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/d/-approved masterpiece or restrictive cuckshit?

>>45115
/d/isapproved low tier bimbo shit with botched writing. A poorly conceived walking fetish and not a character at all. Scylla dodges criticism usually by being out of the way and locked out for most players in the first place. 
Bimbo lovers hate her
/d/ hates her
Nun fetishists really hate her
She's just plainly bad content.

>>45117
Assumed she was just some size queen based on the restriction first time I met her. Turns out literally none of her content is even related to having a massive cock, since she does temporary hyper stuff like Shouldra anyways. Seriously what a weird requirement for an oral fetish, you don't need to be pumping someones stomach for oral lol.

That all said, I don't have any of the fetishes you mentioned and I enjoyed her for the most part. Mainly the group sex stuff. And before anyone needs to say it I know my tastes are trash, but I got more content to enjoy for it.

>>45120
>I don't have any of the fetishes you mentioned and I enjoyed her for the most part
Well that makes sense, I said those fetishists hate her

>>45105
>A lot of other content in the game, to me at least, just makes demons seem only slightly inconvenient.
They are. The majority of demons in leadership positions are significantly less powerful than some random hero or any member of a naturally powerful race (driders, phoenixes, cockatrices, etc.). The most top brass of demons are powerful and dangerous but no more and probably less so than random non-demon equivalents.
Corruption is certainly pervasive and without the purification of marae the balance of power is probably in the hands of non-demon corrupt individuals, though purityfags are probably fine anyway. The most dangerous things in D3 aren't even demons and you get to see basically the entire roster of what lethice has which is ultimately not much.
A reclusive settlement with ascetic training and control of corruptive substances could easily manage attacks by imps or the regular crowds of demons that are troubling places like the desert. Any two driders or phoenixes could safeguard a community of corrupt/pure individuals from demons short of the actual generals as well.
Demons are entirely jews that are reliant on goyim forever treading bad habits and not doing anything to stop them, with the only case where they're actually threatening anything substantial being lethice herself.

>>45123
Though your analysis isn't wrong, I would argue it isn't meant to be that way, and that it shouldn't be that way. Bad writing and bad writers who push their characters, races, or threats to be bigger than they should be ruin the world building, along with the demon menace just not being fleshed out well. 
We need more demons, more frequency to them, and their influence needs to be more damning. The only writer that cared about that, though, is disappearing all the time.

>>45100
Favorite character?  Probably Izama, shark girls get me moist if you know what I mean.  She makes a good breeding girl but doesn't really have many romantic interactions which is a big bummer.  The shark toothed grin is probably one of my weirdest fetishes, it almost never shows up though so I take what I can get.  Obviously she makes for a good mother candidate and can of course be dedicked which is always a plus.  And her children have a decent amount of content, although she never has, and is unlikely to get a unique child character.  Honestly outside of the rampant incest sex she clearly has done prior(and after) she is pretty high on my waifu list, but... you said favorite character.

I'd have said Amily because she's one of the few virgins, but honestly the taint of Fen has ruined her for me til this day.  I guess Arian might be my pick, since he/she is mostly unfinished and hasn't been ruined yet.  Izumi is pretty much unfinished so while I enjoy me some Oni smashing you can't do anything outside of some aggressive sex.  Rathazul, come on you saw this a mile away.

The ultimate rat bro he just wants to make potions in peace and is perfect for when you fucked up, or someone else fucked up.  Without him you'd never cure bimbofiaction, a usually permeant transformation, and milk girl would never gain back her intelligence.  He's an old fuck with no sex drive, and chastises the more openly sexual characters so I'm not worried in the slightest of him making some moves.(looking at you Jojo)  he's one of the few unfuckable characters in the entire game, and thus automatically makes him the best character.  Not to mention he's fucking OLD, every adventuring party needs that cynical sage with a heart of gold, and he fits that role to t.  

sharks

>>45124
Eh, without having thought it out it kinda feels like it has to be this way. You get spawncamped by a shitty imp, not something actually dangerous. Without fleshing out the continuous powercreeping of the champion into some awful hackneyed chosen one plot, there's really no reason why you should be able to wander around as unmolested as you are. You just camp out in the wild and all that attacks you is imps and goblins; if the wilds were extremely dangerous then at least 90% of NPCs couldn't be out there either.
I feel like people are imagining it's diablo 2 and there are these pocket towns in a sea of demons and monsters (in addition to the actual dens and fortresses that are jam packed with demons) but the player and most characters aren't in these sanctuary towns. You don't spawn in tel adre or the bazaar; if life outside of them was inhospitable you've have to rewrite most of the game anyway.
>Bad writing and bad writers who push their characters, races, or threats to be bigger than they should be ruin the world building, along with the demon menace just not being fleshed out well. 
>We need more demons, more frequency to them, and their influence needs to be more damning.
Not that anyone has proposed anything, but the second you bring up demons you have some faggot claim that vanilla lore is a monolith of perfection and if we had just kneeled before it everything would be great. If there's a topic that people are discouraged from writing, it's actual demons. Regardless, demons were intrinsically lame because you could hardly go to town fucking them since you'd get a 100 corruption bad end. You can't even fuck the gardener at all under any circumstances, and that's one of the few pieces of tentacle content in the game (despite tentacles usually being sold as one of the major draws).
I feel like you can't really have your cake and fuck it too here, either demons are dangerous (and you can't risk sexing them, making them pointless to add) or you can rape them as much as you want and they're a joke.
>>45100
>Favorite piece of content?
Probably the pre-holli tree.

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>>45133
>shark girls get me moist if you know what I mean
You piss yourself, I see. We do have adult baby diaper lovers hanging around, I'm not too surprised.
Also makes sense as there's quite a popular trend of trannies buying this huge shark plushie, I forget what it's called, I think it might be related to Ikea. No connection to the vtuber, but there's probably some crossover in fans.

>>45135
>You get spawncamped by a shitty imp, not something actually dangerous.
That's usually all it takes, as it's a swift ambush that works on almost every champion out of your portal. You aren't really key to anything to them, so why overdo it? 
>the wilds being dangerous
I don't think it needs to be. I think demons need this presence that is daunting and threatening, but not necessarily physically everywhere. What settlements remain fear the demons, hide from them, duck and cover, with the more ambitious ones being unknowingly puppets or playthings, existing only because they haven't realized the fact the demons already beat them. Without your intervention, those other factions should fail. Losing should be an inevitability of this world. 
>you have some faggot claim that vanilla lore is a monolith of perfection
You are literally quoting me calling it bad writing and bad writers and suggesting how it should be changed (broadly speaking).
Did you somehow think I don't know vanilla is rife with the exact things I'm complaining about? At least this mod makes the overbearing threats post-game content, but I do think the elder god stuff is stupid, and the darkest dungeon references way way too overt. 
>either demons are dangerous and you can't risk sexing them or you can rape them as much as you want and they're a joke
Honestly, that's the one thing Satan does right. The ivory succubi, the lumberjack's sister, they have a dangerous vibe to fucking them. The sister doesn't want to die, she wants freedom, but when you're fucking her, she can't hold back the lust demon effect of drawing you in and trying to milk you for all you've got. She wants to completely drain you, but only if she'd actually succeed would she really go all-in.
The ivories, too, make you dizzy and delirious from how much they'll make you orgasm even though you're the one that won the fight. You're playing with fire when you fuck lust demons. 
I think Satan's writing proves that you can do the impression that demons are dangerous and still actually give sex as an option for victory. Maybe you disagree, finding them more of a joke, after all, lust demons are the lowest rank of true demons. Only alices and imps are lower, and alices aren't really a kind of demon so much as a sub-type of a sub-type, and imps aren't true demons, they're vermin created by a soulless being breeding. They aren't mortals that converted into a corrupted soulless monster, they're just a byproduct that never had any soul.
Lust demons are the bottom tier, and rightfully still strike that chord of being dangerous. That's the way I believe demons should be done.

Observer is a shithead.
That is all.

>>45143
literal who
he made shouldra, or something?
coc2 lore?
How is anything he did relevant right now

>>45123
>>45124
I don't think this is an issue of other races being presented as too powerful, its just a symptom of demons being neglected as the game grew. Its easy to imagine level appropriate demon encounters or whole dungeons about Lethice's forces for any of the zones that would properly convey a threat, but they weren't interested in writing that.

>>45145
>Bad end of Sand Witch dungeon says the witches beat the demons in the end 
>Bad end of the phoenix dungeon says the harpies beat the demons in the end
>Imp bad end says the fucking imps beat the demons in the end

>>45144
Savin's Cuc2 co-writer. So besides enabling his faggotry.
>Previously wrote a character out of spite in FoE to shit on the people who wanted more content for Helspawn.
>Kitsune furfaggotry that marries your daughter to his edgy weeb OC.
>Shits on peoples ideas/fetishes about as much as the anons on here combined, while most of his content could fairly accurately be described as the writing version of mobile shovelware.

>>45148
Okay? Fuck off back to the coc2 thread

>>45149
Who the fuck goes that trashpile?

>>45146
Zetaz beats Lethice in his end? Yeah, that's fucking stupid. The other two are fine though, they spent years in hiding building up actual military forces and won a war, essentially doing what the player would have but with a lot more time, effort, and bodies needed. That doesn't necessarily make demons weak.

>>45151
Also I'm not saying "demons are actually super duper strong the harpies just got lucky" or anything. Demons are explicitly not all unstoppable arcane powerhouses, they relied heavily on surprise and political divisions to beat the world. I'm just saying the perception of demon powerlevels gets fucked up because we really only deal with them at the very beginning and very end of the game without much in between. If they received proper attention throughout development we most likely would have drider-tier demons in the drider zone and so on.

>>45141
>You aren't really key to anything to them, so why overdo it?
It's not a question of there not being large forces arrayed at the gate. It's a portal that's letting in something totally unknown, there should be someone reliable to tell lethice if some unknown horror walks through unexpectedly.
>What settlements remain fear the demons, hide from them, duck and cover, with the more ambitious ones being unknowingly puppets or playthings, existing only because they haven't realized the fact the demons already beat them. Without your intervention, those other factions should fail. Losing should be an inevitability of this world. 
That's not how it is, and there's no reason for it to be interesting if it was. Sounds like some shitty grimderp with next to no opportunity for casual sex and wild corrupt promiscuity, i.e. very much not coc.
It's also, like, your opinion, man. In addition to a departure from how it is, how it was, and presumably how most people want it to be. Furthermore, you'd have to radically restructure the game for it to be true. Marae is right there. The factory is right there. This is it, this is everything. After D2 lethice is hiding scared, you've obliterated the only thing that's actually making progress for demons. There's no way to make demons more dangerous than general world content without putting D2 into the postgame.
>You are literally quoting me calling it bad writing and bad writers and suggesting how it should be changed (broadly speaking).
No, I'm not at all. What the fuck?
>Did you somehow think I don't know vanilla is rife with the exact things I'm complaining about?
When did I ever say anything about you? What the fuck does this have to do with what I said (which was itself a non-sequitur) or the conversation we were having?
>after all, lust demons are the lowest rank of true demons.
I guess you were right that you don't like (vanilla) CoC.
I swear to god this is purely your fucking fanwank and you keep posting this shit and it has nothing to do with coc. Nobody, anywhere, is, interacts with, or acts as if there is a type of demon other than the demons and every demon is a demon. All demons are lust demons. Lethice is a "lust demon". Everyone else is a lust demon. That's what the game is about. What the fuck are you talking about?
>You're playing with fire when you fuck lust demons. 
I mean, you used to just randomly badend, so they were complete nonstarters. Now they're half nonstarters with no content (e.g. gardener), and half jokes (e.g ivory succubus)
Things like alice scenes are kiha-tier immersion breaking non-contextual trash, with the player randomly being overpowered even though they're way out of scale with the 'threat' in the scene at that point. Of course, the player is basically a demon in all but name if you do something other than sniff furry dicks and this is a problem CoC has always struggled with, since the line between corrupt non-demons and demons is at once a complete binary division yet seems to be adjudicated entirely arbitrarily.
You also have to be spoilered if you're fucking a demon at high corruption. There's no tension in the ivory succubus scenes except maybe you'll forget that this is yet another piece of monsterdom garbage where you get randomly overpowered by an enemy that doesn't appear until after they're unable to actually hurt you and read something you weren't looking for, but that's part and parcel of (the bad parts of) CoC, in particular with how non-descriptive the prompts to start scenes are. Obviously, this has improved considerably over vanilla, but it's still a part of the experience.
>>45145
>I don't think this is an issue of other races being presented as too powerful, its just a symptom of demons being neglected as the game grew.
It's not an issue, really. There was no writing for demons because you can't fuck demons and you're not really supposed to go around at 100 corruption raping things even though that's a pretty big part of what people actually play for, you're supposed (author intention) to go to tel adre and ge

>>45145
>I don't think this is an issue of other races being presented as too powerful, its just a symptom of demons being neglected as the game grew.
It's not an issue, really. There was no writing for demons because you can't fuck demons and you're not really supposed to go around at 100 corruption raping things even though that's a pretty big part of what people actually play for, you're supposed (author intention) to go to tel adre and get pegged.
Other races being powerful isn't really an issue. Driders are corrupt, minotaurs seem pretty corrupt, hellhounds are corrupt. Corruption is stopping harpies and basilisks and various monster races from getting their shit together. Things don't have to be demons to show evidence of corruption, corruption continues to be a part of the setting and concept without them needing to star directly at every turn. The factory scenes where you just randomly die and can't grab your own lethicite somehow even though you know how corruption works and have overpowered the demon in question are mystifying but a product of the simple fact that demon PC's aren't supported.
Without changing lorewise how you end up becoming a demon there's just not a whole lot you can do with them. The characters and players and playthroughs where you would fuck demons are the ones where you can't (high corruption).
>Its easy to imagine level appropriate demon encounters or whole dungeons about Lethice's forces for any of the zones that would properly convey a threat
I can't see it. D2 is the only thing that's really advancing a demonic agenda and not just a general corrupt agenda, and you can't really put D2 at level 40 like you'd have to make it reasonable that all the level 36 mages and stuff got their asses blown out.
>>45152
>we most likely would have drider-tier demons in the drider zone
Why? You either can't fuck them or it calls into question why you can't fuck the (weaker) factory workers. It also calls into question why demons at the essential operation killing a god are so weak, and also makes me wonder why all the driders (who are all corrupt) aren't demons.
Demons are just humans with hard and fast (content restricting) rules on certain things to do with sex and reproduction. Of course they barely feature in a furry game.

>>45154
You're exaggerating the prevalence of bad ends. You can rocket to 100 corruption and fuck plenty of demons all day with no problems, most bad ends are for repeat losses/submissions or dungeon encounters. Fen may have neglected them but its absurd to say they weren't intended to be fucked.
>I can't see it.
Desert could have scouts hunting for furrytown. Forests could have mages trying to catch Kitsune to study their magic. Plains could lead into Syrena content by following the bickering demons. Any zone could have rogue demons that are still related to the Lethice conflict by carrying things that will aid you, like Zetaz had the map.
>why you can't fuck the (weaker) factory workers
What? Yes you can, secretary and incubus are fuckable. Are you thinking of the champion "workers" that take over after you kick the demons out? You can't safely fuck them because the option involves letting them shoot you up with crippling drugs.
>It also calls into question why demons at the essential operation killing a god are so weak
Because the game's story progression is sloppily designed. 
>why all the driders (who are all corrupt) aren't demons.
Some are, the ones you encounter just aren't quite there yet.

>>45156
>You're exaggerating the prevalence of bad ends.
Not by much.
>most bad ends are for repeat losses/submissions
not at all
>or dungeon encounters
So literally all demons? I'm talking about losses from wins.
>You can rocket to 100 corruption and fuck plenty of demons all day
You can fuck vapula and ceraph and the desert demons. That's it. I guess that one "drider". There are some non-hostile demons you can fuck; the only demons that you fight that you fuck and don't get bad ended in your own victory rape that aren't in borderline noncanon filler D3 scenes (N.B. some of these badend you) are groups of mostly imps or your slaves.
>Yes you can, secretary and incubus are fuckable
This kills you.
It's pretty clear you haven't played the game. These are literally the scenes I was referring to in >>45135
>Some are, the ones you encounter just aren't quite there yet.
They aren't. There's one randomly added to D3 (which, anatomically, isn't actually a drider), the wild ones are corrupt and are probably born corrupt, but they aren't demons.
<adding shitty demons that aren't threatening which serve as rapebait without changing the fact that demons are weak and not threatening (outside of randomly badending you when you rape them) would make demons threatening
Besides the fact that there's no reason to want this, it definitely wouldn't make demons seem like a threat.
Also, none of the things you described are things the demons have a motivation to do e.g. they've been established as not having an academic interest in magic to the point of losing proficiency. They don't care how kitsune work they are already successfully corrupting them.

>>45155
>>45157
>Some are, the ones you encounter just aren't quite there yet.
I'll make a point of how obviously untrue this is. When you corrupt sheila, she immediately turns everyone she knew into a corpse or a demon. Everything in the swamp is weaker than a drider, or is a drider and is already on 100 corruption, and they're clearly raping everything that has a hole besides maybe the plants (which are extremely corrupt) and some things which don't. A demonic presence would spread there at an exponential rate, but the demons have no reason to engineer this specifically since the glades are being corrupted by marae anyway.

I have a morbid curiosity to know why someone added metaprogesssion shit to CoC

>>45115
Does anyone get off to this shit. Looks retarded, is not relatable in any way, and seems like it's just there for the classic CoC shock value, but that gimmick stopped mattering ages ago.

>>45124
>We need more demons, more frequency to them, and their influence needs to be more damning. The only writer that cared about that, though, is disappearing all the time.
But most demons are (likely) just random villagers who got snatched up, raped, soul sucked, and were tossed aside like a spent torch. It's reasonable for them (just like imps in a way) to only be a real threat in high numbers. Just because one is turned into a demon, doesn't mean they should gain arcane knowledge beyond mortal comprehension. I can see them maybe having more potential for magical arts after they became demons though.
Now, someone like Lethice on the other hand, should be an incredibly terrifying threat, both gameplay and lore wise. You don't get to stay on a throne calling yourself "demon queen" without having the power to back it up. But in contrast, farmer furry who just got ass raped by an imp hoard and lost his soul, might not be a problem for most physically capable individuals. Farmer furry and his whole family though, well, now you might be worried.

>>45123
>The most dangerous things in D3 aren't even demons and you get to see basically the entire roster of what lethice has which is ultimately not much.
D3 is 15% of what it was supposed to be and has four entire minidungeons cut from it, it's borderline noncanon and far from "the entire roster" of what Lethice was supposed to have

the whole "the harpies could beat lethice" thing was Savin fanfiction because he had a boner for the race at the time

>>45163
>is not relatable in any way
back in my day people played coc for obscene tentacle monsters and imps with cocks bigger than their bodies, not tame stuttering insect girls who look at the ground as they shyly if you'd like to go to prom with them and do an anime blush

>>45172
i mean maybe with a highly trained army of weirdass hybrids then maybe? (What do they gain from salamander part of the chimera anyways?)

>>45153
>next to no opportunity for casual sex and wild corrupt promiscuit
not very imaginative are you

>>45163
Appearance wise, and lipples. No. her concept of being a celibate nun, that needs to drink cum or starve, kinda actually yeah. I didn't really care for the visuals or hyper stuff, but I did like being "charitable". Also the scene where her horns make a cock ring that keeps you trapped in her throat till dawn is also hot to me.

>>45174
>What do they gain from salamander part of the chimera anyways?
They gain Savin being able to write about harpies raping his waifu. That's about it. Fenoxo basically checked out from CoC shortly after Savin joined the community and just let him write what he wanted because he didn't care anymore and was friends with him. Because he took over the canon and is now a massive oldfag relative to other writers, people always assume that Savin was there at "the start," but it's not true. CoC was nearly two years old and only 7 months away from TiTS's foundation when Helia was first announced.

Which .as3proj file am I supposed to build with? Using the CoC.as3proj file gives me errors on lines with CONFIG::AIR, and using the one labeled with STANDALONE builds with no errors but in game it breaks when using the storage.
>inb4 hurr just use the mega

>>45179
I don't know, I've never compiled before and don't really know anything about it.

>>45178
STANDALONE
>but in game it breaks when using the storage.
I'm building using flex_sdk_4.5.1.21328A and Eclipse Adoptium\jdk-17.0.1.12-hotspot (32 bit, though I have both installed) with no issues.
>>45184
Then stop replying to these posts you chimpanzee nigger

>>45192
I'm contributing to thread activity, I'm making it lively here

>>45157
>This kills you.
I'm gonna have to whip up a character to test this, because I cannot for the life of me remember encountering those ends. Is 100 corruption the trigger? Could be that I never waited that long to hit the factory on my corrupt runs.
>Also, none of the things you described are things the demons have a motivation to do
Tel'adre is a massive potential source of lethicite, any demon would be interested in that. Kitsune wouldn't be of much interest to average demons, true, but sneaky trickster magic could be appealing to the R&D department that is actively plotting against Lethice.
>When you corrupt sheila, she immediately turns everyone she knew into a corpse or a demon.
The demon threshhold isn't written consistently. Some characters turn easily, some take effort, some get repeatedly gangbanged by demons and it just pisses them off. Sheila's tribe also had a racial mechanic that made them stupidly vulnerable corruption sponges.

>>45196
Looking at the scene, the factory succubus bad ends are
>meeting her with 75 corruption and >= 4 demon score, then choosing to go demon
>talking to her and choosing to get put in the machines
>losing the fight
Pretty sure raping her has never been a bad end, notably it's one of the easiest ways to get a demon cock

I was a female at the time, and after telling Helia that I will grow my own penis to get her pregnant, no matter how many times I fuck her she doesn't seem to get pregnant. 
is this a bug? How can I get her pregnant? Virility Rating: 7

>>45199
I think it was a conversation you have after growing a penis, not just any sex scene, but I actually haven't looked at that in a decade

>>45200
Well, I never had any conversation events after that...I guess I'll have to look forward to the new game+.

>>45193
Thank you for your contributions and valor, anon.

>>45203
When all else fails, you can just activate it with debug

>>45137
Cool, but where's the option to just fuck the cow?

>>45207
you need a horse cock for some reason and sufficient arousal

>>45208
Can you knock them up?

>>45212
I don't know. Whitney probably wonders how the cow got pregnant but has no real reason to voice that bewilderment to you, so just accepts the newborn calf and we'll need to add a scene where you realize the calf is yours and you fuck that one too

>>45213
Based

>>45138
>Also makes sense as there's quite a popular trend of trannies buying this huge shark plushie
It's a staple background item in a bunch of lolicon hentai.

>>45109 (OP) 
Cute loli.
Taking out the vampire lolis for Valentine when?

>>45226
When you write it. Take some initiative, don't wait on 2boo

>>45226
>for Valentine when
Would people in Mareth celebrate Valentine's day? I think they acknowledge Christmas, and maybe halloween, in Tel'Adre, not sure if they talk about any other holidays.

>>45233
There's a Valentine event with Scylla that's basically 75% unfinished because tits was on the verge of release and they didn't give a fuck

Has the loli vamp dude ever actually released anything? I like his ideas but it seems like jack ever comes of it

>>45241
You can check the game's credit menu to see what content everyone has written.

>>45243
Why won't you ever just say "No, he has been stringing us along for years?"

>>45233
They don't seem to celebrate thanksgiving, but the pc makes something of it anyways.>>45233

>>45243
forgot about that

>>45244
Because that would be libel, he has in fact made a few submissions that are in the game.  From my memory alone he has done the MILKY(at least she used to be...) Frog girl, and some stuff with Arian.

>>45244
>Alice Shouldra Possession
>Alternate Frog-Girl
>Amily Additions
      >Pregnant Riding
      >Ring Gifting
      >Snuggling/Morning Blowjob
Arian Affection Menu
>Kiha Additions
       >Kissing
       >Sleep With
>Kitsune Shrine Donation
>Leaving Rubi’s House
>Rocking a Harpy Daughter to Sleep 
While the vampires aren't done, there's a character, and ring gifting scenes for Kiha and Izma, that are waiting for proofreading too.
>>45245
Suppose the player could just celebrate it themselves. Dunno what you'd do on valentine's day; make chocolates to give to your waifus? Tell them about it so they make you some instead? Honestly, I just googled Valentine's day origins, skimmed a bit, and found it used to be a feast day. Maybe you could just eat a meal with all your lovers and kids? Not sure what would be best.

>>45248
>Leaving Rubi’s House

>>45255
I requested that of him. Rubi has blurbs for many different kind of things and you walk to her house together from the bakery. It was always rather weird how you just up and left without a word and felt like an oversight from the original author.

>>2107
I agree with what you're saying, it's kind of dumb. It'd be like making a bear woman named Keha even though there's an unrelated character named Kiha
Sure, they're different names, but it seems like a bit of an oversight to make one so close. 
But, whatever.

>>45248
>A silly-mode scene for kv players, where on the 45th of every in-game year you can buy a box of chocolates in Tel'adre and eat it while sobbing alone in your cabin
>If the player has any followers in the camp, they come to console you one by one, offering you affection and intimacy, but every time you get mad at them for interrupting your alone time, and shoo each one of them away
>Repeating the scene 30 times gives you a perk that unlocks every spell in the game and lets you cast them for no fatigue cost
>Repeating the scene 30 times over the course of 30 irl years gives you a secret ending where you transcend the time and space and gain the power to escape the confines of the game by sending your spirit to impregnate any female in any universe that ever existed, but choose to be reborn as Savin the Cucklord

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If perks received categories to sort them by, what would those be? I'd like to get some input on that while I work on something related to that during the weekend.

>>45263
>Skills
Such as Fan Shot, Berserk, or.... Well, a lot of the combat abilities are actually in the mastery system
>Lust
Fertility +/-, Acclimation, so on
>Event
fera's boon, cornocopia, perks from an event happening rather than leveling
>Transformation
perks from having unique body parts or being a retard(bimbo brains)

I don't know, I just said the first few things that came to mind

>>45153
>I swear to god this is purely your fucking fanwank and you keep posting this shit and it has nothing to do with coc. Nobody, anywhere, is, interacts with, or acts as if there is a type of demon other than the demons and every demon is a demon. All demons are lust demons. Lethice is a "lust demon". Everyone else is a lust demon. That's what the game is about. What the fuck are you talking about?
That's the lore written by Fenoxo. It's not much reflected in vanilla because of the lack of demons (though Lethice does say that she isn't a succubus and implies that succubi are shit), but he's repeatedly said that lust demons are relatively weak and low-ranking, and that there are other types of demons.
Here's the succubus codex entry from Fen's blog.
https://web.archive.org/web/20121027011159/http://fenoxo.com/codex-succubus/
<Social Structure: Succubi and Incubi occupy the second lowest ranking of the demonic social structure, just above imps. The are prone to sloth when not ‘hungry’ and are typically never given more power than command over a few imps.
<Feeding: Like most demons, Succubi gain power from corrupting others

A lot of your posts sound like your own personal interpretation/headcanon with very little evidence or support, and your memory of the game seems to be colored by those opinions, judging from the examples you've brought up that have been flat-out wrong.

>>45153
>No, I'm not at all. What the fuck?
You must be a retard autist because you actually are

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>>45109 (OP) 
So anyone else have a better map of Mareth? I would honestly be interested. Even if its shitty, but has better area layout. Even if its in ms paint. or is just nice to look at.

>>45276
It's a mildly interesting subject in part because spatial relations are so muddied. Enter a state of zen and you can find yourself anywhere in the world unexpectedly. Focus on something and you'll be there no matter where it is in relation to you. 
I'm not even sure if there's limitations to it. There's an ocean in the rift, can you walk from camp to an area on the other side of the ocean? Can you cross truly impassable terrain like that?
Can you get in the boat and row into the rift's ocean?

The spatial distortion makes a map rather arbitrary. Maybe I'll try, aimlessly, to make a map in paint later

>>45260
>>If the player has any followers in the camp, they come to console you one by one, offering you affection and intimacy, but every time you get mad at them for interrupting your alone time, and shoo each one of them away
meta

>>45277
You could use a cloud covering to seperate general areas while still implying a relitively set topography, but also the “misty warpy” nature of Mareth travel. Also, there are hints of some areas being close to each other. I feel in Amiliy scenes, which we get through through first exploring the lake, then the ruins) we  get aspects of the forest (where she ambushes), the Mountains (where the minotaurs come down from). And we know the water from the lack comes down from the mountain where the factory is tainting its water.

There are other various indications made in scenes as well.

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>>45279
>>45277
>>45276
Alright I gave it a bash. The glacial rift is a valley between some very high peaks in the mountain range, becoming insulated from much of the surrounding environments, but water from the glaciers still escapes through various passes and such, as well as being re-fed by the natural cycle of water condensing in the mountains after evaporating in the hotter areas. 
The rift gradually breaks away into warmer southern regions, its ocean becoming almost entirely melted by the time it reaches the swamplands at the far south, feeding a large amount of water to it for the high humidity, and the warm humid swamps carry some water back north to the plains, helping to keep that from becoming a desert.
In theory through could be a cold forested area near the less frozen part of the rift, likely littered with shallow cliffs and mossy rock formations. I like the way that theory fills out some of the space. 

That was actually fairly enjoyable to speculate on. Looks like trash, but whatever

>>45285
Good job anon. I like what you did with the glacier

>>45276
>>45285
As part of my documenting of the in-game lore so I can faithfully keep amending content I have gathered context about Mareth's layout from the existing in-game crap. I'll share with you my notes on it where it seems relevant to what could potentially conflict with what you have.

Plains discovery scene.
>You find yourself standing in knee-high grass, surrounded by flat plains on all sides. Though the mountain, forest, and lake are all visible from here, they seem quite distant.

Glacial Rift discovery & description.
>You walk for some time, roaming the hard-packed and pink-tinged earth of the demon-realm of Mareth. As you progress, a cool breeze suddenly brushes your cheek, steadily increasing in intensity and power until your clothes are whipping around your body in a frenzy. Every gust of wind seems to steal away part of your strength, the cool breeze having transformed into a veritable arctic gale. You wrap your arms around yourself tightly, shivering fiercely despite yourself as the hard pink dirt slowly turns to white; soon you’re crunching through actual snow, thick enough to make you stumble with every other step. You come to a stop suddenly as the ground before you gives way to a grand ocean, many parts of it frozen in great crystal islands larger than any city.

My notes are an absolute unsorted mess, but some other things of note is that the bog is very much a deeper extension of the swamp and distinct from it. The density of the fauna is one of the more noticeable distinctions. The same goes for the forest and the deepwoods. There is also not a single mention of any large body of water like an ocean anywhere in the game aside from the glacial rift, so it's hard to imagine it being near one of the most hospitable places in the game.

>>45290
also if we're being sperglords lumi should be at the fetish cathedral

>>45291
She was never written into it, only planned, so not really

>>45285
Nice. Something else that I apreciate is that this reflects the sequence of discoverable areas.
YOur first three are almost always forest, Desert, Lake, and mountain.

This might be me being New, but what is that tower of deception? Is that within the volcanic crage? Also I always got the implication that the Player camp was is a somewhat verdant, area with trees and stuff, at least a little.

Anyways, I agree This is a pretty fun experiment too look at as well. Think it should be the next OP image. ALso, I wouldnt say trash, Its pretty clean for a quick mock up. More than usable.

>>45290
I'm looking at the image and reading the quotes, but I don't see what the conflict is. Could you explain it?

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>>45297
The camp is located in an empty area simply labeled as a waste with no real description other than the nearby stream that feeds into the lake. The concept map posted on the fen forums long ago doesn't even include the stream.

>>45300
hm, I guess But I could have sworn there were a few camp scenes mentioning trees. Like corrupt jojo would come out of the woods back into your camp when called.

>>45300
>a waste with no real description other than the nearby stream
I swear I had more, somewhere. I should sort through this crap some day.

Camp portal description, pressing explore for the first time.
>...Wait a second, why is your campsite in front of you? The portal’s glow is clearly visible from inside the tall rock formation.

Camp portal description, discovering the Lake.
>Your wanderings take you far and wide across the barren wasteland that surrounds the portal,

Intro after punting Zetaz.
>You look around, surveying the hellish landscape as you plot your next move. The portal is a few yards away, nestled between a formation of rocks. It does not seem to exude the arousing influence it had on the other side. The ground and sky are both tinted different shades of red, though the earth beneath your feet feels as normal as any other lifeless patch of dirt. You settle on the idea of making a camp here and fortifying this side of the portal. No demons will ravage your beloved hometown on your watch.
Now the whole "Mareth is actually on Mars" crap is only mentioned in a handful of places with many more that contradict it. It can safely be either ignored or chalked up to Fenoxo being a single take kind of guy and never ever bothering to revisit or rewrite/amend past things later on.

>>45302
That's clearly alluding to the forest area bordering the wasteland.

>>45304
maybe so. but wouldnt that be a good distance away? anyways, not a big deal. just in my mind its always was more of a lightly forested area with grass and stuff. but that just be me idealizing it.

>>45300
IIRC the stream was a mod addition. There's also this more recent map they made for their D&D campaign.

>>45306
Weird, it didn't post. Lets try that again.

>>45285
If you want some autism, iirc the first place you discover while exploring is the lake. I guess the side nearest the camp is clear of trees.

>>45306
Wasn't it directly relevant to Izma's follower content? Interacting with it is a mod addition, but it was there in vanilla in Izma's content

>>45308
You can go anywhere without crossing the distance between, it's kind of a long standing feature of the world

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>>45306
One more try. If that doesn't work its also here on the Xianxia wiki. https://cocxianxia.fandom.com/wiki/Mareth

And here's the D&D playlist, if anyone wants to bother combing through it for the town maps. At a glance I saw Owca and the bazaar, and I'm sure Tel'Adre gets one.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbjSZMMKBiNAsqKZAOdWkgCh5AgLZSN-4

>>45290
>>45310
i had almost forgotten the autistic discussions from years ago about red mareth and the teleport travelling, so why could you not just let me forget, anon?
both these things are interesting in game i guess but completely fall apart when not mentioned or used any where in the game except for at most five times mentioned
>it's kind of a long standing feature of the world
it is nothing but a excuse to not have to account for time
it is a botched feature not ever used or explained where it would need to be explained because there are many instances where the player or even npcs would but do not use it
it has actually made me hate the lore of this game

>>45299
I thought I included it but now I can't find it. I suppose the first quote is ambiguous about it, but the plains are directly connected to the mountains as minotaurs come down specifically from there to the plains.

>>45312
Mareth being on Mars because of super corruption is stupid but forgivable. I strongly stand by the fact that the teleportation travelling is as summarized here and a terrible feature for the game for many different reasons.

>>45311
This like many other maps even when made for or endorsed by the people who worked on the game is just not an accurate representation when compared to what is known from in-game.

>>45312
>>45313
To be honest, I never saw much issue with the strange space stuff. It raises some questions, like precisely what are the limitations? However, it also avoids some much harder ones, like "where is everything in relation to everything else? How vast is this area? How do we get to this location? Shouldn't the times we travel differ? If we addressed all this, what about adding additional locations? Would that mess with content?"
On a very simple writing angle, either case can be pretty much ignored and left unaddressed. In terms of references to travel, it is proven trivial to write around either case. 

The player doesn't know the limitations of the mechanic, though, and that makes it easier to ignore some of the particular use cases like "What obstacle is impassible if you can just think and truncate the journey? Can you pass over walls? If not, what's really a wall? There's surely elevation changes, rocks, and so forth. When does something become a barrier?"
This is a completely foreign means of traversing space, and most people just won't dwell on the details. Meanwhile, if it were conventional travel, you know how traveling works. You understand it fundamentally and engage with it every day in your real life. You are likely to be cognizant of the questions at least on some level.

But setting all the practical discussion aside, I think we probably could answer all the questions about how this truncated space works and have no issues at the end of it. I truly believe that Mareth's space fuckery is easier to deal with than actually addressing time and space conventionally. 
>On the easiest point of all: Why.
The same fuckery that makes unstable portals throughout the cosmic landscape funnel into Mareth, inescapably, also distorts space within Mareth itself. Whatever causes it to behave that way with portals affects more aspects as well. Simple as. Ties together well.
Do go on, lets' get some specific examples of what the space mechanic messes up. Let's hear it out and think about it.

>>45316
>However, it also avoids some much harder ones, like "where is everything in relation to everything else? How vast is this area? How do we get to this location? Shouldn't the times we travel differ?
But these questions don't get solved with that at all and still have to be written off with the in-game clock being just a game mechanic with everything taking an hour. The travelling doesn't account for taking an hour to have a short conversation with someone in your camp or things like that. It's an antiquated mechanic that doesn't add anything and just makes things more convoluted than they should be.
>I truly believe that Mareth's space fuckery is easier to deal with than actually addressing time and space conventionally. 
It's not, because time is not only a factor in travelling but also what you do afterwards which still needs to be ignored despite all this. It's both easier and better to have specific time just be what it is supposed to be which is just a game mechanic and nothing more than broad strokes. Muddying that with all sorts of weird fuckery like this does not improve anything at all.
>The same fuckery that makes unstable portals throughout the cosmic landscape funnel into Mareth, inescapably, also distorts space within Mareth itself. Whatever causes it to behave that way with portals affects more aspects as well. Simple as. Ties together well.
Nice headcannon.
>Do go on, lets' get some specific examples of what the space mechanic messes up. Let's hear it out and think about it.
How come no NPCs ever use it? How come that it seems to work at will you can't consistently run away? Why would having an enemy nearby prevent you from disappearing? Why when you run away sucessfully it does work? Why isn't it mentioned by a single soul in the entire game? Why would demons even be an issue when you can easily stay as far away as you want from them so easily?

I could ask many more things, but I have a feeling it won't matter and you'll just drag it out with more headcannon and baseless reasoning. But the fact remains, it's such a hand wave of a mechanic that absolutely nothing is known about it nor established, and everything has to be thought up by people how it could work.

>>45316
I always assumed the travel "mechanic" worked as follows: You can only 'mind' travel to places you've already been. If you can't visualize it properly, it doesn't work. It also only works over long distances. For example, fast traveling from camp to the lake works, but the distance from Tel'Adre's tailor shop to the gym would be too short to trigger it.

>>45316
>Let's hear it out and think about it.
why does the bazaar need wagons to travel long distances when they could just pack everything up and travel instantly in an hour time then?
retard

>>45316
Just do a detailed write up of exactly how it works with proof from what is in the game if you think it should be shoehorned back into the game and its writing.

>>45321
As a portable house.
As a portable shop.
To carry their stuff.
It wouldn't make sense not to have the wagons, if they can. A whole lot of benefits, no downside except having to maintain wagons (which is more than made up for by the time and effort they save).

>>45323
so the people without wagons that have tents just walk alongside them for the sake of it instead of just blinking where they want to go?

>>45324
There is no blinking, the warpy shit shortens the distance between destinations but you still have to do some actual walking, so anyone with large loads would still want wagons.

>>45324
Who says you can't warp in a wagon the same as on foot?

>>45316
The mechanic is just nowhere to be found in the game except for a select few and far between cases that are all the the very first day of the game. Even something simple and basic like walking back home with a new camp member in tow doesn't mention it.

The entire thing is nothing but an eyesore to the game and a leftover from early laziness to just wave off having time matter.

>>45319
>Nice headcannon.
well that is the point being brought up. Think about the questions and come up with answers. Thanks for complimenting the answer I came up with.
>How come no NPCs use it
Amily does. There's at least 2 other examples brought up in the past but I forget. Implicitly everyone uses it, but that's a non-answer
>can't consistently run away? why work when it does?
A good question, and I'd suppose it could be that too much of your mental faculty is being spent on evading them, you can't clear your mind and visualize the location you want to go to until you have enough distance to think for a moment, uninterrupted.
Maybe there's a more complicated explanation you can come up with, like regarding group travel in particular, but no need to make it more complicated than it needs to be if the first explanation suffices.
>Why would demons matter if you can stay far away
Their travel abilities would be the same as yours, so the distance you can achieve doesn't accomplish anything defensively. They probably have some decent idea of where the most ideal places to 'settle' are, where potable water would be, where the terrain is livable, and so they'll check there and use just as much of the space fuckery to avoid the areas people aren't likely to be in
And then those that do hide are limited by their capacity to survive an inhospitable location or they have to come out of hiding to a potential hotspot. A settlement becomes harder to set up, but nomadic groups and individuals potentially get an edge, maybe.
>I have a feeling you'll drag it out with more headcanon
But that's literally the point? There's little to no lore, so I posed the discussion of lets figure out these answers.
Did you think I thought the game had some deep, hidden, well-thought-out lore about this stuff? I thought I was clear about it earlier.

>>45328
>no need to make it more complicated than it needs to be
That's how I feel about this entire thing existing.

>>45329
That's fair

>>45328
>Their travel abilities would be the same as yours, so the distance you can achieve doesn't accomplish anything defensively.
<notice a demon
<don't initiate combat
<think of a place far away
<easily fast travel without the demon having any clue where you went
its almost as if this mechanic fucking sucks

>>45331
The player does this sometimes, I'm pretty sure. An encounter or event happens and, before the fight can take off, the player chooses to book it back home.
It's silly because the mechanic doesn't actually matter for this. Even without it, seeing something dangerous and deciding to leave before it takes notice and assails you is just pretty normal and typical. 
So, your remark isn't raising a problem, just pointing out another thing that doesn't need to be changed if the mechanic was axed.

>>45311
Those maps were knocked up by Adjatha for the campaign and are not accurate to the story
the d&d campaign was years after everyone in that video had told coc players to play tits or go fuck themselves, you are hitting the crack pipe if you think anything in it is canon

>>45332
That only happens in instances where the entity in question has not seen you at all.

>>45324
It's not a teleportation, it's a shortening of distance. It's like when you're driving a long distance, space out, and get there before you know it. It's a lot harder to do that while arguing with a passenger, but if everyone in the vehicle is silently getting along, or even chatting amiably, the effect is shared.

>>45303
If the campsite is in a barren wasteland, it really begs the question why its not attacked more due to visibility.

>>45351
Who out there is just wandering a wasteland looking to see if anything might be in it?

>>45352
Imps, but it's so easy to get a companion that guards your camp forever that you tend to forget that it's even in the game.

>>45352
You have a point, but the location of the portal is known, and Zetaz is supposed to deliver a person regularly from there to the factory. Even if the higher up demons don't care, the overseer should realize something's off and send someone to investigate eventually.

>>45355
You know, you have a point. It's a minor thing, as you can imagine they just assume the imp got fucked up or bailed, and they can't be bothered. They are lacking for cattle in the factory, there's no pressing need to investigate, and lust demons are notoriously lazy. 
The overseer would probably just shrug, lean back in her office, and say "if we see Zetaz or the sacrifice, they'll get what's coming to them. Not like they'll do any harm though, the world will probably do our job for us."
Maybe a little bit more awareness in the factory about that would be better. More of an acknowledgement that they considered checking in on that portal and tracking you down, but figured the world would ruin you and nobody higher up would care that their factory output hasn't gone any higher. 
Then for their arrogance, you wreck them.

The warping thing is some bullshit, but for the sake of discussion, I always assumed only mc experienced this phenomena and like >>45320 said, assumed it only took mc place's they'd been, but only only between the portal camp and that location. This would explain the time spent clicking "Explore". You had to actually traverse terrain in real time to find a place to warp to.

>>45356
They really wouldn't have any reason to care until you hit the factory. The idea of a random villager with some token training going all doomguy and toppling their leadership within a year is so absurd it wouldn't even occur to them or especially their superiors. You aren't the first person to slip away, Ingnam's portal isn't the only one they were using for sacrifices, and Marae is so close to snapping that they'll probably be done with the factory by the time the next champion is due anyway.

Few questions here (apologies if I sound like a nube)...

Is Joy (Bimbo Jojo) and Celeste in this mod? Can't seem to trigger either of them.
Is there a real use for Akbal's Pelt, the Desert Rose, or the Abyssal Shard or is this in development?
Did I miss the trick to get through the maze in the Tower of Deception?
And finally, where is the Pillar of Apotheosis located, or must I get through the Tower of Deception first.

Thank you for your time and potential advice.

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>>45366
No, yes, no, yes, no, yes, and no. Not in that order.

>>45366
>Is there a real use for Akbal's Pelt, the Desert Rose, or the Abyssal Shard or is this in development?
Stop fucking around in the debug menu if you're not going to know what you're doing and asking stupid shit instead.

>>45366
>being so fucking retarded as to use the debug menu to get things and then being completely lost as to what they're for
or alternatively
>not fucking reading any of hte content that gets you shit and then being lost about what the items are for
Either way you're a retard, fuck off.

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Hey people with strong English skills
it'd be real epic and cool of you to look at the Quality Control section of the chronicles and read through things, pointing out mistakes and errors so they can be slated for coding
>>44061

Are Beehive and Church of Fetish even in game as dungeons?

>>45115
Need an option to purify her.

>>45372
>>45373

Um, hi. Not sure what makes you think I'm messing around in the debug menu when I mentioned those items when I got them legitimately (meaning as >>45367 mentioned, I was playing the game). 

The Abyssal Shard I got from the Old Manor that Lady Headless (forgot her name, but her real name is Evelyn) leads you to. You can't even sell it.

The Desert Rose I got from a fight with this scorpion in (guess where?) the desert. I've tried using it at the Lake, the Boat, the Swamp, and my camp. The only result I get is at the camp where I sprinkle a little water on it and it shows signs of revival. It literally has no value at Oswald's, so I'm not inclined to sell it.

Akbal's Pelt I got from (guess who) Akbal, particularly when I defeated his Fera-enhanced form. Upon getting it, part of its description at the end of the story literally said "just hold on it, there will be a use for it later". (see, I can read too). My question with that is has that use been developed or are we still waiting. Or is this game no longer in development and is considered complete?

Feraquest is seasonal sillymode content, it doesn't lead anywhere

>>45379
>reddit spacing
Play the game, read what it tells you, and if you're still somehow stuck, the code is open for anyone to look at. Please lurk more.

lmao, autists getting this mad randos haven't memorized every detail of a shitty flash game.

Found (some of) the problems. See, I'm playing on Android and some of the stuff found on the .swf isn't there, like the map during the maze (figured it out BTW) or Ceraph (not Celeste) content. Also Joy isn't in this build apparently (thanks whoever suggested looking at the source code).

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>>45115
Polarizing character. Needs tweaking. Naturally I'm just an Idea Guy™ but off the top of my head
>Remove or tone down the expansion fetish a bit to not have every scene turn into "and then her tits and ass become the size of zeppelins!". If her influence still affects the player, have it change semen production instead of increasing testicle size
>Play up the cum addiction and the contrast between needing it to live and wanting to remain as chaste as possible. This was already somewhat done, but bad, resulting in her becoming an oral slut with very few qualms because "muh demon influence"
>Remove the size limit because if she's just after cum, why would a nun care about dick size unless she was already a demon? But if that's the case, how did she get past the gatekeepers when we get stopped at 0 corruption while exgargatuan is inside us?
The framework is all there, but it got bogged down by a lot of unneeded shit. She's clearly meant to be a nun who, through prayer and willpower, has somewhat suppressed the worst of what the factory has done to her. However, it's not perfect and her "inner demon" slips out when she is fed. We, as players, have some similar problems potentially (Slime Hunger, Parasite Hunger, Minotaur Additction) so maybe using those as inspiration for her own plight might be a good idea.
As a nun lover, I have a strong bias towards how I feel like she should be handled, but I think some of her events like initially meeting her while she's in prayer and starved, or how she's leading a help group, are good. These are a good idea of how I think she should go: "Trying to help, but not being very good at it because at least part of her needs cum to live". If I had the skill to actually write anything I'd add more events like this, where Scylla tries to help around the city with varying levels of success.
However, and I want to put this in red to stress how blueballed I feel over it not existing already, there should be a scene where her and Dominika meet. The player has a dream about it and there's no payoff in a "real world" version of that event.
That being said, the idea of "Oral-only nun" isn't original so there's plenty of material to draw upon with varying levels of (relative) normalcy to them.

>>45100
>Favorite Character
Generic Goblins or Ceraph, probably. The former is kind of cute in how gung-ho they are about chasing dick. Just "Sup! I'm gonna fuck you!" and a "Thanks for the cum, homie!" if you do fuck them after. Nice girls. The latter I kind of ended up treating like a rival character for the early game, regularly butting heads with her and winning/losing often as we fought. When I first learned you can collar her I was actually excited because it felt like a payoff.

>Favorite bit of content
The Fera corruption scenes. My main gripe with the game is that the corruption doesn't feel like you're being corrupted. Fera's scenes are all chok full of them, from use of drugs and hypnosis, to going over the player's mental-space while she's filling your head with new influences. Not to mention your actual corruption jumps up after each one by a noticeable bit. Then later the option to resist her is added, but she just says "Yeah it's happening anyways" and skips the "Anesthetic" and just ramps her claws into you to make her alterations as she sees fit. Shouldra can comment on your change if she's with you, and the Akbal quest is fun. If I were to add anything I'd want to be able to build a shrine or get a small "Quest" to hunt different creatures. Similar to the parasite hunger but without it being parasites. Like...
>Player Gets the second Fera Boon
>Builds a shrine in camp
>Prays to Fera, who gives him/her a vision of hunting/fucking a certain number of specific monsters
>Upon completing this, Fera gives a buff or access to a new special move that lasts a few days

Honorable mention to the Nephilia quest. Even though the fetish wasn't one I enjoyed, the fact that, again, the player's transformation felt like actual corruption instead of "The player is a bit hornier", was nice. Kind of wish they had gone with the kitsune "Hammerspace vagina" answer instead of becoming so obese that you have to send a copy of yourself out instead. Maybe maxing out and locking the thickness to 100 so you were always "Girthy" because you were a parasite breeding machine, but that's about as far as I'd have  liked it to go. I would try to fix it, but I can't write worth a damn when it comes to smut and it'd just go the way of Joy or the Forest Gown.

>>45394
>she just says "Yeah it's happening anyways" and skips the "Anesthetic" and just ramps her claws into you to make her alterations as she sees fit
One of my favorite parts too. I really like the sense of danger and "you've freed something incredibly dangerous and no one knows what she's going to end up doing"
She even seems to get an extra thrill out of your resistance. She will "thank" you for helping her, whether you like it or not, but the feistiness is appreciated. She doesn't want someone weak as her champion.
>Honorable mention to the Nephila
Dishonorable. Much more content than Fera, but so much is copy-pasted, and what's original is often written incredibly poorly. Int he sense of really corrupting your body, I get it, but I've seen better parasite content than that. Hell, it's bottom of the barrel for almost every fetish that comes into play. It severely disappointed me. 
I'd rather suck a plague rat off.
>I can't write worth a damn and it'd just go the way of Joy or the gown
I respect the self-awareness, but if you have a huge interest in doing something, the thread can collectively criticize and pick apart everything you write so you can improve upon it. 
You might give up because of all the effort that doesn't make it into the game while you're still learning, or maybe you keep getting better until you can do your ideas justice. The attitude of your post overall is nice, and we see eye-to-eye on some aspects. I personally would like to see you attempt to build on your desired content, whether that works out or not.

>>45391
This shit is in DoL for some reason

>>45397
Foreskin ripping to signify virginity?

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>>45391
If we're bringing up old thread memes
fluffy tails kitsunes will not work! (kitsunes kitsunes will work)

>>45398
>You feel your foreskin separate from your glans, forever robbing you of your purity.

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>>45391

>>45401
please stop sharing pictures of me, i did not give you permission to do this

>>45399
back to coc 2, upvote epic style teh fl00fy tailz of teh floofy floofs vermin

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Speaking of really old stuff, there's an old unused Marae sprite edit that greatly increases contrast and makes the tree taller, with leaves visible

The existing sprite is short, fat, and so low contrast you can barely tell what it is.

>>45404
Do you have any other such sprites?

>>45405
I don't know, maybe. I have a mess of files, but I think Marae is the only one that isn't in game and also wasn't one I just scrapped. 
Or maybe I did scrap it and can't remember why

>>45404
Looks like a kneeling horse slut when you squint a little

>>45391
Still funny as fuck.

>>45366
Who the fuck is celeste?

>>45417
Xianxia

Sharks.

Ten years ago today(thereabouts), /vg/ was created. One of the first threads ever posted on it was /cocg/ - a Corruption of Champions general. Its users influenced much of CoC's development throughout 2012 and proved worthy adversaries for the game's furry community before the general's decline and fall.

What's your favorite /cocg/ submission?
>Lottie
>Shouldra
>Basilisks
>Sandtraps
>Benoit
>Defurred Amily
>Dedicked Izma and Izmael
>Lilium
>Chameleon girl
>Ro'gar
>Owca
>Vapula
>Phylla
>Izumi

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>>45422
>shouldra
On release, a lot shittier, just a walking fetish and way too stupid goofy. Better than exgargantuan, but that's a bar so low you have to dig to get under it.
I like her now. Mixed feelings, but generally positive.
>Defurred Amily
Obviously good to have, valuable submission, but not much to it, and the process doesn't appeal to me so much as the end result. 
The end result is very little content, it's just a small change to a few words here and there. I appreciate it, but it'd be a stretch to call it a favorite.
>Dedicking
Handy, nice, and even fits the character and content. You're putting her down, removing that dick, making her less capable of being assertive, on top of her already accepting her place as a beta regardless. 
A good end result, but a process that makes sense and is content in itself. I appreciate that.
>Phylla
Big gaps in content, complete and total lack of knowing anything about ants, some choices in the writing are just bad, but it's a pretty big chunk of content, and a lot of the components to it are nice even if the thing overall is super flawed. 
She's up there, I guess. 

I don't know. I'm underwhelmed by these choices. It's not very reasonable to expect the bar to be raised to Sylvia or Marielle tier. Even our own mod would struggle to keep a quality level like that besides from those authors themselves. And these choices listed are definitely a huge step up from some other examples like the original release of the fetish cult or revamp's lizan rogue. 
There's a lot worse and a lot better out there. I'm just a bit underwhelmed.
...Phylla, I guess. On the grounds that she's a big project that has the most potential without needing to gut as much as Shouldra. Izumi is reasonably solid, but feels like more work to make as good as Phylla.
If I had to base my pick off merely what's good as-is... Dedicking Izma I guess. It's a small package, it has in-character, in-universe reason to exist, the end-result satisfies the out-of-character desires of many players, it's accomplishes a lot while being built into the game sensibly, unlike defurring Amily where how and why you do it isn't that deeply tied to anything about the character or setting. More of a "we can do this in this setting, and we want the outcome, so lets' do it"
Good to have for my personal tastes, but 100% I find it better to bypass having the defurring scene and using our no-fur toggle from the get-go. If the content is best completely bypassed rather than having the process add anything, it's just too shallow. 

>Best as-is
Dedicking Izma
>Favorite for scale and potential
Phylla

>>45422
Tempted to pick Benoit just for being a shopkeeper that's more than a vending machine, though I've never actually played through any of his sexual content to know what it's like and it would probably ruin my image of him as an angry old man ranting about the basilisks back on the mountain.
So after that... hm, didn't the owca writer do the fap arena as well? That's so over-the-top goofy I'd probably choose it for that reason alone, especially since it's self-contained unlike shouldra.

So anyone know where to find some of the deleted Pastebin stuff? Specifically I was looking for Kelly's Foals.

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>>45425
>didn't the owca writer do the fap arena as well? 
He did. In fact, it was his first submission, and caused a controversy because of Fen's decision to gate it behind Silly Mode without warning after it was donated for and added. He only reverted it after backlash from /vg/ and a subsequent poll.

The fap arena's author, PKD, decided that his next project would be based on a suggestion from /vg/, since his own ideas were apparently unpopular. One anon wrote out a brief outline for a village of farmers under threat from bandits in the plains; another suggested making them part-sheep people and that the bandits should be demons.

There was that guy doing the anubis stuff
He took the criticisms he was getting pretty well, went over his thoughts, and then decided, with advice from other anons, he'd do scenes for existing characters/creatures first to get practice

what happened to him?

>>45432
That was what, three years ago? There's been so many like him—come in, write something, post it, get feedback, return to the drawing board, disappear. Not everyone has the autism to see things through and keep up their own interest over weeks, months, years.

>>45374
My english skills are shit and it's the only language I speak. Is my help still wanted?

>>45437
You could read content listed and remark about the more non-technical things, like how it reads in flow and pacing, or what you think of the creative choices or if there's missing options.
Proofreaders sometimes get all wrapped up in objectivity. You could be the one to come in and say "But shouldn't there be a button to offer to buy this instead of fighting about it?" or "The button says tentacle fun, but that shouldn't really force anal. Here in <this part> you could probably branch it so the player gets a choice"

Or, if nothing else, hype up what's written so others take interest and the writer feels like the effort isn't wasted and they should really keep trying to add more.

Is anybody working on any kind of party system?

>>45440
>you will never lose to gnolls with Helia in your party and jerk your tiny champ dicklet as they give her the greatest orgasm of her life and then behead her, the salamander's face permanently frozen in a look of ecstasy that you could never have given her even in death
bait aside even if we did have the herculean manpower needed to achieve such a system it would either cause a shitstorm because of the above reason or be practically pointless

>>45440
Because the game wasn't built with the possibility in mind, it'd be pretty weird and funky in a hell of a lot of content. Entire sex scenes would either need rewriting or lazily waved in a way that feels immensely contrived. Everywhere.
Solo combat can be built with party levels of complexity, the party system is just an abstraction of underlying mechanics arbitrarily identified as multiple people. 

However, that said, you might be shocked to find out yes. In the efforts to standardize many of the combat systems, a ton of attacks have be altered to recognize a [target] rather than strictly referring to the player. As far as sheer battle mechanics go, some allowances exist. There's also efforts even on a writing side to add more enemy parties to fight, and the mod has had a targeting system to change who you are attacking for many years, plus a ton of multi-target abilities. 
I think adding a player-party outside of very restricted circumstances (like the Kiha event in the swamp) is just not in the cards. It fucks up too much, it would have had to be in mind from the start. But the means of making more events and circumstances to permit it are in. If you wanted to write a quest that results in taking a few people from camp with you into a dungeon or area, that's probably going to be very doable.

>>45441
I'm gonna be real, that kind of scenario completely slipped my mind when I asked. I just figured it might be a good way to get some actual use out of the pregnancy mechanic by allowing players to party up with whatever spawn they happened to have mothered/sired. High corruption players being able to lead a small band of imps or host a nest of tentacles for instance, and get some actual use out of it aside from more scenes.

>>45443
In a game where the entire objective of everyone isn't just, more sex, this system would work wonders.  Did they ever actually fix that bit for CoC2 or do companions just magically teleport away every time you get raped at the end of battle?

>>45444
More effort is put into coc 2's "watch while your companion gets raped" scenes than the actual win scenes

>>45443
>lose to a minotaur
>deploy chaff children and escape unmolested

>>45443
>>45444
>High corruption players being able to lead a small band of imps or host a nest of tentacles for instance
I don't see why this wouldn't work as is. The companion just needs to be something that's neither sympathetic to the player nor interesting to the target (imps fit this bill), or something effectively dead if you are effectively dead (some sort of linked tentacle).

fellas how feasible is it to add centaur checks and unique outcomes to every scene?

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Thoughts?
https://exhentai.org/g/2132877/1ebab7c1a3/
Personally I find it nice to see how some other people visualize certain parts of the setting or characters
Also which one of you faggots posted that wall in the comments?

>>45450
There's not that many scenes
go nuts
If you do it nobody will maintain it for you if anything ever gets added though
>implying anything will get added

>>45450
It's genuinely very feasible, but it takes the dedication of a huge centaur fan that also likes all the scenes. 
Generally, writers don't incorporate centaurs by default because the logistics change a lot more than they would for, say, naga. When your ass and genitals are far out of reach, a lot doesn't really add up anymore. People need to maneuver around each other differen, embracing completely changes during sex, anything that relates the orientation of your tits with your groin just won't work. 
But if you are really into centaurs and you want to do it, you can use every existing scene as a blueprint of "basically, this is the scene" and rewrite a few paragraphs of it so player and other people move around accordingly, so positions change, probably a lot more "doggy style" happens(horse style?), and make sure that if you have to throw out a lot of details, you replace them appropriately. 
It's doable, but a ton of tedium to any writer to account for in most scenes.
Expect it to be proofread and implemented eventually. If you're new to this stuff, you'll have to apply fixes after a proofreader points them out to you in the thread

>>45451
>which one of you faggots posted that wall in the comments
He's right about Urta though. And Aunt Nancy. And Niamh come to look at her
and Marble. And Edryn. christ
and Tel'Adre isn't in the forest
AND URTA WAS PISSING IN THE ALLEYWAY NOT DRIBBLING PRE
AND MARBLE DIDN'T HAVE A NOSERING

STOP GETTING COC WRONG!!!!

>>45451
>there might be a physical copy coming in the future
sasuga savin
spend five years trying to kill the game because it just won't go away and then greenlight a bland animu defurred version for a quick buck lulz

>>45432
People just fucking disappear here, reminds me also of that guy that was doing another vampire girl and just stopped posting.

>>45458
Was he the one that wrote a codex about vampires and how the first vampire ever was named Vampirio?

>>45459
Maybe? There was 2 other people making vampire girls not countering 2hufag if i remember correctly.
There is also that guy that had a idea of a shark girl from the artic or something.
And that guy that wanted to expand the goblins to create a literal cult with your goblin daughters.
And a lot other stuff.

A lot of ideas that never did go anywhere.

>>45460
I don't miss any of those people, fortunately. 
I miss Yuribot. 
I bet Helboi still visits.

>>45443
>I just figured it might be a good way to get some actual use out of the pregnancy mechanic by allowing players to party up with whatever spawn they happened to have mothered
CoC actually has shockingly little support for easily mothering children. Compared to say, TiTS which has two (three, actually) trivially editable values that give a quadratic (cubic) rate of broodmothering (speed, number, (wombs)) the CoC implementation of pregnancy speed is cataclysmic hack that frequently breaks a function that already breaks itself for a variety of other reasons in being tied to the time passing loop, which has an especially hard time with anything that passes more than one hour, including sleep, as well as having subfunctions half of which erase each other's messages (alarune transformation isn't in the main file with body resetting stuff, for instance).
Having children with izma is a fucking slog as a feMC, for instance. The camp attack imp pack that's triggered from having imp children doesn't even have victory scenes. Despite the background it's the game is surprisingly barren of content for this sort of thing.

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If an Alice somehow found a bunch of mortals that had no contact with demons before, she could probably terrorize them with basic black magic and illusions. Smug demon loli that doesn't have to get her ass kicked for once and can just play with her food. Make people serve her. 
Eventually another demon finds the little settlement and beats the shit out of her in front of everyone just for laughs. 
It's kind of like the story of Vapula if she was alone and not witha  gang. Just some low tier shitter and then a champ rolls into town and fucks her up. Shame she's not a loli.

>>45451
We should all appreciate his work and there's a natural revulsion to shitting on the guy considering he's the only artist right now who seems to remember that CoC ever existed (unless you count the poor bastards that Savin and co keep throwing money at in the hope they'll draw the next viral CoC 2 character but it never happens). On the other hand, what made CoC stand out to me and what I think still makes it stand out is that not every character was the same Eastern-inspired sameface 10% neko. Whitney is a dog. She's not "Marble, but a little thinner and with dog ears and a dog tail, or "Urta but blonde and without the (partially human for some reason?) horsecock." She's a fucking dog. How far do we take this watering down? Why is Aunt Nancy's spider body gone? Will Helia's tail be considered too silly because tails cannot be on fire and be changed into a regular tail? Is Scylla just going to be another noseless :) girl wearing an "I Love Jesus" t-shirt?

The guy obviously did his research on the game (at least it seems like he did - he placed Dominika and Ro'gar in the bar yet didn't realize that Tel'Adre is in the desert?) so to scrap all of that and go "nuh uh, can't draw muzzles, everyone looks the same now" for CoC is borderline retarded. I'd respect him a little bit more if I believed he'd drawn them that way because he was on the nofur bandwagon but I suspect he just can't do faces.

Right now, we have shark daughters who worry about not having a dick, a la
>but, really, it's not a bad thing to be all girl, okay? You're beautiful just the way you are, never forget it.] She sweeps her offspring into her arms.");
You could extend this for female players to something like
>but, really, it's not a bad thing to be all girl, okay?" + (!player.hasCock() && player.hasVagina() ?  " Just look at our Alpha." : "") + " You're beautiful just the way you are, never forget it.] She sweeps her offspring into her arms.");
But really, the whole concept doesn't work. The shark girls already look like the parent who's the alpha.
I feel like there was another similar scene but I couldn't find it. Maybe I was thinking I'd like to make fun of the tigershark with the small dick for having a dick at all, not sure.

>>45442
>If you wanted to write a quest that results in taking a few people from camp with you into a dungeon or area, that's probably going to be very doable.
Makes me wish that we have the choice before going into the harpy tower to either let Helia go around or storm in with us. That would be fun but requires good writing and someone that knows how to write for her.

>>45321
Because carrying a fuck ton of stuff at once is a pain in the ass without wagons

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The alice watersports scene is so fucking awkward, retarded, and nonsensical that I have to assume the writer took revamp's watersports scenes as prime examples of how they're done.
I know my kinks are bad, but does my character have to drop all their int immediately just to engage in it? 
It's like Kitteh himself put on a shawl and crawled into the thread to contribute so no one would know he's a pedophile that loves lolis. I'm so fucking disappointed. I think I gained autism from reading it. At least revamp scenes had me mentally prepared to resist the autism.

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If you could have any removed content rewritten and re-implemented, what would it be?
Alternatively, if you could have any abandoned work brushed off and finished, which would it be?

>>45491
>Alternatively, if you could have any abandoned work brushed off and finished, which would it be?

wild sharkgirl/goblin daughters integrating into camp.

>>45492
Tell me what you can about shark girl culture on polyamory, harems, and izma's personal views of that stuff. I'd figure it wouldn't be hard at all to convince your beta to care for your other daughters and accept them like they were hers. 
But there would need to be some us vs them competitiveness between Izma's daughters and the wilds, probably some superiority boasting based on not being in some pampered safe haven and having to fight against others outside the family, and other wild creatures. 
One of those things where they'll mostly integrate fine, but random little snippets of rivalry intermixed with the unifying point that the player is their father and or mother.
Izma's brood could use their higher rate of tigersharks as a point of their favor. They have the strength of a tigershark in their blood, genetically predisposed to be even stronger and more dominant, though much of it empty or even misunderstood. They just make up reasons one side is better than the other. Nevertheless, they end up family, and don't truly hate each other. 
>brushed off and finished
Kind of misleading, none of el goblino's stuff was good, it was littered with tons of flaws. It wouldn't really be a finishing of the project, more of a totally new one built off the mere concept el goblino proposed years ago. The cult thing was also super retarded.

>>45493
>The cult thing was also super retarded.
In what regard?

>>45466
Either the magical girl thing or the angel thing. How long has it been since then?

>>45495
Perhaps your replied to the wrong post, but my reading comprehension is really low so I'm not entirely sure.

>>45491
I liked Anzu, but he needs a good bit of tweaking in order to fit in. There was talk of making him a cocky shota to be dommed, but to nobody's suprise, nothing came of it.

>>45499
Anzu, Valkyries, ice magic, the rift dungeon, all things that feel best left to when the rift if the focus overall, in my opinion. Much more early and mid game work to do, I say

>>45499
>>45501
>Shadow the Hedgehog 'morality is a social construct' 30 foot tall lore rapist who could, like, totally destroy Marae and the demons without lifting a finger because I'm stronger than anything in this puny world but I don't want to cause.. well meh, why bother, puny mortals, maybe I like da CHAOS O_O
Anzu is sub-Behemoth tier and I am astonished he has fans

>>45491
>Removed content
I've already said it before, but I want the Nephilia content reworked to be less obesity and more broodmonther of monsters. Like the idea of becoming a monster that moves by cunt-tentacles was neat. Being eternally pregnant with parasites felt like some actual corrupt shit. Becoming so fat you have to basically operate by proxy, leading to using a mountain as a dildo? A bit too far. We already have two instances of functionally infinite cunt space, so I'd rather stick with the belly getting no bigger than "Ready to pop with triplets".
>Abandoned content
The original kitsune ideas. I'm a massive weeaboo but the payoff for all the effort of becoming a nine-tails being bargain-bin versions of akbal's abilities was a letdown. The fluffing scene someone wrote later is nice and I appreciate it.
I also recall someone saying they'd write something that combines the Lusty Maiden and the Naughty Nun outfits into one so you have access to all the scenes/bonuses but I don't recall anything coming of it. I wanna be a slutty armored nun with armor that is stronger if I'm a virgin.

>>45505
Anzu doesn't have fans, Sansu does. People don't give a shit about the original character, just the rewrite ideafagging and those, I don't know, two example scenes.

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>>45491
>Alternatively, if you could have any abandoned work brushed off and finished, which would it be?
my rabbit vegetable thief-turned-farmer that I keep meaning to get back to so there's more to do at the farm and another way to get regular rabbit TFs by adding carrots to the farm produce. I've got the skeleton of it but that's about it.
I keep telling myself I'll get back to it but I never do. shoot me.

>>45509
>my rabbit vegetable thief-turned-farmer
Honestly this is a big downgrade from the original idea of just adding another [Work] output to the pool that gives you a carrot scene instead of pepper
Assuming that one was you. Maybe you're someone else coincidentally trying to add a rabbit carrot TF to the farm, but with a much larger workload and honestly not great idea.
Whitney, Kelt, and Marble are kind of the established family there. Not all related, but they work there and we all know them as the people at the farm. Whitney never references anyone else being there, does she? 
Whitney talks about Kelt and Marble. Kelt talks about Whitney and maybe Marble. Marble talks about Whitney and Kelt. 
Just add a new [Work] scene for the carrot patch and the basic carrot item description, and note to the coders to remove the carrot key item and make this item work in its place for the snowman. Way way easier and not likely to go wrong

>>45510
the Sweet Carrot was the name I was going to use for it and it would be implemented before the character, or even completely independent of the character.
and yeah I get that but the rabbit would literally show up after you're level 5 or something and be robbing the stores in the dead of night. So Whitney and the rest not mentioning her would be because she's not even there until a certain point.
second reason I wanted to make her is because I despise kelt and figured the generic kids you would have with her would end up replacing him as the farm guards due to the sheer number of them and he'd be safely told to fuck off elsewhere (plains probably) where you could Kelly him without being locked out of the farm.
but, as you said, a lot of work for a probably bad idea.

>>45499
There were things I wanted to like about Anzu, but he fucks up the execution on all of it.

>cool, a fugitive god
Oh no, he's not even from Mareth and its just an excuse to powerwank him.
>cool, a confident male character that isn't Kelt or Raphael
Oh no, he's a lonely bitch desperate for your friendship.
>bragging about deadly orgies? Bit edgy but maybe the sex content will be spicy.
Fuck no, Arian was kinkier than this guy.
>cool, rift lore
And its more wanking about how they all got fucked while he casually zaps demons by the thousands.
>cool, Valkyrie fortress
With no content! They actually made a dungeon-scale location just to serve as a fursona's mansion.

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>>45495
> the angel thing
That was a weird experience. Accepting requests, then coming down with a fever and sleeping. Almost better next day, but then the fever gets worse, get the shakes, falling asleep, getting up, sleeping more, yuribot or someone does the shark request instead
Then it happens 
>I know how to make a CoC style angel
A flurry of thinking. New magic, big expansion to shouldra, basically making a ghost valkyrie. The spirit of a wicked and manipulative woman. Seeks your symapthy and softness, to appear fragile so you will accept her into yourself.
And then over many parts, she feeds on your love and tries to lead you to accepting giving up some of your strength for her health, and she in turn helps you by teaching you some magic. 
She starts to try and tell you reasons why all the other people in camp are shallow, two-faced, or unworthy of you. Play on some of the lack of characters doing stuff by making it them not caring until you approach them. No one really cares about you, not like Anabelle. 
It all themes around corruption, but not a demonic or sexy one, that being one of the conceptual problems with her. 
It also had a lot of allusions to anorexia and mechanics playing off that, but some of the writing regarding it didn't come together so well. 
And I'm not sure exactly how it ended, I think it was mostly burn-out, as well as coming to feel the project as a whole was, while very corruption themed, just not that CoC themed, a bit like Tiri in a way. 
It was a weird and intense surge that seemed like maybe not as good of an idea as first seemed. 

It might never come to be, but I reflect fondly on it, I suppose. It was a different set of ideas to explore and another angle of the corruption theme. I grew to like that sort of approach, where I consider the thematic side of corruption in a project.

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>>45513
And I guess on a related note
First request I get, I write
 - One off scenes only (no requiring other scenes before it can be implemented)
 - Implementable idea, fits the character/creature/content. (Marielle or moths would probably be a bad idea because the writing is distinct from mine, but if the writers behind them greenlight your suggestion, whatever)
 - No sharks this time, I don't want to come down with another fever

>>45514
Telly drawing you a picture for valentines day.
It costs 25 gems.

>>45509
Document?

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>>45515
There's not a real valentines day on Mareth, but there's lots of noncanon holiday events. 
I'll give it a go for you, anon.
Telly's Valentine's Day Gift
https://pastebin.com/BEQdD8FR
If this isn't a shitpost, because I really can't tell, myself, then I'll add a [Telly] variant so people trying for the scene on consecutive years gets something else.

>>45513
Rest in F fever angel

>>45517
you're a peach.
and it wasn't a shitpost, I do think Telly would make valentines cards for you and then make you pay for them.

>Decide to make a slime
>It ends up becoming a super tanky shotgun knight
>With an addiction to cum, reliance on 'fluids', and eels forcing her to seek different types of cum
>Zero Corruption because of perks, marae, and a purity ring
Feels good.

>>45527
Too late in the night. What I meant, and didn't put well into words, was I wasn't sure the scene I wrote actually passed as not being a shitpost. Holiday events are a looser criteria, but you are walking in, getting no option to prevent spending your money, and no sex comes out of it. 
However, it's a small amount of money, it's a holiday event, and fits her place. She's not the main valentine event, she's just this side character with a small touch. 
Someone else can weigh in on if the concept of this scene passes, if something in particular should be done to make it pass, or whathaveyou.
Anyway, updated the paste, removing a lot of word repetition, fixing a few errors, adding checks for children, adding [Telly] button.
https://pastebin.com/BEQdD8FR

Now for something that isn't as cheesy and dumb (possibly)
First request I get, I write
Same rules as before

>>45536
Scene of Lethice reacting to child PCs right before battle, preferably with purity variation

>>45536
Alices gifting you their panties in exchange for sexual energy.

>>45490
what do you think of the amily, goblin, imp watersports scenes? [spoiler]i wrote them and haven't had the courage to write more since[/spoiler]

>>45540
Fun fact, the stronghold is listed as a Keep in the code. It's also mildly annoying because Lethice talks in many different files for the throne room, it's not as direct and straightforward. Easier for me to just open debug and walk a character through the stronghold with a cheatsword to get the text. Mildly.
>You mutilate the demons with your powerful cheat!
Amusing that the cheat sword has "cheat" as the attack verb.
Anyway
Loli vs Lethice
https://pastebin.com/jB2UF5qh
Also a couple elder checks where it seemed fit enough. Tried to think of all the places it fits while not going so hard on the subject because, you know, you're not an ordinary child. She can speak down to you, but she does that anyway, and at the end, it's pretty obvious you're not a child, you're a champion.
I probably missed the mark in some ways.

>>45554
>imp
No.
>Amily
>Though the pathways of your lovemaking are well-worn, each kiss, each touch, and each playful caress of the genitals feels like the first time
Seems a little over the top romantic for a piss scene. It's kind of strange in how tender it is, it's not the aftermath of a romantic date, is it? This is just being horny at camp
>Scene is "Watersports" with the tooltip "Get a bit kinkier with Amily"
>Begins wordlessly communicating the drive for sex and watersports is a later element of the scene
On the one hand, this does do a good job of avoiding things like Revamp or the alice scene where it super awkwardly and strangely establishes "hey this scene is going to be about pissssss i know it's weird but let's do it"
Stuff like that is a big example of "don't do this, it's a bad way to start the scene"
However, the tooltip is pretty nondescript, it's not really conveying who is peeing, what's really going on with that, or so forth.
It really ought to be changed to "Fuck her until she wets herself in the ecstasy" or something like that, so the tooltip conveys what you're getting into. 
Honestly I didn't know when I clicked that if she was going to pee on me while I'm masturbating, if I'm peeing on her, if there's a sub/dom angle, if piss drinking is involved, or what. 
But on execution it turns out to be a really solid sex scene with a small and inoffensive amount of watersports in it. 
it lacks some checks for cock size, has some word repetition, and a number of other little errors that make me think it was added before proofreading was a big part of the mod. 
And honestly, if that's the case, you were one of the best writers to touch the game back then, hands down, no contest. It's all pretty solid as a sex scene, with the specific kink being a component and not the entire thing.
Actually, I have to admit, this is the best watersports scene I've read in any version of the game so far. Satan's ifris scene was similar in being solid as a sex scene and the watersports being more of a tertiary element, but that's not a watersports scene by design, it just has a small amount in it if you toggled watersports on(and while good, and his best display of watersports, asking him to do a scene focused on watersports(Izumi, shark daughter on gobbo as the two times watersports was the purpose) is pretty lacking. He's not into it, he doesn't get it, and it ends up mediocre). Your scene goes a little further, it's baked into the climax and a focus rather than incidental. 
There's room for improvement, but I know now you're the go-to to get that kind of content.
The standard is higher now than it was years ago, but some refinement from the proofreaders should pull you up in short order. Your baseline is far superior to revamp and to lesbianon.
>Amily Watersports
>Written by: Conifer
>>Conifer
>Amily Watersports
>Gargoyle Watersports
>Hellhound Watersports
>Satyr Watersports
I don't see imp or goblin listed here. If you are Conifer, we should get that fixed. If you're not, then that's a bit of a dispute

I want to push the impression onto you that, if you did this Amily watersports scene, you are absolutely a writer I would hope writes more in general. Doubly so if the writing that you do is putting some niche kinks of mine in.

>>45556
>[if (silly) {Oh, shit. }]
Thank you for this. I hate Savin's narrator-dialogue so fucking much.
>Oh shit!
>Wait.. what?!
>Fuckin'
>Gods damn it!

>>45558
while we're being picky about the credits I (Anonymous) created the original pre-kippah flashy gold Benoit and updated-with-canon-hairbun Dominika sprites

>>45513
sauce?

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>>45562
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/83020763
Erkerut is the artist, shows up quickly when you check for source using saucenao. Look it up, saves a lot of time.

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Happy belated Valentine's day.
https://mega.nz/folder/xjhWxRyJ#1HcmCiDeIR-KP2yK74lcrQ/folder/wq5EQJ7C - I wrote a scene for fucking Fran in the ice cream parlour, which wraps up her date scenes.

>>45570
Hey, can you summarize the arc of the vampire content—how it begins, where the story goes, the key plot elements—and roughly what's left to do?

>>45571
>pc finds a rundown manor in the bog.
>Meets Fran and Emily after searching it.
>pc spends time with them. 
>Fran is upset one day and Emily tells pc about Fran's lost stuffed animal. 
>player goes to the forest, finds it, and returns it or you can do something to the stuffed animal the breaks fran's heart.
>both sisters open up more after this and one of them will soon reveal they're vampires.
>player either accepts them, attacks them for being monsters, or simply leaves them alone for good.
>accepting them leads to more conversation topics and small changes to some others.
>After spending more time together, Emily eventually reveals they plan to leave the bog, since they were only there to search for other vampires they could live with. Now that she's found none, she plans for them to move on.
>player either says goodbye or invites them to camp. 
>if invited to camp, Emily needs to think about it.
>Emily is captured by a demon who set up shop in the bog recently. 
>Player finds the old bog fortress the demons are staying in, saves Emily, and then takes both sisters back to camp.
That's basically the plotline without going into detail about their conversation topics or explaining motivations. As for what's left to do, I think it's just kid interactions and a few camp events. I could write more for them and I should at least write follow ups for the characters the player meets in the fortress in the case that they aren't killed. It might help flesh out the world by showing the consequences of your actions. For example, not killing the boss demon would lead to her tracking you down for rematches until you kill her or something. I think that'd make sense at least. I had a few ideas for expanding Fran and Emily's content even further with the player actually being able to find other vampires living somewhere or maybe the pc could learn what happened to the sisters' parents. I personally would lean more towards the vampire town, since the one that was in chronicles made me want to try writing vampires in the first place.

>>45573
>I personally would lean more towards the vampire town
Well, Alicegrad might not be real, but a town of vampire lolis sounds just as appealing.

Sounds good so far, although you can always save the kids for an expansion later, no need to give us a complete package at the start, unless you want to.  You could also save the followups for the none lolis for a later addition, As long as you "finish" the character that's what matters, anything you do after the fact is just a bonus.

>>45573
>>45570
Just keep making the loli pussy.
I wish we could feed lolipops to the demon dragon so we can rape her more as she secretly seeks us out because she wants to be raped by the PC.

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>feel urge to overhaul Phylla's species and content
>all the workers being small and petite females, basically pseudo-lolis
>caste and gender distribution match nature
>I'd only really need to add 7 scenes or so, and existing scenes don't need to get axed
<but much of this is subjective interest in making ants more ant-based, differing from the original author's vision for little more than personal preferences
It's just so tangibly possible and yet so arguably not something I should do. I can justify every change either by world building logic (slightly lower reproduction rate combined with making them physically smaller counts the resource hog they'd be and also what their power level on the world stage would be) which is not really something the game asks of its races, or by how things match up with real ants (different sizes and characteristics based on born castes, as well as being almost entirely female)

It comes back now and then, I want to do it, but it's just slightly too much change for what I personally think is best

>>45578
I mean really, it's such an easy change that wouldn't even matter, since worker ants are sterile anyway.  Really it should be corrected, it just doesn't make sense to have a colony of ants be male workers, at best corruption could excuse them being herms or something.  Personal fetish is one thing, but we've been cleaning up stupid shit like this since practically day one, and this is some pretty weird shit, they don't even really do anything with male workers anyway outside of maybe some corruption scenes, which could still exist because corruption might as well be silly mode.
>It comes back now and then, I want to do it, but it's just slightly too much change for what I personally think is best
Why do you think it's personally better for them to not be anatomically correct?  You don't even need to be able to fuck the workers, just make them the proper gender, worker ants are typically sterile baring extreme circumstances so it's not like overpopulation is a concern.

>>45579
Because this game is not hard logic on any level, really. Most races differ from aspects of their inspired source. As I said, I can justify changes by how it makes them closer to real ants, but that's just not a overwhelming priority for the game. There's not an objective reason the ants of Mareth can't be mostly sterile male workers, or even fertile ones and just a low female birth rate that controls the breeding.
These things just aren't objective issues at heart. 
The world building aspects are a stronger argument. Yes, the game also isn't super hard on world building logic, but changing things to just make more sense in a broad world building way can at least be seen in some objective light for having merit.
>not anatomically correct
The thing you come down to is that, really, they're not anatomically incorrect, they're just not completely aligned to real ants (and I do not want to change a bunch of races to be more like their sources)

And so what stops me is that this is the author's vision, for better or worse. I personally think closer to ants and more world building logic would make them better, but it really straddles the line for a change that is just what I want and a change that is actually improving things. It's not like other changes I made, where there's contradictory things that are getting fixed. A lot of this is taste. 
I can be convinced, absolutely, but it's a matter of "Am I changing this to make them better, or to make me like them more?"

>>45578
The ants really do need a rework. If Phylla alone can shit out a thousand eggs in a couple in game months, then why is there ever a demon threat to begin with? The only demons that could be produced at anywhere near that kind of speed are imps, and they are so weak that literally anything could kill them easily. The ant queens could just band together and weaponize most of their colonies into armies that are larger and better equipped than any demon army.

>>45581
>If Phylla alone can shit out a thousand eggs in a couple in game months, then why is there ever a demon threat to begin with?
Corruption is also a threat. To my knowledge, the demons beat the goblins by corrupting their water supply or something to that effect.
>The ant queens could just band together and weaponize most of their colonies into armies that are larger and better equipped than any demon army.
No guarantee the ants would all unite to fight them off, some would believe it's not a big deal or might not want to help a rival colony. Another thing to keep in mind is the ant workers can be changed into demons too, quickly turning their number advantage against them. Also, aren't the ants just using rusty spears, swords, and the like? High ranking demons probably have crazy magic that'll just blow out whole groups with ease.

>>45582
personally I see the numbers as much less relevant to the demons. More, it's relevant to what the world was like before the demons.
With immense numbers, it's a bitch on resource consumption and a big threat to other races. Even if they ignored others, their presence just disrupts things. People can't live near ants colonies because the ants would use a ton of surrounding resources.
They can't fight the ants off, that number advantage and ease of replenishing would mean ants always win.

It's not an overwhelming issue, but I think slightly reducing the birth rate and making them generally smaller in stature helps balance them.

>>45581
>why is there ever a demon threat to begin with?
If I remember, Phylla mentions that the other hives were overwhelmed by corruption, and her mother had to order the connecting tunnels be collapsed to avoid meeting the same fate, effectively isolating her colony from the rest of the world. That seems to be their whole defence against it.

>>45581
I think you're underestimating the demons. Imps fly and use magic, minotaurs are probably stronger than ants, basilisks are extremely dangerous to regular fighters, demons employ chemical warfare, and their home terrain is basically nothing but choke points that negate the ants' only advantage.

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I'm still looking for input on >>45263 if people can be bothered.


>>45265
I realize I never replied to this.
What I had quickly written down for myself were Combat, Lust, and Passive.
>Event
That's a good one, I had not thought about this and I don't think I would've.
>Transformation
Another good one.

How I imagined perks to be sorted was by adding a little descriptive icon to their displayed names to more easily identify what they're for at first glance and then have categories applied to them as a sort of tag system. The icon thing would be helpful, but does complicate things when perks could logically be sorted into several different ones. Something for me to think about as I work this out.

>>45594
The lolicon perk from fucking too many alices, additional lust increase when fighting Alices and unique dialogue/sex scenes with the cat twins and Alices.
Also cannot leave fights without having sex with the lolis.

>>45578
>It's just so tangibly possible and yet so arguably not something I should do
Disregard the original writer's intentions for Phylla and just do what you want

The OG dude is clearly a faggot who doesn't know what he was doing at the time since everything, from biology to the pathetic excuses they made for why things are the way they are, are all fucking retarded at best and just utter nonsense at the worst

So anything you'd do would pretty much be an improvement
Plus more loli is always great

Not like he can sue you since he doesn't actually own anything

>>45594
Combat perks broken down into categories, Bow, Magic, Activatables, Lust, Melee.
Event perks
Transformative perks

>>45578
The femC scenes are pretty fucking bad and there's no content for the driders which would be the obvious thing I'd worry about you axing so there's next to nothing to lose.
I'd say don't worry about running over it
t. faggot

>>45578
Might as well try or make it be a different route or whatever the fuck. I would personally like it but not sure what other people here would think.

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If I could shape everything in the game to what I think is best, it would hardly be recognizable at all. Being like the real world counterparts is not something CoC sticks to, so let's set that part aside and just think about this in terms of consistency and world-building.
>they breed faster than almost anything else
>they are often stronger than the average
>they live in naturally strong defensive underground fortresses (effectively)
Before the demons, the ants would have had to be a massively impactful species that would have invariably left a mark everywhere. 
I say we should pull it back a bit. 
<Reduce birthing rate by maybe a third
<Reduce their stature and individual strength to something akin to children (except the queen caste)
In doing this, they are much more manageable as a race on the world stage, something other races could have fought off even with a significant numbers disadvantage, but the weakness of the individual ant is still not enough to wipe them out as they replace their numbers with relative ease and live in very defensive burrows. 
I think this makes them more reasonable.
>if we stop there and change nothing else
Big mommy queen girls commanding hundreds of little boys to do their bidding, and the natural cycle being to make little boys that fly to go off and find foreign virgin queens to mate with. 
A race built on big strong girl and small boy.
>If we made them more aligned with real world ants
Almost exclusively female. Human-sized queens, but legions upon legions of lolis. During mating season, or while corrupt, spawning small boys with wings to fertilize the virgin queens out there.

Obviously the lolis would be more popular, and it'd satisfy any ant autists. Shota legions will satisfy a thus completely unmet niche, however, and remain in line with more of the original author's intent, more in line with the base game.
There's merit to both. 
In either case someone could make a loli ant princess for Phylla one day in the future and make her great. No decision here ruins that potential. 
In either case some new incest scenes should be written for less corrupt players. Though, in the shota legion one, there's a lack of loli in that incest. In the loli legion one, there's still no lack of shota, as the corrupt scene should have winged males as justified logically. 
>>45601
>Not like he can sue you
That reminds me, I want to write some Giacomo or tentacle beast content eventually. No idea what, but just so the guy that made those has the potentially get pissy about the mod ignoring his "license"

>>45614
>Before the demons, the ants would have had to be a massively impactful species that would have invariably left a mark everywhere. 
I say we should pull it back a bit.
That's bullshit. Before the demons magic was still the only real marker of power, and the ants haven't been shown using any magic.
>they breed faster than almost anything else
They don't, they breed slower than almost anything else. An individual queen breeds faster than most other races. Other races reproduce exponentially, ants reproduce linearly (multiplied by the number of territories). The queen will quickly be outbred by any race with conventional reproduction and a short cycle. Also, a single goblin can outpace a single ant queen, and the other multi-egg races can probably keep comparable rates up as well as breeding exponentially.
>they are often stronger than the average
Stronger than an average what? Ants are noncombatants. Considering how hordes are represented in coc, the fantasy magic combat physics don't really favor large groups that heavily. I think it's reasonable to say any random hero or member of an intrinsically strong race could wipe a colony. A few generations of descendants of anything from the swamp or bog could probably genocide the ants in a week if they wanted to get sand in their shoes.
>they live in naturally strong defensive underground fortresses (effectively)
Which is the only reason they wouldn't be wiped out by casual interest, yes.

I get that you really like ants but there's no reason to think that they're relevant to pre-corruption mareth's metapolitics.

>>45614
>Shota legions will satisfy a thus completely unmet niche
Shota gangbangs could still be present in the loli queen one though, so it's not like the niche wouldn't be satisfied with the more real life version.  Not to mention seeing an army of suplexing lolis fills me with the strangest of joys, bonus if they have 6-packs, god that sounds cursed. 
>and remain in line with more of the original author's intent, more in line with the base game.
Urta is in line with basegame, look what we did to her.  Sure it's bit extreme to compare every basegame character to Urta, especially one that already has so few content, but clearly being inline with the original author's intent has never been a focus of the mod.
>tentacle beast content
Didn't we already include new content for them, I vaguely recall reading it in a changelog at some point.

>>45617
>An individual queen breeds faster than most other races. Other races reproduce exponentially
That's a fair point, however I do present the counterpoint that before corruption breeding was much slower for a lot of other races. 
Goblins in particular used alchemy after the corruption to even further boost birthrates.
>Ants are non-combatants
Many of them are described as being impressively strong. With humans as a bar to compare to, it seems like they're daunting foes, though I only noticed descriptions of the queens and soldiers, hadn't noticed any about workers being stronger than normal humans yet. That said, I feel like the writer takes the popular idea that ants lift 200 times their body weight as a reason to make the entire race really strong, so I wouldn't be surprised by workers being ridiculous.
>magic was the only real marker of power
How prevalent was that before the demons? The mages in the mountains were above everyone else, and there's some level of magic scattered in various places, but was it something a large amount of any race would be doing? Is it everywhere pre-demons? I didn't seem to get that impression.
>>45618
>shota gangbangs
Still not a race with legions of shota, but I did point that out, the male ant scenes wouldn't need to be axed at all.
>being in line with author's intent has never been a focus
It's a balancing act. Revamp content is worthless and anything can be done with it carelessly, but this is a mod of CoC, it has thus far largely had its changes be to make things consistent with itself, not whimsical changes by taste. Even wiping out furries is a toggle. 
Plus the more I change what CoC is, the more I have to ask myself why I'm not just making a new game. Silly to ask that when changing a few small details about a single race, but it adds up. A lot. A few novels of text and you have to start wondering if it really had to be on CoC as its foundation.

>>45618
>look what we did to her
Well, what did we do to her? We made a toggle for her. One that isn't even on by default. Don't confuse a near-universal distaste for the character with anyone actually having gone and massacred her for it.
>>45619
>How prevalent was that before the demons?
There's at least the covenant, and the sand witches must've known some magic before they came to be what they are now.
Even without the opposition of magic, I doubt a physically powerful but primitive race of somewhat quickly reproducing but probably short-lived ants in the far-flung reaches of the desert would've had much of an impact at all on Mareth as a whole. They just don't have enough to offer.

>>45619
>That's a fair point, however I do present the counterpoint that before corruption breeding was much slower for a lot of other races. 
Before corruption (demons, actually) breeding was a lot faster for a lot of the actually dangerous races. Most things that are actually dangerous had demons go out of their way to sabotage, and others like sharks that I'd say are pretty directly comparable to ants in terms of a stronger than human lesser race were just wiped out mostly by terraforming. It's fair to say that there might be a lot of hordes of ants but hordes of trash (even now-demonic trash) clearly aren't very dangerous in this setting.
>Many of them are described as being impressively strong. With humans as a bar to compare to, it seems like they're daunting foes, though I only noticed descriptions of the queens and soldiers, hadn't noticed any about workers being stronger than normal humans yet.
The average human is weaker than an imp, it's not really a high bar for comparison. In the current state of the mod any of the adventurer class goblins could obliterate an absurd number of level 1 champions and could beat down the demon groups in the desert and go about even with the owca fight. Some of the heroes in terms of other named npcs are approaching the point where they might be able to fight the elite demon horde in lethice's lair.
Ants probably can field a larger army of not-quite-trash but I suspect they don't have as many heroes because of their social/mental structure.
>How prevalent was that before the demons? The mages in the mountains were above everyone else, and there's some level of magic scattered in various places, but was it something a large amount of any race would be doing? Is it everywhere pre-demons? I didn't seem to get that impression.
Literally all magic that exists besides some of the expanded cults is pre-fall, innit? Magic using demons are mostly mages, in vanilla things are pretty 1:1 with there being more lay mages now with the sand witches. I guess kitsune had magic as a unified racial front.
In the hggmod which has severely powercrept the setting with the volcanic crag etc. there were a shit ton of high level mages who could bring civilizations to their knees.
>but was it something a large amount of any race would be doing?
I'm not really talking about some racial coalition. There were clearly mages living in the desert pre-fall, if the ants got out of control and forced his cousin out of their home one single level 18 mage could go for a walk and put their civilization back to the stone age.

>Plus the more I change what CoC is, the more I have to ask myself why I'm not just making a new game. Silly to ask that when changing a few small details about a single race, but it adds up. A lot. A few novels of text and you have to start wondering if it really had to be on CoC as its foundation.
Maybe not a popular opinion, but I strongly suggest that if you've the intent to put out enough content to be it's own game you should absolutely make your own game instead. There's nothing that can limit creative output and quality more than not having complete creative control of a project. Design by committee is always a bad idea.

>>45628
A lot of reasonable points made, and it all goes back to what I said from the start. A lot of changes I'd like to make and I can put up reasons why, but they aren't good enough reasons. It really just ends up being my personal taste, so I end up setting the idea aside. 
I won't even ever use the ideas, most likely, in any other context besides coc.
>using the power levels of encounters as canon comparisons
This seems like a flawed approach. A random nameless goblin being able ot beat new players, a horde of lust demons, and the owca gang isn't really a genuine show of how goblins compare to those things. 
>nearly all magic was invented before the fall
That doesn't really speak to its ease of use, prevalence, practical ability to field in a conflict between factions. Maybe they were mostly secluded to the places that study. Those that pick up the skill being less a mmember of their tribe and more a scholar yearning personally to grasp the arcane. To my knowledge, that isn't clear at all. It could have been pretty common to know some magic, it could have been something anyone with funds and access to learning materials could get, maybe it's rare and everyone that manages to show an affinity for it gathers at the few places they can really unravel its mysteries. Without anything to cite, it may be a hard point to argue either way on.
>sand witches and corrupt witches
Splinters of the mages that became demons, as I recall. They disagreed with that direction and became their own faction, leaving the mountains to study and build up in secret and fight back when they had the power and population
The witch mother implying they could have all killed you really easily if they really tried, or something dumb like that. Supposedly on par with the mages before they turned demon. Seems like a stretch. Further supports the idea the level of an encounter isn't very telling of the actual relative scale.
>severe powercreep
I definitely agree on some levels. The dungeons, in particular. While I can shrug off levels, the writing itself paints the picture that the necromancer is super powerful, the eldritch beings are unfathomably superior to demons, the mages of the tower of deception were truly great and strong with lerentus ascending to another plane entirely, and so on. It's not exactly Anzu tier, where Anzu could actually go wipe out all demons with no effort and just doesn't because he doesn't care, there's be more complication in actually using the power of the mages or the eldritch gods to fight the demons. The powers are immense, but there's reasons they aren't going to stop the demons. 
But those are also wild out-of-ordinary things in small secluded places. The other encounters are not too wild.

>>45628
>one single mage could send the ants to the stone age
Why could they? I don't doubt someone proficient with magic would take on many soldier ants without issue, but armies? Most strong mages probably wouldn't be around for a lot of the places unless the ants were really trying to make a hostile expansion and thus raises the chance a magic user would get involved either because of personal connection to an affected tribe/faction or it's actually extending into a place they live, whatever. 
Still, I'm not convinced this is a setting where most mages are at a power level that can wipe out civilizations. The demons-to-be were most of them, and they're all far away from that and likely wouldn't care. They had their own priorities.
The covenant doesn't strike me as being a level of power anywhere near an individual wiping out a civilization, though their collective pre-demons would likely be able to fight off anyone causing a problem for them. Were they the world police though? I don't think they were.
>>another point coming to mind
Marae's big shtick was being overly involved in keeping the peace. A protective mother trying to mediate conflict. A full scale war probably just wouldn't happen, only sheer expansion and growth disrupting things that would matter, since that's non-hostile. Could well be that if a group grew too big such that they would need to hog more land and resources than could support the other tribes around, Marae would just address the issue with her truly immense abilities. Might slow down ant breeding if they were getting too numerous, and also increase the density of the natural food that grows around them. 
Marae's interference in trying to stop anyone from fighting over anything was why they had such issue unifying in the first place. Your own personal in-group was safe from any larger group, and if you lacked for anything that a larger faction would have been able to solve, Marae would fill in for you. She kept conflict small-scale

>If you intend to make enough content to be its own game, make your own game
small amounts that can't be a game all on their own but grant some sense of completion, gets feedback, fits a framework, and helps with improvement in going on to make more content. Making something entirely new means all those novels worth of writing but up-front, with not enough content to be a game until a huge amount is complete. 
Also flaws in establishing a good focus/direction when you have nothing pre-existing to work with. The ants, if nothing else, is a blueprint to build on. Even when I do have ideas for new races and factions, the world itself is a context to build them into.
>nothing limits output+quality more than no complete creative control
Quite the contrary. it's shown time and again that restraining creative freedom focuses it better. There are projects which need more freedom than others, but broadly it makes very effective work to direct the creativity in more narrow ranges of options. 
As said, I wouldn't use the ant idea anywhere else, most likely. If from scratch, it wouldn't be anything remotely similar. Phylla wouldn't be able to exist in a recognizable state the way I would write ant people, it'd be a wholly different story with many different mechanics. 
A new game means instead of adding work over months or years, it has to all come out at once to have any substance at all, and the narrow freedom of a mod means focusing and directing creativity more efficiently. 
A new game can be a very fantastic idea, but there's plenty of reasons not to go that route. Plenty of reasons to go that route. It's just not a black and white thing where either is strictly better.
>Design by committee is bad
I agree. That's why I see trying to fit the confines of the base game is a good rule of thumb. A committee kind of design will come in for arguable changes, but a lot of stuff will just have the guidance already laid in, no committee about it. 
There are flawed aspects of this mod but there's a lot in its favor too.

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>Alice
A demon, typically lust demon, that has likely gained tremendous ire by someone more important than them, and been fed liddellium to strip them of their sexual endowments and freedom to craft their bodies. 
With no bodacious breasts or child-bearing hips, and a body too physically weak to dominate people easily, they rely on illusions and tricks to lure someone until they've unknowingly been swept up in their mystical arousal.
>Hellmouth
From countless goblins breeding like crazy, it's easy to find them suitable labrats to test on. So they are used in myriad ways as they eventually spill their soul for the energy of a lethicite. The tests with portals, although has not lead to the escape from Mareth that the demons are seeking, did result in these test subjects being connected within their own bodies to another location, their maw a portal.
If they weren't so scarred, mentally, by the tests, who knows what they'd be capable of.
>Ivory succubus
As divine white as the goddesses, these lust demons are sculpted to be perfect beauty, though more a mockery of true divinity. They are self-loving, artsy, and centered on aesthetics. They're also often petite and tall. Basically an opposite of the hellmouths, figure-wise.
>plague rat
In a more feral and demented end of things, there's the plague rat. Mad and grotesque. Visually reminiscent of classic D&D kobolds with some rattyness, some rough goblinoid skin, and ivory horns. Distinct, very, but lacking  charm

We have a bunch of demons in this mod. Maybe more than any mod adds, unless you count copy-pasting things with a few words altered and no new content. Xianxia might have /hgg/ beat then. This is also without getting into unique demons, like the lumberjack that acts friendly, has a sob story, but is really as perverse and twisted as those that twisted him originally. His mock friendship is just a ploy to bind and rape you. If you freed his sister, you likely only left her to carry on that same trickery. The elder who sought throughout his life to have wisdom and found power over others a juicy prize. He has his little games to see how smart you may be, and may even reward you for impressing him. He need not hide his age, he accepts the prestige and distinguishment of it.
Demons, demons, it's great to have more demons!

But what else? What other distinct styles, personality archetypes, gimmicks, or whathaveyou can we come up with?
I want more demons in this game!

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Mothcest.

>>45634
>The witch mother implying they could have all killed you really easily if they really tried, or something dumb like that.
The reasoning behind that was that the witches you find in the desert are fully trained earth mages that could be doing earthbender shit instead of tickling your prostate with a tiny ball. I imagine her boasting about them being stronger than the player is only true for the level 6ish range where you're expected to meet her.

>>45634
>lerentus
Lerentus could also be a demon. Since there isn't much written about him besides what directly involves him, he's a fairly blank slate. It's possible for him to realize the error of his ways and the damage he's done, and tries to repent for his past actions. We don't see his original form in game either, it's just a projection that could be in any shape the original Lerentus wanted.
Also compare Lethice to other demons. She's not that demonic in appearance. The succubus in the gym has just as many, if not more, demonic features than Lethice does. 
Not all super powerful mages were going to stick to the same circlejerk either, there just isn't a focus on anyone other than Lethice. If Tel'Adre can be hidden from the demons with simple magic, then powerful mages can hide their lairs from them.
>necromancer
I think the necromancer is fine too. Necromancy is just another form of magic. He also had a big Lethicite crystal, which he could have used to power his skeletons and open a portal to let the eldritch stuff through to give him the abyss crystal. Maraeth is a nexus point for portals so having otherworldly beings is fine, honestly. The abyss crystal could just be the eldritch world's parallel to Lethicite.

>>45650
>I think the necromancer is fine too. Necromancy is just another form of magic. He also had a big Lethicite crystal, which he could have used to power his skeletons and open a portal to let the eldritch stuff through to give him the abyss crystal. Maraeth is a nexus point for portals so having otherworldly beings is fine, honestly.
What people never seem to consider is that the necromancer could just as well have completely lost his mind at some point and none of it is real besides what shit he created. Who is to say that the Abyssal Shard is not just some final fuck you from beyond the grave from him where he tries to curse you into seeing his delusions and wrecking your mind? Magic is, as always, very ethereal in its limitations and applications. One shouldn't jump to conclusions with it.

>>45651
>encountering the nameless horror and fighting it off granting revelation, a perk that resists madness
>it's because you were subjected to a magical illusion that afflicts you with visions and sensations of the necromancer's insanity, and fighting it off is an abstraction of you pulling yourself that insanity and being better equipped to handle similar fraying of your psyche in the future
It works
No is or is not of canon for that, i suppose. Maybe Circe says otherwise. Maybe Circe is saying it is all in your head
I don't feel like checking

>>45574
>Well, Alicegrad might not be real, but a town of vampire lolis sounds just as appealing.
I wonder if there's a way the player could get enough blood for them all at once. Not that it'd just be lolis living there.
>save the kids for an expansion later
Kid interactions are important. It'd be weird for you to have one and find they just vanished without a trace. You're right about follow ups for side characters; those are separate from the vampires. Their camp events also aren't really required per se.
>>45577
>I wish we could feed lolipops to the demon dragon so we can rape her more as she secretly seeks us out because she wants to be raped by the PC.
Why not just alice her, drag her back to camp, and chain her up in your cabin?

>>45654
>I wonder if there's a way the player could get enough blood for them all at once.
The Champ can literally cum a mountain of sperm, why would they have nearly limitless blood?
>Kid interactions are important. It'd be weird for you to have one and find they just vanished without a trace.
Point being is that you can save the kid, and the interaction with them for later, and not need to include it in the first release(if it ever makes it into the game).  Personally speaking, I'd want proper children, or at least a child and not some just more nameless characters, of which we have many.  But that kind of expansion would already be a lot when you compare it to what is currently there.  By my count there are only what, 4 named children characters in the entire game, pretty sure one of them is unfuckable though, but it's been a hot minute.
>Why not just alice her, drag her back to camp, and chain her up in your cabin?
Wouldn't make sense outside of a high corruption champ, mostly because having a living demon in your camp transformed or no, is asking for trouble.

>>45655
I don't think there is items that allow you to bleed better

>>45634
You could do your idea without much effort, honestly. Adjust the ants to have a smaller stature (they live in caves, they ought to be short anyway), then add/modify some of Phylla's conversation to where she explains that the males are soldiers and females are workers. The player's only encounters with her home colony are fine as-is, seeing as there's no reason to encounter any workers between the entrance and arena. After that, you'd just need to tweak the existing incest scenes to account for the change in stature, then work on a couple news ones.

>>45642
>The elder who sought throughout his life to have wisdom and found power over others a juicy prize. He has his little games to see how smart you may be, and may even reward you for impressing him. He need not hide his age, he accepts the prestige and distinguishment of it.
Nu fone hu dis

>>45614
>akin to children (except the queen caste)
Nah
Queens shouldn't be in combat, EVER
that role is for the soldier caste
but the workers being weak af is completely understandable, but children? aren't they supposed to dig and carry rocks n shit?

>>45666
>but the workers being weak af is completely understandable
Well actually, worker ants ARE the soldiers of a typical ant colony, so really they should be quite strong.  
>but children? aren't they supposed to dig and carry rocks n shit?
Ants can carry shit that's 10x bigger then them with ease, and while they wouldn't have the same benefit due to a size increase, they should still be strong even though they are child sized.  Probably either as stronger, or slightly stronger then your average human.

>>45667
>worker ants ARE the soldiers of a typical ant colony
Actually no
Soldiers have bigger mandibles and thoraxes

>>45668
Isn't it also a thing with many species that while workers have largely non-functional reproductive systems, soldiers have vestigial or no genitals.

So soldier ant daughters are anal only good girls.

>>45668
>Soldiers have bigger mandibles and thoraxes
Depends on the colony, I said the typical ant colony doesn't have soldiers and workers fulfill both roles.  More specifially, soldier ants only appear in polymorphic species, and not monomorphic ones, which is the more common type.  Now I have no idea what ant species Phylla is based off of, probably wasn't based off what little I've read, but chances are high it's monomorphic.
>>45669
>soldiers have vestigial or no genitals.
My knowledge of ant biology has never made that far, but maybe?

>>45655
Holli is a demonic dryad and you just get her by blowing up the factory and letting the plant grow. Ceraph has no corruption requirement for enslaving her, you just have to rape her 4 times. Only Vapula has a corruption requirement at 66, but that is only to make her a slave. None of them have any requirements for keeping them so I don't see why it would matter if you keep yet another demon slave. Holli and Vapula cause pure Jojo and Amily to leave but you can still hang out with them with no problem.
Holli can also guard you camp and Vapula prevents you from getting bad ended by the Cerulean Succubus.

Maybe the next thread should be a throwback title to "Heavily Debated Lore Edition"

what tools do I need to install if I wanted to build the source code myself?

>>45682
Flashdevelop, a modern flexSDK, 32 bit java (eclipse adoptium works)

This shit should be in the OP next time (especially considering what a state the mod is in)

>>45634
>This seems like a flawed approach. A random nameless goblin being able ot beat new players, a horde of lust demons, and the owca gang isn't really a genuine show of how goblins compare to those things. 
It's genuinely 1000x better than the bullshit you're spouting. According to your logic imps should have quickly enslaved the demons and there should be nothing but imps and goblins, because they so very vastly outnumber anything else.
The only fights where groups don't get conjugated into a not-much-more-powerful 'mob' entity are fights where the extra monsters are direct summons. If the fantasy physics don't priviledge invididual fighters then it would take like 20 imps to kill pretty much anything in the setting.
>a random nameless goblin
Not really, they're explicitly heroic. Random goblins are significantly weaker than the ones with classes.
>>nearly all magic was invented before the fall
I never said anything like this.
>That doesn't really speak to its ease of use, prevalence, practical ability to field in a conflict
It does, because that's what I was talking about. Every single mage except for the bottom tiers of the new-mage-cults that exists on the planet existed before the fall; every single magic using demon was a mage, and in mod-lore are heavily implied to have been more powerful as 'humans'.
>between factions
I explictly didn't say anything about factions. This isn't a world of organized wars.
>Without anything to cite, it may be a hard point to argue either way on.
I can cite at least 5 individuals post-fall that could have singlehandedly genocided most races that were just as poweful pre-fall (lethice, the necromancer, 2xinquistors, marae). Note that each of the first two are from organizations of mages that used to be more populous when it was just the general set of mages, and that marae has an explicit interest in interference with large scale conflict.
>Supposedly on par with the mages before they turned demon.
The sand mother herself uses actual combat magic on you. The average named demon that you fight (vapula etc.) is around her level. It's an awkward way to say that, but she's not wrong that a level 7 combat mage could blow the absolute fuck out of the average (unnamed) demon floating around coc.
>Splinters of the mages that became demons
Yes, splinters. As in there were more mages pre-fall before they split into the main categories of dead, demon, and hidden cult.
With demons not pursuing most avenues of magic research (you can look at her retarded akbal is if you want an idea of how someone that was formerly a top level mage might act after becoming a demon, though that's modlore and uplifted seasonal sillymode shit) and most of the other strong mages dead or trapped in their own autism (necromancer, inquisitors) the people pushing the boundaries of magic are circe, some randoms who might be totally hidden from the world, and the player.
>the picture that the necromancer is super powerful, the eldritch beings are unfathomably superior to demons, the mages of the tower of deception were truly great and strong with lerentus ascending to another plane entirely
None of those are unreasonable.
The necromancer and laurentius are just prefall mages. Contemporaries of lethice, they're about the same level as lethice. Lethice wasn't alone in terms of the top tier mages. Nothing any of them did is really that different from introducing something major like corruption, with the difference being that none of them really succeeded at having a wide scale and reproducable success like lethice.
>eldritch beings
You go to the shambler. Interdimensional travel is totally possible in this setting, even for people who aren't top tiers.
Marae is unfathomably superior to demons, they haven't made any sort of attempt to take her in a fair fight. Putting yourself on top of a hostile dimension's god is probably a pretty bad idea. What's questionable is only that the champion is so powerful that they can blow the shambler and marae out of the water, but that's how it is.
>ascending to an

>ascending to another plane entirely
Dimensional travel is entirely possible. Lethice is already introducing conceptual changes to reality, the door is well and truly open for archmages doing supernal realm shit. Fucking off is a pretty mild thing to do.
>Why could they?
Because groups aren't priviledged in combat in mareth. That is simply how it is.

>>45685
>every single magic using demon was a mage, and in mod-lore are heavily implied to have been more powerful as 'humans'
Where is that implied? Becoming a demon explicitly makes your magic stronger, that's the reason they became demons in the first place.
>akbal ... though that's modlore
It is in the sense that it wasn't present in vanilla, but Akbal's backstory here is what his original writer wrote.

>>45685
> According to your logic imps should have quickly enslaved the demons
That really brushes off and ignores the point about stature and strength, as well as point about how things are affected pre-demons.
That's just disingenuous arguing.

>>45687
>Where is that implied?
It's explicitly stated by circe. It's also overwhelmingly heavily implied by akbal, who explicitly lost a fight he wouldn't have lost if he wasn't a demon.
>It is in the sense that it wasn't present in vanilla
So, in the sense that it's modlore?
>>45688
The points about stature and strength aren't points. They don't mean anything. They have no relation to group combat mechanics.
They also apply equally to the imps. Strength is a stat. Imps are a great many times stronger than nonmagical human infants. Hence, they are considerably more dangerous in a 1v1 fight. A mob of imps is still a service mob to anyone over level 3 though.
It's not disingenuous, you have no point. There is nothing for me to respond to.

>>45689
>So, in the sense that it's modlore?
In that sense the codex (added by revamp) is also modlore though, despite being largely written by Fenoxo (the rest written by the race's author and endorsed by Fenoxo) well before any mod existed. 
It's lore that was added to the game by the mod, but it originates from official sources that predate the mod.

>>45690
>In that sense the codex (added by revamp) is also modlore though
So, in the sense that it's modlore then?

>official sources
The only official source on the contents of a work is the contents of that work.

>>45685
>I explictly didn't say anything about factions. This isn't a world of organized wars.
I guess I have to look up the definition of faction
<A party or group within a larger group
It seems to cover grouping anyone that shares a context with another group you can distinguish them from. 
That has nothing to do with organized wars. Conflict isn't necessarily an organized war, it's broader and more vague
>I never said (most magic was invented before the fall)
Does that change anything about what was stated?
>Every single mage existed before the fall
I'm not sure why you even bother specifying you didn't mean to imply most magic was pre-fall. It seems like your claim would suggest that, and whether or not you actually believe so isn't really a big part of your point, that just seems like something not to remark on at all unless you have a point to make about the distinction.
>demons were implied to have been more powerful as humans
No? Fucking cite this one, mate, what in the absolute fuck are you fucking saying holy shit. I'm going to assume I either misunderstand this point or you made some sort of typo and move on.
>I can cite 5 individuals
<doesn't speak to prevelance 
I could go look up a list of super geniuses in the world and list them, but it doesn't speak to the prevalence of that level of intellect in the world.That's merely a "this does exist" thing rather than "look, it's everywhere"
You list the queen of demons, the goddess of the world, and post-game bosses added by the mod. 
What? There's a serious miscommunication going on.
>The sand mother uses actual combat magic on you
I think I quoted this just because I find it odd the way you state that. 
>She's not wrong that a level 7
She never says anything about level 7s, or about levels at all. I'm not sure any character talks about levels. I'll ignore that though, since it's not really relevant. You ignored the point, which was that they are supposedly as strong as the mages that became the first demons, and that's ridiculous, thus showing the level isn't indicative of a canon scale. 
>Yes, splinters
I don't see the point of anything you said in this part, I guess you're just commenting on it as an aside
>These examples that ludicrously dwarf demons
>Not unreasonable
I can't find myself seeing eye to eye with you.
>eldritch beings
I guess youre' just commenting as an aside
>Why could one single mage wipe out armies?
>Because that's simply how it is
I just shrug. Barring the super exceptional, as mentioned prior, there's no reason to think most mages would be able to do that, and your reply is "they simply can"

>>45689
>It's also overwhelmingly heavily implied by akbal, who explicitly lost a fight he wouldn't have lost if he wasn't a demon.
What fight? The one where a full group of mages taught by Marae and given a spell crafted by the goddess were almost completely wiped out by him despite the fact they actually got the drop on him? 
And why wouldn't he have lost if he wasn't a demon?
>circe
I can believe she said this, but I would like to see the text quoted rather than look through her writing. Would you mind finding it for us?

>>45689
>It's explicitly stated by circe.
You mean when she's talking about Lethice, where she's explicitly only speculating and doesn't know for sure, and explicitly says that it's only knowledge and skill that have (possibly) been lost and not actual power?
>It's also overwhelmingly heavily implied by akbal, who explicitly lost a fight he wouldn't have lost if he wasn't a demon.
Akbal lost to a trap set by an entire group of mages with help from a goddess. And he was still powerful enough that it only partially worked. There's nothing at all to suggest he could have withstood that at any point in his life.

>>45693
<I can't read
And it's painful to see, yes.
>She never says anything about level 7s, or about levels at all. I'm not sure any character talks about levels.
She is level 7, retard. She herself (a sand witch using combat magic) is more powerful than most magic using demons.
>You ignored the point, which was that they are supposedly as strong as the mages that became the first demons
The majority of mages-turned-demons are not lethice. They are, indeed, about as dangerous and poweful as the sand mother.
>That's merely a "this does exist" thing rather than "look, it's everywhere"
What do you mean, "look, it's everywhere". Mages were organized in the desert, including organizations which explicitly have several pre-fall (and multiple post-fall) members who are top tiers. There was a minimum of multiple mages who could trivially genocide ants in the desert compared to a maximum of one race of ants. Ants weren't pushing anyone out of the desert.
>there's no reason to think most mages would be able to do that
I never said this, though it might be true.
>"they simply can"
That is how it is, yes. So could about half of the combatable named NPCs (including but not limited to helia, isabella, the dullahan, sylvia (lmao), kiha) as well as quite a few categories of unnamed individuals. The giant scorpion in the desert could have singlehandedly acted as population check on the ants and arrived tarrasque-like whenever they hit a critical mass - as you say, it's not like they could have gotten any of the mages that could have actually fought it to help them out if it did.
It's a fantasy setting which clearly privileges heroes over groups of mundane soldiers. That's the nature of coc and has been since not long into vanilla.
>>45694
Akbal definitely considers what he was doing as a demon to have been less effective than just using his magic that he already had.
>And why wouldn't he have lost if he wasn't a demon?
He wouldn't have been caught in the trap, for a start, (according to him).
Demon!akbal is also weaker than any of the strong non-demon mages (and lethice) who were his contemporaries who he claims to have been more powerful than as a human, though he might just be wrong/lying about how powerful he was.
>>45695
>and explicitly says that it's only knowledge and skill that have (possibly) been lost and not actual power?
She explicitly says that it's knowledge and skill. She just says that lethice would still be dangerous, not that she's not less powerful.
Given that demon!lethice is weaker than every mage that was comparable or stronger and isn't a demon right now, it doesn't seem like her speculations fall far from the truth.

>>45696
>Akbal definitely considers what he was doing as a demon to have been less effective than just using his magic that he already had.
Where? What? This is, yet again, the opposite of true.
You make me question if a single thing you have said isn't total bullshit when I see you argue to people that demons are somehow weaker.
I don't know 90% of Akbal's writing, but I'm going to take a really confident guess there's not a single instance anywhere where he even says a single thing negative about being a demon, and definitely not that being a demon made him weaker on any metric. Not that he was a better mage before or anything. Point to this, I don't actually believe it's there.
>he wouldn't have been in the trap
In a contrived sense of if he weren't a demon and wasn't fighting on the side of the demons then he wouldn't have been targeted at all, yes. Where does anything say, be it explicit or implicit, that not being a demon would have somehow made him better at dealing with that trap? Assumign he was targeted, how would not being a demon have helped in any way? What has he said? Where is the "according to him"?
>He is weaker than any strong non-demon mage who he claims to have been more powerful than as a human
???
>Lethice is weaker than every mage that was comparable that isn't a demon right now
Everyone that you're arguing with must be right about whatever you disagree on, I have to assume that, because you are clearly a shitter. You can't take this as far as you have an with such overwhelming confidence without being a complete shithead.

In-game enemy levels are not a power level metric that decides who is objectively the strongest. Stop acting like Dragon Ball Z spics.

>>45697
>Akbal
I can't find anything remotely like what that guy is saying. I even gave him the benefit of the doubt and figured he probably said something about his arrogance causing him to make a mistake he wouldn't have before.
But no, I can't even find that much. He only says that demons are a lot stronger.
>She discovered the power to distill all the incredible energy of our very souls into crystals. Her new form was... Beautiful. The horns, the wings, the skin, even her hair all sparked that deep deep lust... For power,] he says with a maniacal laugh. [say: Power! I followed suit, as most of us did willingly. I was gleeful to sacrifice my soul! I was BEAUTIFUL! So massive and strong, with incredible control. I was finally a GOD compared to mortal men.

>>45697
>I don't know 90% of Akbal's writing
That's pretty obvious, yes

>>45700
>ignore all points made
>back up no citations called for
>just point to the fact the other person doesn't even need to read much to know you're wrong
<After everyone pointed out how objectively wrong he is, anon has to start backpedaling and pretend he was trying to be retarded obviously
On the one hand, I do get the inkling that you're feeling embarassed, but you are hidden enough behind the fact we're all anonymous to not take it too hard
Yet, you'll think about this for days, feeling bitter that you got called out as a retard
You can't even reply to me saying this without confirming it's eating you up

>>45698
This, what the fuck is everyone smoking? Random NPCs written for this mod are more powerful than Lethice because early-mid /hgg/ was obsessed with pushing the combat system to its limit whereas Lethice was crapped out over a few days by a team of people who hated CoC and wanted it completed and dead so that it wouldn't outshine CoC2 (hahahahahaha)

>>45703
>This, what the fuck is everyone smoking?
It's literally just one anon who is that retarded.

>>45704
That is cause for saying "everyone" here

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>>45705
Heh, that's pretty sad and unfortunate, but a joke we all get because of it's relative nearness to the reality of our situation. To you, I chuckle, however feel no less resentful as the recognition of our dwindling numbers will only exacerbate the decay and hinder growth—growth however foolish to be preparing for.

How do you pronounce "Tel'adre"?
Tel a drey
Tel ader
Tela dree
Tel-ya-later

Tell otter

>>45707
I always pronounced it: Tell-ah-der. I don't think that's how it's actually pronounced, but it makes me happy.

>>45707
>How do you pronounce "Tel'adre"?
The first one. "Tel A-drey"

>>45707
Tel'Adre, rhymes with Tell ar(as in arcane) grey. It's how the game's writers pronounce it in that D&D campaign they ran several years ago.. I think it is, at least. Come to think of it, Fenoxo might have actually pronounced it "Tel-adruh."

>>45707
Telly-dre

>>45712
>"They sound like the kind of people that would jew me out with taxes," Telly says. Spoken like a true merchant.

>>45714
Avoiding taxes is a human need and right

>>45715
>Human
I wonder what Telly was before she became a demon.
I wonder what kind of demon she was before becoming an Alice.
I wonder how she pissed who off so much that she was turned into an Alice.
For as firmly and strongly as it's been stated that she's just a side character and should never be more than that, I really wish I knew her backstory and married her

>>45717
She pissed off the demon-IRS.

>>45718
>Not paying taxes leads to one of the worst punishments demons have

>>45722
It wasn't the arson, the murders, the gang crime
it was not paying taxes that did Al Capone in

>>45722
>The punishment for demon tax evasion is getting  turned into a helpless loli and being tossed into the drider pit

>>45726
>Liddelium was developed to punish tax evaders
>Telly the main reason it had so much traction

>>45707
Tell Audrey

>>45707
/tɛlˈɑː.dɹeɪ/

>>45717
She was a bad loli that needed to be punished.

>>45749
Her punishment isn't over, she needs to marry us

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I'm not sure of it, but I think a good followup to the factory is 
>If you overloaded the valves
>And if you spared the life of the overseer
Approaching the island of Marae, you arrive to find the corrupted husk of a deity relishing in the bliss of raping the omnibus who has lost her mind in the pleasure, with some lightly conveyed exposition suggesting or stating that the over-eager demon noticed the overwhelming flood of corruption careening down the mountain and thought the soul of the goddess could be her ticket to getting vengence on you. 
The foolish, short-sighted bimbo. 
But her fate is so much better than what she had planned, as now she gets to experience divine sex for eternity. 
Some such text to that effect. 
This shows off that, immediately, you shouldn't be trusting a demon even if she promises to never show her face again, that Marae is now lustful and very dangerous, and also that her lethicite is a prize any demon aware of the change would wish for—indirectly hinting at trading it with the hellhound master, and also just generally expressing that it's a powerful object to get ahold of.

Meanwhile if one of these conditions are not met, you just get the normal result already in game. 
Thoughts?

>>45751
>This shows off that, immediately, you shouldn't be trusting a demon even if she promises to never show her face again
>Thoughts?
Your interpretation of demons is entirely two dimensional. Demons can be trusted as long as you take the nature of their demonhood into account. Not all of them will backstab or immediately betray you or abandon their word just because they're demons.
Other than that, I suppose that's one way to go anout things. But how will you deal with Revamp's painfully out of place corrupted Marae fight where you can kill her? What happens to the overseer then?

>>45754
>Not all of them will backstab or immediately betray you or abandon their word just because they're demons.
They probably would the exact moment your interests no longer align, or perhaps, when they stop fearing you. 
Although, I suppose there's that demon in the desert who drains that one guy's huge balls. She stays with him whether he goes demon or not; I think she mentions having a contract with him too? If she does, would demons really be bound by such a thing? Would magic contracts be its own thing in CoC, something anyone can make, or is it only for demons?

>>45751
>thoughts
You're retarded, please never post again

>>45755
>I think she mentions having a contract with him too? If she does, would demons really be bound by such a thing?
That's another one of those things in the game that has been there from its inception and completely forgotten. Demons used to take a far more classical approach in their existence before being fleshed out. Almost everything from the very early game was just forgotten or completely dropped along the way and never mentioned again. I'd liken it to something discussed earlier in the thread but do not want to flare up that discussion again.

This being a dropped piece of lore is coincidentally why Savin is a fucking retard who thinks items or even people can pass through the portals out of Mareth once a year. The demons were at the start of the game very clearly set up to be these enticers, silver-tongued devils speaking of promises and bargains to the elders in return for sending over "champions". They could've never given them anything like vitality tinctures or crap like that because nothing ever physically goes back out through the portals. This approach to the demons aligns perfectly with the whole contractually bound stuff in the beginning stages of how demons were envisioned before slowly being added to. Of course, no one should expect anything better from Savin, he has no clue of anything lore-related to this game and just writes his OC DnD campaign sequel with whatever he wants even if it not at all lines up with anything established in the original.
A true hack until the end with no interest in anything but money and being internet famous while having an ego the size of Jupiter.

>>45765
So, the gigaball guy succ is ded lore demon.

>>45768
>>45765
No one had a fucking clue what demons were back then. 
Look at Exgartuan

>>45768
Read the thread. Demons are not a one-size-fits-all kind of being.

>>45770
Well succubi are

>>45771
Are you going to continue to be retarded?

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>>45772
>being so ESL you can't get the joke
How embarrassing for you.

>>45765
I have quotes saved somewhere of Savin and The Observer discussing how they had specifically avoided making CoC 2's main villain an "evil" demon who was "over the moral event horizon" for the sake of making sure they didn't lose subscribers. For those who aren't aware, Kasyrra (CoC 2's antagonist, at least at first) is the closest thing they have to a mascot and is one of the game's most popular characters, and so early on in the game's development they decided that they couldn't allow her to become an actual villain and relegated her to the status of "recurring Lich King-like antagonist who secretly likes the player and whom the player secretly likes." Savin was apparently prevented from making her a real enemy by the fact that too many of the people paying his bills adore her, and so decided to turn her into a joke character who pops up in Christmas and Halloween-themed outfits at the appropriate times of year and "rapes" (of course, Patreon dictates that there can never be rape in CoC 2, just surprise sex that the player inevitably comes to enjoy) the player before blowing them a kiss in classic "N-not like I like you or anything, baka!" style and running off.

The difference between CoC 1's rough-diamond, "soulful" qualities (being written by someone who, for the most part, was just doing it for the hell of it and added stuff on a whim like gigaballs and penis demons) and CoC 2, which was written and planned from the beginning to be a cash cow - and its apparent failure to capture the porn zeitgeist in the way CoC 1 did despite specifically setting out to only add content that its playerbase wanted - is incredibly interesting to me. Everyone seems to agree that CoC 1 was the more popular game despite being worse by every possible objective metric. Why?

>>45774
>Everyone seems to agree that CoC 1 was the more popular game despite being worse by every possible objective metric.
It's better by almost every possible objective metric?

>>45773
It wasn't that funny and there was an equal chance you were dead serious about continuing to misinterpret anyone no matter how underage could fathom.

>>45774
Say what you will about writing inconsistencies, but the setting for CoC is much better than that of the sequel. You come into Mareth at a time when Lethice has almost completely destroyed the place; most races are tainted to some degree and pure settlements are exceptions rather than the norm. CoC2 seems like it's supposed to be about not!Mareth before Lethice's invasion, but that means removing the unique parts of CoC and leaving only a generic fantasy world.
And the follower system seems kinda shit, insofar as it lowers the impact of individual actions and makes fights much less clear. Not that it matters, since CoC2 fights are piss easy.
Finally, CoC simply has a lot more content.

>>45774
who is everyone

>>45774
The boring explanation is there simply wasn't as many games out there a decade ago, especially in the western sector.

>>45775
Well, combat is more of a lateral change, having pros and cons. Writing isn't really better, having some pros, but largely the same issues except longer without the degree of choice and agency to justify the additional length. The engine isn't flash, and being supported is maybe arguably an upgrade. The stylistic choice, cohesion, and direction... 

Well, I can't think of a single objective metric, but at least you could argue the switch to java is maybe better. Just because flash can't run in browsers now.
I kind of prefer flash over java, personally.
Or is it HTML5? HTML5 makes more sense, but for some reason java sounds familiar.

>>45787
It's written in javascript. The biggest problem it has code wise is the fact that they condense the code into up until recently, a singular file. Having nearly 100MB of code in one file made the game really laggy and unresponsive. The code is broken up now compared to before, but it's still condensed into large files. It'll be a hassle to separate, but because it's not compiled into something like an swf, it'll be very easy for anyone to edit after that happens.
Requiring members to be in your party for certain events is also bothersome, because you have to keep running back to waypoints to change members. Some companions also don't act themselves at all in quite a few scenes.
Combat also sucks, especially when you go to the rift and fight jotuns that'll 100 - 0 you in a single turn even with easy mode's 25% reduced damage. It's extremely imbalanced because the numbers on all sides are way too high.
Tons of scenes with NPCs also make sure to remind you, sometimes multiple times on one page, that the character fucks things besides you. There's even a water elemental that despite never having children and being a water elemental, has a line stating that she's born children of another race already. The characters that only care about the player, like Brienne, are well written. But some of the other good writers were driven away from the project entirely, which should tell you something.

>>45783
Savin and Fenoxo as well as CoC's few remaining original writers who remained in the community long enough to see CoC2 release. Savin often complained that CoC remained popular even before CoC2 came out and regularly aggressively questioned why the game continued to be discussed despite it being dead. He claimed that CoC had "more of a memetic cultural impact" than TiTS and CoC2. Fenoxo often discusses CoC's popularity and remarked with sadness on a few occasions that 1) No character he ever made was ever as popular as Urta, and 2) That everyone always tells him they liked CoC more when discussing his games. Other writers for the original game that I've spoken to in private have made similar comments.

>>45774
>Why?
You explained it yourself 1 was a soulful game made for fun and 2 is a shameless cashgrab. Also I would argue that 2 is only objectively better in a small number of mechanical ways.

>>45774
I think a big factor is mechanics and fetish variety. CoC1 is extremely easy to get into, the intro is simple and gets you engaging with the world as quickly as possible, the combat is simple, and exploration is two button clicks. Then you've got a wide variety of content, from whores to waifus, furshit to demons, conventional monstergirls like nagas to weird monstergirls that turn your colon into a beehive. Those two mix perfectly and allow a first time player to easily lose themselves for hours until their dick hurts.

TiTS arguably succeeds in mechanics, but the range of fetishes is narrower and it seems like the corporate dystopia thing just isn't as appealing as fantasy. Still relatively popular, just not as much. CoC2 on the other hand fucks up both mechanics and variety. The combat and exploration is needlessly obtuse, you're bombarded with walls of text before you're invested enough to care about anything going on, and Savin's tastes and pompous attitude towards writing dominate the game. Its harder to access the content, and even harder to find content you actually like.

I enjoy this mod and find it to be my favorite erotic text game.
Possibly my favorite text game entirely, but it seems a little sad if I say that.

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>>45514
Been a week I guess.
First request I get, I write
As usual,
 - One off scenes only (like a victory sex option for a fight, a camp sex option, a fluff scene, so on)
 - Actually could get accepted as a submission (in-character, consistent with lore, etc)

>>45804
Consensual sex with the bee girl, maybe as a followup option after eating her out. I don't recall any lore reason for her vagina to be rape-only, she just happens to not have any consensual scenes besides oral and ass-eggs.

>>45805
Quality request. I wish there was more content for the bee girls on par with the sand witches. If only I knew how to write degenerate smut.

>>45804
Alt Farm intro for child PCs

>>45805
That will take some reading, I'm not actually very familiar with the bee. 
>BeeGirlScene.as
It appears if you have a bee dick or a beeg big dick, you get the option to have sex with her normally, no rape or anal egg.
Females bee players also get to have consensual sex with her.
If you don't have a beeg dick
>say: Zzzo, the queen hazzz zzzaid that we can try a little experiment with you, if thingzzz work out, maybe we won't use zzzo much buzzzing and honey.] She giggles, [say: Firzzzt time, no eggzzz, zzzo you don't have to worry. Are you ready to have zzzome fun?]
There appears to be a consensual sex scene after you'd rejected and established you don't want eggs in your bowels
>bringing your [cock] to her exotic breasts and crushing it between them. You cry out in dismay
Why do her tits sound so painful?
>
Alright that one was just 69 and you cum after a single paragraph of having your cock crushed by her titties, then your character thinks to themself "How'd she learnt o be such a good lover?"
Reminds me of reading through the fetish cult and centaurs cum after only a single sentence and then the girl says thanks.
And wondering how she's so good after such a bad scene reminds me of the fetish cultist having the line "Maybe she's a real sex god?"
But I'm getting off topic. That was just if you're a herm. If you're male, then
>[say: Where do you want thizzz? I'm actually not zzzure what would be the mozzzt enjoyable for you...] she asks. You smile and indicate her honeypot, and say that you want to put your cock in there. She looks at you confused for a few moments before saying, [say: Really? That doezzzn't zzzound right, but ok.]
Higher quality writing than Kitteh's, but the spirit is there, and that makes for the best reading for me. It's weird and funny, but not abysmal 
>Clearly this feeling is almost unknown to her, and she has never willingly partaken before with an individual such as yourself. You gently push her up your shaft, but are surprised when she slams your [cock] back home. You look up at her face to see that her lips have formed into an 'O' shape. She is clearly enjoying this immensely
I wouldn't figure she's never had consensual sex, but alright. The O face is silly. What a trip.
>The bee girl floats off of you slightly dizzed, gives an attempt at a bow at you before flying off.
After you make her cum, she bows, how polite! I almost expect the player to be performing a happy jig after finding out they made a girl orgasm.

Right then, so there is consensual sex with the bee girl for males, females, and herms, plus she'll eat your ass if you're genderless. 
>>45812
Off the top of my head, I honestly don't know what I'd change about it. I could probably come up with a tiny little bit to change, but its a bit underwhelming to output a request so small, so I'll look into it and try to do that for you, but also take another request from someone else.

>>45813
>Right then, so there is consensual sex with the bee girl for males, females, and herms, plus she'll eat your ass if you're genderless. 
I'd imagine then at this point, the request would ask for you to provide all 4 options for all players, and fix up the extremely bad writing.  Or just make a brand new scene that is the same regardless of gender, like most consexual scenes without specific body parts that is.

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>>45813
Well shit, guess the conditions are so specific I forgot about it. Alright, how about a Ro'Gar date rape scene for female/herm PCs? Characters with specific tastes tend to still offer some content even if you don't meet their requirements, but Shrek stands out as a complete waste of space if you aren't a gay man. No services or conversations even for male PCs, and anything too feminine basically gets told to fuck off.

I imagine you would just badger him into accepting drinks (since the PC isn't carrying roofies and a miniquest to get them from Rathazul would be too much for one small scene) until he's too fucked up to resist or remember anything, then drag him into a back room. Could be cowgirl with a choice between vaginal/anal since he rejects traps too IIRC.

>>45815
>so specific
Either you're a bee morph, or you have a big dick, or you tell the bee girl you don't want it in the ass because you're afraid of that new experience, so she wants to butter you up with a very poorly written scene of consensual sex in hopes that, next time, you'll be more open to anal play.
The other anon is right, some stuff should probably be done to fix that up. Still, that's likely to be a suite of gender versions for the Duty route, rather than fear, and probably calls for that to develop a little bit more. Maybe I'll keep some of that in the back of my mind. Maybe just clean up the trashpile later. I don't know. I'll make a note of it.
>Ro'Gar daterape for non-males
That's fun. I don't think I'd have ever thought up that one on my own, despite the concept intriguing me. Like the bee, I'll have to do a bit of reading to get up to speed with Ro'gar
>A miniquest to get roofies from Rathazul would be too much for a one-off
Funny, but even if it wasn't breaking out of the one-off requirement, I don't think I'd agree to the idea of going off and getting daterape drugs from Rath. 
>
After reading a fair amount of Ro'gar and jotting a few notes, including a few places to put (ischild) checks while I'm at it, I think I'm getting a solid enough grasp of him. 
I should probably have some corruption checks for females that get rejected by him before he moves to Tel'adre so there can be some more mild spite rather than disappointment. Not full arrogance that the corrupt player would be declined, something a little vague for whatever your headcanon is. 
Those are little details, no big deal. I'll save the actual writing of a scene for tomorrow.
That aside, how do people think the lonely swamp neet should act around kids? I lean on the initially benign side, like he's just helping a kid that seems to handle themselves mostly, but then as the potentially male child seems to like him, his expressed loneliness gets the better of him and he leans into it.
No rejection over age, but slightly more awkwardness about it.

Did dodge skills not stacking properly with the Red Bodysuit ever get fixed?