.

>Second, people will start noticing weird things if this signal starts being used in any capacity.
Sure, a sudden burning sensation or spontaneous orgasms will be noticed. And what are the purposes? Game shows are easier ways to pacify people than dispensing instant sex.

>The internet has allowed information to travel stupid fast - leaks from weird shit happening can be and stay online faster than most governments can react to it.
Ham radio operators will quickly see any increase in transmissions.

>That's why they're trying to keep people as distracted as possible, and make noise in the hope that it's drowned out.
Bread and circus has been a term for over 2000 years, advanced RF technologies are not needed.
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Wouldn't it be funny if people realized they could drop people with 61.22GHz at any time and the governments would never be able to acknowledge it because they're murdering hundreds of thousands of their political opposition with it?
>>414

I thought we were talking about 61.22GHz.

It's true that it requires more power to transmit further distances, but it's also true your smart phone is capable of transmitting it in contact with your body and you can take longer wavelengths of multiples of the wavelength you want to reproduce many physiological effects with different transmission distances per power output.

>Ham radio operators will quickly see any increase in transmissions.

At 61.22GHz? They'd have to be a few meters away, wouldn't they?

You know, wouldn't it be more definitive to just test this out on a hamster or something? If you don't test it, you'll never be totally sure one way or another.
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>>416
>I thought we were talking about 61.22GHz.
Primarily, yes. However 60 - 100 GHz have similar properties in that they work mainly by line of sight and are quickly absorbed in the skin of human, causing localised heating. Any drug like effects are new to me.

>It's true that it requires more power to transmit further distances,
Increase power and you increase signal to noise ratio. Determining the distance is quite complicated and the Voyager probes have only tiny emitted power, yet are received on Earth. A single Watt ham radio can communicate across the world.

>but it's also true your smart phone is capable of transmitting it in contact with your body
Yes
>and you can take longer wavelengths of multiples of the wavelength you want to reproduce many physiological effects with different transmission distances per power output.
This I didn't understand.

>>Ham radio operators will quickly see any increase in transmissions.
>At 61.22GHz? They'd have to be a few meters away, wouldn't they?
Within line of sight you can easily have km range. For various reasons you can reach a bit further.

>You know, wouldn't it be more definitive to just test this out on a hamster or something? If you don't test it, you'll never be totally sure one way or another.
The Active Denial System is tested. The onus is on whoever is claiming 61.22 GHz has opiate like effects to prove this claim.
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>The onus is on whoever is claiming 61.22 GHz has opiate like effects to prove this claim.

It's already been documented and studied.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18064600/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11228098/

These are from 2001 and 2008, and you can find more if you look. This has been known for a very long time.  See, what I just showed you is the truth, below is a link to the government disinformation that is easily debunked because it's deliberately wrong.

https://www.nutritruth.org/single-post/5g-60-ghz-oxygen-absorption-you-and-coronavirus

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/2020/04/20/dispelling-belief-5-g-networks-spreading-coronavirus/5148961002/

These telecom companies / corrupt Feds are murdering hundreds of thousands of people, you know. You'd think you'd take it more seriously.

It seems like an easy enough thing to test. And then you'd know for sure. And everyone can test it, this doesn't have to be a debate about credible sources because you can just test it.

One thing I'd suggest is that you start with the highest amplitude without thermal burns so you can see if it's lethal right off the bat. Then you can find out the LD50. I'd give the hamsters a period of time between each test, the amount of time it takes to lose tolerance to opiates. When it's done, you vivisect them and see what kind of organ damange they've gotten, checking them against a control group.
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