/retro/ - Y2K

>>4516 (OP) 
Haven't seen, but have heard. It was a matter of the Overton Window being in a different direction  back then, among other things.

It was just different attitudes at the time, different things were/weren't considered offensive. Watched WKRP in Cincinatti recently and they refer to Venus as a negro on multiple occasions and crack jokes about it (a kid even calls him "boy" to his face). Race wasn't considered as a touchy subject back then while sex was, today it seems to be the inversion of that.

>>4516 (OP) 
I've never actually watched in episode, but from what I understand Archie Bunker was a character who was supposed to make the people he's patterned after look bad. It ended up backfiring when audiences end up liking him and identifying with him. A lot of viewers even assumed Carroll O'Connor shared the character's political views.

It kind of reminds me of how American History X was basically an anti-neo-Nazi skinhead flick but according to what I've read accidentally ended up getting a decent amount of people interested in that whole scene.

>>4518
>while sex was, today it seems to be the inversion of that.
Despite the political climate, people are now prudish to an extreme. Pretty much every happening these days is zoomers clutching pearls about sex.

>>4538
I wonder if this means that gen alphas are going to flip the other way and become Brave New World tier hedonists and exhibitionist?

>>4539
Bold to assume that degree of sex-positivity will be permitted in public debauchery.

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>>4545
Yeah, ahead of its time

Yes. We actually live in really prude times now and people don't seem to be aware of it. The 80s and 90s were sexually a lot more open. The pearl clutching started in the late 90s and accelerated in the 00s.

>>4516 (OP) 
Browsing Negrogrounds and what the fuck happened? Since when it was fine to accept the crayon eating tards at Deviantart with open arms? Both sites were the opposite of each other and now they're the same shit?

>>4548
You forced faggotry onto others, they'll snap, it's an endless cycle of the weak destroying shit and future generations will redo their shit until hey get burned out.

>>4581
Newgrounds was losing relevance after the death of flash, so when Deviantart and Tumblr went to shit NG pivoted to being the "alternative" art website. Come to think of it NG was always full of degenerates so I'm not too worried about them, I would only worry about the censorship culture that permeated DA/Tumblr seeping into NG.

My mom watches this sometimes and she told me that they put a disclaimer before the reruns claiming that the show doesn't represent the views of the network airing it because of how "outdated" it is despite being edgy when it was airing.

>>4516 (OP) 
As others have already pointed out, Archie Bunker's character was written as satire, much like Homer Simpson.  That is to say that media provides prescriptive rather than descriptive depictions of society.

It's a relatively small group of people who decide what to prescribe as "real", so I wouldn't put any stock in the fact that such-and-such used to be considered kosher.

Well OP, people weren't such political correct pussies back then. This is how they could laugh at someone like Archie Bunker. Now that commies have politicized everything, you can't do anything but either propaganda or something like the Care Bears.

There was some of this, sure, but the bulk of daytime TV was squeaky clean, especially the stuff on network TV over the rabbit ears. After hours (8 or 9ish) this stuff came on, especially if you had cable TV.

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>>4539
I'm okay with a certain amount of hedonism as long as it's done responsibly and with any negative repercussions minimized. While I get and agree with some of the concerns, I find so much of the complaining about "degeneracy" annoying.

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>>4516 (OP) 
Most of Usenet was unmoderated. If you didn't like what someone posted, you just ignored it, because big boys can do that. Or conversely, you could insult them and tell them off, but that might start a flamewar. If someone was a complete shithead and kept trolling constantly, you put them in your killfile (filter) and all their posts were then invisible to you. Since your killfile was managed by your Usenet client, which also managed threading, you had a lot of control. When web forums took over, that was all lost as the control and software became centralized (i.e. censorable) to the web server hosting the forum. The interface also became slower, less flexible and more complicated, while at the same time requiring more hardware resources and providing less features (e.g. lost was the ability to trivially save posts & threads that was standard in all Usenet clients).
> Archie Bunker
BTW, Archie was a search engine for FTP sites, so you could find software and various other files. I used it long ago but don't remember too much. I look in my Linux and BSD package lists and there's nothing related anymore. I guess it's been out of usage for a very long time. Maybe it's time to bring it back? Because quite frankly I'm fed up of the modern Internet for a very long time. It was a lot easier for me to do stuff in the 90's with simple FTP client to download files, instead of jumping through tons of hoops on web file-sharing sites that need latest Web 6.66 browser technology.
Here's some TCP/IP software for DOS, in case you have an old computer (or you could try it in an emulator, I guess):
http://www.oldskool.org/guides/tvdog/internet.html
As you can see, the hardware requirements are very minimal. Those were the goold old days!

>>5186
>I guess it's been out of usage for a very long time. Maybe it's time to bring it back? 
It fell out of favour to such a degree that a bunch youtubers had to save the source code:
https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=CUwR9xdEuZI

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>>5187
Wow, these are really interesting. Thanks Anons!

>>4516 (OP) 
>All in the Family
>this is something that would not come out today
There were rumors of remake, but it seems that no studio wanted to go there
>>4525
>Archie Bunker was a character who was supposed to make the people he's patterned after look bad. It ended up backfiring when audiences end up liking him and identifying with him.
This. From what I've seen of All in the Family there is an aspect to it that is even common place in many contemporary Netflix shows and that is the moralizing. Even back then, the Archie Bunker character couldn't exist on television as some neutral character study about an otherwise unremarkable funny old guy who had his opinions, but wasn't going out of his way to hurt anyone and, as an unremarkable funny old guy, didn't have the power to oppress anyone, yet that character had to serve as the foil for how not to be and his worldview was often the butt of the jokes. Other shows produced by Norman Lear are similar in this respect in that on the surface they appear as superficial comedies, but they wouldn't have been broadcast if not for the ideology that they were espousing.
>Was the 90s more tolerant than today?
In some ways, yes, but as far as mainstream media is concerned back then the debate would have been framed in terms of "political correctness" vs. free speech instead of "woke" ideology vs. free speech and there was still that insufferable aspect of so much mainstream media having to be these stealth ideological and moral allegories rather than just telling a straight story for the sake of it.

>>5190
>insufferable aspect of so much mainstream media having to be these stealth ideological and moral allegories rather than just telling a straight story for the sake of it.
It would have all been more "sufferable" but for one basic fact: kikes did (and do) run everything in Hollyjew.

That effectively ensures that all the 'stories' line up *  according to the ((( script ))), and that anyone who gets out of line (cf. Mel Gibson) gets blackballed permanently. Thankfully Mel had staying power out of his own pockets and the fact he was incredibly-popular with audiences.

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*  Hollywood is highly "incestuous" (their term): everybody knows everybody. This both makes it hard to break into, and easy to be punitive towards anyone going against the ((( narrative ))) code.

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>>5187
Unfortunately I get errors with yt-dlp even after upgrading all my installed packages, so I can't watch their video. In fact the OS did upgrade the yt-dlp package to a newer version, but it's still "too old" for youtube's shenanigans. The yt-dlp program recommended me to use "pip" to install an entire second set of Python stuff, but I think that's not worth the hassle. And anyway this pretty much illustrates just how aggravating the modern internet has become. I still remember when video files were simply downloaded into your web browser's cache directory, and you could just copy it to another directory in your $HOME to save it. That was simple enough! But then they had to change it, make everything super-duper complicated and require obnoxious workarounds to extract the video and audio streams, and then run ffmpeg to recombine them into a container format like .webm or .mp4 or whatnot. When everything magically works, that still sucks because ffmpeg runs like molasses on ARM hardware. Video playback with ffplay is no problem, but video editing with ffmpeg takes ages! So I'm just going to save myself the headache and simply delete this youtube downloader nonsense. From now on, if I can't just grab a video file directly, I'm not going to bother at all.
And basically this is what I was getting at earlier. We used to host files on FTP servers, Gopher servers, and so on. That's still possible today, those protocols still work, but nobody uses them for some reason? Actually I did manage to find an underground FTP server scene almost a decade ago (one session logfile I saved is timestamped Aug 22 2017). I downloaded a whole bunch of movies from there, and it was really convenient and easy with just the plain old command-line FTP client. That is how the internet was, and could still be.