>>36927
>I find that a bit of a red herring in this discussion context.
You are the one who started talking about dreams, not me.
>To wit: we have no idea how the human soul works. At all. To suggest otherwise at this early stage is misguided at best.
But we didn't even establish that they do exist, i think you beg the question a little.
>Heh, some of the great luminaries among our ancestors have spoken on these topics, and you find nothing of interest there?
I do think it is interesting, i just think they were honestly mistaken, it happens to all of us.
>BTW, I didn't mean to imply that in my own experiences I've only had them happen within dreams.
Haven't mean to imply that, sorry, i just gave an explanation to one such event, the other could be explained too, it's just that we don't have such an universal model on them and they should be examined on claim-by-claim basis, since they are deeply personal.
>Flashes of uninitiated insights, invention ideas, insight into other's motivations and character unprompted in any way. I'm sure many, many men have had similar experiences.
My whole point that it all happens inside of you, using info you already have, and it is very hard to prove otherwise.
>OTOH, that's the basis of my entire position here: we are only partly physical in our makeups. Therefore, honest science can only go just so far in describing the phenomenon behind our natures.
I think if i describe my position more clearly it will explain my skepticism better, if you allow a little philosophical rant - i don't really have an 100% opinion on that question, but the position i hold as the most plausible is the neutral monism - that we, and the world around us, are, indeed, not wholly explainable by physics, given the phenomena such as consciousness and some mathematical constructs impossible in the natural world. However, as far as we can tell, these things, while distinctly non-material, are deeply and inseparably connected to matter, to the point where your personality and consciousness could be altered by mechanistic actions to your scull, how is that possible if, as you say, 'spiritual' and material are distinct categories? My argument is that all your non-material experiences are still ultimately grounded in you and cannot go beyond you(at least until it will be proved otherwise).
>>36929
>They still remember the grudge but totally forgot the reason. Besides, they also replaced religion with racial phenomena like literal chauvinism
But these atheistic jews don't always have great connections with the rest of the jews, for example, bolsheviks. Besides, they don't select on some strict genetic bias, jews are not one single ethnic group - they just have in-group bias that is caused by their genetics, that is way more probable explanation of their behavior than some faith-based stories, i will admit - they have even greater negative view on christians, but it is caused by years of ancient fun time (i.e. killing each other) between the two, otherwise they would have no problems with muslims, and i don't need to explain how it is not the case.
>>36941
hi!!