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The alien thread has gotten me nostalgic for some good old fashioned conspiracy theories. Nowadays it's all just commodotized creepypastas and political shitflinging, which is fucking laaaaame.

What are some of your favorite conspiracy theories of the more obscure or classic varieties? Thought provoking, entertaining, or just weird.

The more schizo, convoluted, detailed, and overcomplicated the better.
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So in 2022 the very responsible people in of Birmingham's public fund decided to build an epic giant steampunk bull for the opening of the 2022 Commonwealth games (yeah that's a thing) instead of making anything good for the city.
 
And every fucking schizo christians online posted everywhere how this opening where the bull parades and you see people dancing around it was Baal worship and was clearly made by the government or royal family to show how fr3ak1ng epik satanic they are! 

But really it's just a fucking steampunk bull and this animal has been a symbol of Birmingham since years but religious crazies think that shit was made to DDoS your soul,mind and body.Which is really funny kinda like religious crazies who really think that we've found giant human remains and the government wants to hide the truth that nephelin exist to control us somehow.
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>>1818 (OP) 
>The alien thread has gotten me nostalgic for some good old fashioned conspiracy theories. Nowadays it's all just commodotized creepypastas and political shitflinging, which is fucking laaaaame.
The sanitization and centralization of the Internet really did a number on conspiracy theory stuff. Even on YouTube you used to be able to find a lot of zany stuff, but it got wiped out in the name of eliminating wrongthink. Do these people really think so little of the public that they believe they need censorship from self-important  "experts" to prevent them from becoming flat Earthers? And here I thought I was misanthropic.

Anyway, I've been meaning to learn more about the Richard Sharpe Shaver hollow earth kerfuffle.
>>1820
>religious crazies who really think that we've found giant human remains and the government wants to hide the truth that nephelin exist to control us
I detest organized religion, but I'm not ruling that possibility out. There are all kinds of old, obscure local histories in the U.S. mentioning giant human remains being discovered, for example. I don't really know why it would be covered up unless there's something the establishment doesn't want us to know about human history though.

I do find the fundamentalist stuff pretty frustrating in how it poisons the well for ideas that are considered fringe. More obviously, it also often closes people's minds off to possibilities they believe contradict their faith. The Project Blue Beam fearmongering from people who get really scared about the possibility of aliens existing for religious reasons I don't quite understand. I don't even see how that would even necessarily contradict the Bible. Even when I was Christian I had no problem with the possibility of alien life existing. Apologists are often good at hand-waving away contradictions anyway, but I think the biggest theological challenge would just be updating Christian soteriology. Did Jesus die for intelligent non-human life forms too, or did they get Jesuses of their own?

The older I get, the less certain I am of things I thought had figured out and am becoming more open to ideas I thought were just schizo babble.
Recently I thought 2006 Volleyball Incident was interesting.

It goes like this; Supposedly in 2006, a school shooting took place during a volleyball game in either Nebraska, South/North Dakota, Utah, Oregon, or Montana. Despite some people claiming to remember it, there was no news coverage nor records of the incident happening.
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>>1829
I think I remember this. I was searching around for some form of proof of this happening and apparently this a snippet from a "home video" lol
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also this was the rest of the media i had. all from the same person recording
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Hollow Earth has always been one of my favorites. I think there probably are supersubterranean mega cave systems with undiscovered life in them. Probably nothing crazy, but the idea of a race of evil lizard people deep underground is really fun, especially if they're hoaxing themselves being from outer space.
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>>1845
>I think there probably are supersubterranean mega cave systems with undiscovered life in them. 
That reminds me. There's a sequel to this one book  that was about a lost world type island filled with 40k tier death world descendants of mantis shrimp. Any way in the sequel they find a enclosed cave system full of similar deadly animals all derived from cephapopods and one of them is basically a mindflayer that can control and puppeteer people or other animals.
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>>1849
Sounds cool as shit. Do you remember the name of the book at all?
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>>1850
Yeah Fragment is the first book and the second is Pandemonium.
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>>1851
this sounds awesome i will read this
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More occult than conspiracy but the US government does come into it. Something I heard recently that I found convincing is that corn is demonic. Corn originated in South America back when it was ruled by the Aztec gods, which are obviously demons. Demanding human sacrifices and preventing them form achieving the technological prowess that they aught to (wheels for toys but not for carts, etc.). All the legends on corns origins concur that it was a gift from these gods (demons), one example has corn being scabs and sores that a women (demon) rubs off her body in secret and feeds to her family; once they discover the origin they refuse to eat and starve to death. Now corn is very bad food, the worst factory farmed grain by far (and grains in general tend to be low in nutritional value). It's barely digestible to humans; makes you fat and starves you at the same time without even providing any rare or particularly important vitamins. It's also one of the cornerstones of the Standard American Diet. Corn syrup is actually inescapable in the US and corn is even used for fuel; all because of massive subsidies payed right out of the Uncle Sam's pocket. And all the corn farming is the worst of factory farming, massive mono-cultures of inbred gmo plants drenched in pesticides and unnatural fertilizers that slowly are turning Middle America into a dessert (I live there in a dying town, abandoned fields just don't regrow with anything outside of stubby shrubs and grasses even after years left wild, and runoff makes all wild herbs completely inedible.) And corn based fuels are consider sustainable and renewable! HA! But why are the feds dumping so much money into corn? The US used to use cane sugar like the rest of the world, but most of that sugar was imported from Cuba. Cuba was sanctioned and suddenly there's no more sugar. The us tried growing both corn and sugar beets to make of for this, subsidizing both. But a blight came and killed all the beets leaving only the demonic corn. And with the green revulsion now the Midwest is 90% corn by area and most of that isn't even given to Americans, it's exported. The feds made a dark deal with the corn demons, and now the US is completely dependent on it; a small deal with the devil among many, many that the US regime made to stay in power at the expense of it's people.
>>1863
I never heard that one before. Technically corn domestication began with the time of the Olmecs, which weren't really into human sacrifice. Human sacrifice in mesoamerican society seemed to have been a result of a slow degradation over time that reached a crescendo by the time of the late Aztec era.
It DID remind me of a story that I heard that the reason you popped corn was to force a demon or spirit out of the corn kernel.
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>>1863
Cornfields make me feel at home, but I have to admit that the corn industry should be done away with.
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>>1880
Corn cultivation would be just fine without the likes of ((( Monsanto ))) and their army of ((( lawyers ))).
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>>1863
You know the corn story also jogged my memory about this tale I once heard about a black eyed shaman, which I think had something to do with the kokopelli, but I only heard it once and that was a long time ago and I can't really retell it properly. Anyone else heard anything similar?
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>>1863
>I found convincing is that corn is demonic
As someone who worked in one of them fields this sounds interesting
>Corn originated in South America
It originated in Aridarmerica which is around the Southwest US and Northern Mexico, far away from the South of the continent
>back when it was ruled by the Aztec gods
Even if you wanted to say it didn't actually originate in the place but the era where the Aztec ruled, this is still wrong, Aztec Kingdom was strictly in Central America (hence Mesoamerican cultures) and they used corn just like everyone else did, the real problem is when they used it in rituals to cook and eat it refined after lacing it with blood, kinda like jews do with their bread.
>Demanding human sacrifices and preventing them form achieving the technological prowess that they aught to (wheels for toys but not for carts, etc.)
The demand is indeed fishy, the technological prowess is highly debatable as Aztecs were advanced in many fields and even surpassing European prowess in others (agriculture, building foundational construction, building acoustics, astrology, medicine) while grossly behind in others to the point of being just barely ahead africans (textiles, metal, weaponry, maritime navegation).
The wheel argument is a meme because aztec peoples were living in mountainous areas with harsh volcanic soil, the wheel was so impractical that even the spaniards went down using donkeys, mules and horses like the ones before in that region until civil work had razed and made roads centuries after conquering.
The mayans had the same ordeal but in highly-dense jungle environments, not even the brits used the wheel when they had the same lands or similar ones like the amazon jungle.
>All the legends on corns origins concur that it was a gift from these gods (demons)
Not really but it is an archetype
>Now corn is very bad food
Completely and utterly wrong
>the worst factory farmed grain by far
Key here is factory-farmed, when enriched or used in concentration it is indeed bad like most things, do not confuse HF corn syrup with a sweet corn cocktail.
>It's barely digestible to humans
You need to treat it with limestone first, it's a known fact for millennia and even then many european cultures still don't do it and also only eat the sweet corn variant.
>makes you fat and starves you at the same time without even providing any rare or particularly important vitamins
So wrong it's not even funny.
>It's also one of the cornerstones of the Standard American Diet. Corn syrup is actually inescapable in the US
Eat hominy pork stew, corn can be had in many forms and sweet corn is not the only form. Americans should know this for centuries but paradoxically they still don't, even beans have been forgotten in the Standard Diet.

>>1884
In the Southwest US/Northwest Mexico the dancing messenger injun archetype is quite common, some plains indian ones along with a couple of mesoamerican cultures. It usually means the forthcoming of good news/days, at least in the border desert areas in which the dancing injun appears (Arizonan Kokopelli, Sonoran Deer Man) but they tend to pick other meanings over the years (after conquest and/or missionaries) or heavily focus on others, the Deer Man itself became a tribute to hunting and particularly the prey rather than the forthcoming of something, Kokopelli usually appeared when the crops were halfway into maturing for harvesting, in terms of corn this is around Easter which is often when most of these celebrations occur so missionaries took it from there.
When Euros brought wheat and other winter crops many of these extensive celebrations lost some of their importance because injundom could eat fairly well all year round. Also Rice.
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>>1890
Aztec anon is that you?
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>>1891
This is like the third or fourth time my good anon friend but it isn't me, who knows what happened to that fellow but certainly he was much, much more advanced in that field than me.
The other day i saw some posts in spanish and it fitted his description but the anon didn't know the obvious weaponry knowledge Aztec anon had so false alarm. Many anons i wish i knew their posting grounds, perhaps some of them weren't kidding when they said they would quit if previous sites went down.
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>>1863
the SOG pajeet faggot mutahar the shitskin covered this congrats
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>>2108
I've never seen his videos before now, but it feels weird that someone that big covered our site and ripped on my (admittedly poorly phrased) comment about the corn industry.

He sure doesn't seem to know what he's talking about if he's trying to equate some out-of-the-way imageboard with the actual dark web. Hopefully this doesn't lead to a flood of clueless chucklefucks shitting up this site.
>>2116
His viewers aren't really smart so there is no need to worry.
>>2116
He's just a Cr1tikal copycat YouTube news aggregator who makes absolutist statements based on his subjective opinions constantly, except with a "don't go on the deep web at 2 AM (gone wrong)" 2nd page of Google cocomelon horror gimmick to appeal to dingus-coded dorks. The term "deep web" has pretty much lost all meaning anyways in the era where search engines only want to show you a selection of the same 30 or so sites no matter what you search, and rate those sites so highly there are at least tens of thousands of actual real websites indexed by the search engine that are impossible to find through the search engine.
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my absolute favorite: https://forum.agoraroad.com/index.php?threads/the-rise-of-the-technocrats-and-the-fall-of-labor-power.5971/
>>2116
You didn't make that post liar.
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>>2146
Yes, I did. Unless you think I'm talking about the one I was responding to.
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>>1818 (OP) 
There's a theory gaining traction here in Canada that the government is embedding 50-meter-long spying cameras under our pavements. And it's not just about surveillance—they're supposedly trying to control and evolve human behavior.

The idea is that these aren't regular cameras. They're advanced sensors that can pick up conversations, biometrics, even mental states. The government allegedly uses this data to create detailed profiles on us, subtly influencing our thoughts and actions.

This operation has been dubbed "Operation Evolve." According to the theory, a secret government agency is behind it, working with top tech firms and scientists. Their goal? To accelerate human evolution by exposing us to controlled stimuli and gathering data to guide our development.

Supporters of this theory point to several pieces of "evidence." For one, there's been a noticeable increase in road construction projects in major Canadian cities. They claim these projects are a cover for installing the hidden cameras. There’s also been a surge in government contracts with tech companies specializing in surveillance and data analytics.

Additionally, they note unusual street closures and the presence of unmarked vehicles at odd hours as further proof of covert activities. Some even believe the government is making subtle changes in education and public messaging to prepare us for a future where our evolution is directed by technology. 
Despite the skepticism, this theory has gained a following among those distrustful of government intentions and concerned about privacy.
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>>1829
I can't confirm but i recall hearing that apparently the first time that was mentioned on the internet was in an iceberg chart, so it probably didn't happen.
>>2152
https://www.wired.com/story/amazon-ai-cameras-emotions-uk-train-passengers/
I vote plausible,the tech is out there.
>>1818 (OP) 
The conspiracies I like the most are either small scale or founded on the idea that every conspiracy has a second meaning. For example, MKULTRA and its related programs only ended because they were exploratory and successful. A guy rumored to be the son of one of the most influential members of the program now makes art videos. A more out-there conspiracy is that Tasmanians abandoned fishing because they saw the effects of a massive fire from the mainland caused by Abbo fire farming going out of control, potentially the same fire which caused the collapse of any potential Abbo civilization.
>>2116
SOG made decent content when he read trollpastas and creepypastas, but he fell into the "horror YouTuber" crowd, then the "longform content" crowd, before finally becoming a Cr1tikal/Whang clone.
I read Edward Snowden's memoir; "Permanent Record" a few years ago and it actually made me stop using the internet for like a year.

Nowadays I've given up. I rely too heavily on Apple services and Windows to live in a cabin in the woods.
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I do not understand AIDS, it makes no sense to me on a number of levels.

Despite being a disease that largely kills homosexuals and Africans AIDS research receives billions in funding, compare this to monkeypox which has almost no funding in comparison.

Despite the funding there is no vaccine for HIV yet feline immunodeficiency virus has a vaccine and so does Simian immunodeficiency virus, two very similar lentiviruses. 

People have clearly been dying of something but the argument that deaths attributed to HIV are instead the result of infections arising from drug use weakening the immune system, needle contamination, and unprotected anal sex seems to make more sense.
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>>2175
AIDS denialism has existed since HIV was discovered. AIDS is really the end-stage of HIV which is, either by design or action, almost completely unique to humans. Almost every HIV case appears in risk-taking populations such as homosexuals, Africans and African-Amercans, prostitutes, drug addicts, the homeless, and, indirectly, sexually assaulted children. Duesberg's hypothesis that AIDS is caused by promiscuity and a degenerate lifestyle is only incorrect in its position that HIV does not establish a foundation for AIDS, something the scientific community tore into it for.

For comparison, imagine a decaying tooth. While a tooth may never stop decaying without direct treatment and a minor replacement, you can stop it by taking risk-adverse actions. If you brush your teeth, floss, and apply protective medication, you may never suffer tooth decay again even if you continue to consume food which would promote it, despite being more susceptible to it than you were initially. Now, imagine what happens if risk-taking behaviors are continued or no treatment is applied. You eventually require increasingly large, if not complete, replacements. That's a bad thing, and it's acknowledged as such by society. This same process occurs with HIV and AIDS. Rather than a tooth, it's your immune system. The difference is that many of the immuno-suppressing actions which can accelerate the development of HIV are socially difficult to advise against, prohibit, or acknowledge.

As for FIV and SIV vaccines, those are only temporary.
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>>2176
Are you saying HIV is a virus or that HIV is the culmination and repeated effect of harmful behaviours such as drug use, non-sterile needle use, and sodomy?

The FIV vaccine has flaws and isn't perfect but it is far beyond anything with have for HIV maugre the funding for HIV being a magnitude of degree higher than funding for FIV.

The main thing that makes no sense for me is why HIV/AIDS receives so much funding when other diseases that largely kill the decadent and Africans are routinely ignored and giving little interest.
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>>2177
>Are you saying HIV is a virus or that HIV is the culmination and repeated effect of harmful behaviours such as drug use, non-sterile needle use, and sodomy?
HIV is a virus. AIDS is its end stage. There is really no difference between them. AIDS isn't inevitable, but the repeated effects of risk-taking actions will eventually push someone with HIV to AIDS faster than non-treatment. 
>The FIV vaccine has flaws and isn't perfect but it is far beyond anything with have for HIV maugre the funding for HIV being a magnitude of degree higher than funding for FIV.
HIV mutates at a faster rate than FIV and SIV, especially immediately after infection, and it integrates itself in the cells of any number of parts of the immune system, where it may stay dormant. HIV has more variants and higher variance than most other IVs, and congregating human subjects for testing across variants is difficult. Despite being the basis of almost all major modern HIV vaccine research, the efficacy of the results of SHIV (SIV-HIV hybrid) infections of macaques is questionable, so there's no foolproof animal model. A traditional inactive vaccine cannot be made because it will always run the risk of infecting people with HIV. The only way to have completely effective HIV research would be to intentionally infect people and study them.
>The main thing that makes no sense for me is why HIV/AIDS receives so much funding when other diseases that largely kill the decadent and Africans are routinely ignored and giving little interest.
HIV is given priority study because it caused a humanitarian crisis in America in the 80s, and the insufficient (or negligent) addressing of this at the time alongside a rapidly swinging perception against gays and blacks, two minority groups which were emerging from their troubles with social acceptance, caused it to become highly politicized. Giving up on HIV research would be like giving up on breast cancer research, despite how pointless both of them are in comparison to research in similar subjects. It would be an admission that every celebrity and civilian spokesperson for HIV awareness did something abnormal to get it, such as Magic Johnson having sex with hundreds of women yearly.
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>>1836
>>2180
>Magic Johnson
It's a glamour profession. Living hard will take its toll.
Do u have whole recording of the 2006 school shooting incident?
I read a post from a Hungarian guy claiming that there are people who think Jesus was actually an ancient Magyar shaman. I saw a video recently that mentioned that the equivalent of that conspiracy theory also exists elsewhere, but I can't remember what the country was. It might have been Romania. I've heard of people thinking he was a druid too.

There are also apparently Serbs who think Elon Musk is from Republika Srpska.

Maybe these aren't even really appropriate, because I'm not sure how much of a coverup the believers in these ideas really think there is.
>>1836
retarded ass AI images with a VHS filter yaaaaaawn
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>>2665
now that you mention it, the images really do look ai generated. much more unbelievable too bc it’s likely just the 2006 platte canyon high school hostage crisis with missing/different info provided
Someone linked directly to this thread on 4chan.
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>>1836
I call BS. Pretty much nothing is consistent from photo to photo, ranging from the quality, to the location, the blood splatters, the victims (look at the clothes worn in photo 4-v compared to the first photo posted). I reckon that, at best, the pic of everyone alive and fine is the only real picture, whether of this incident or just a picture of a regular volleyball game, and everything showing the aftermath is AI.
Also notice how they're all meant to be from one recording, apart from the quality wildly varying from image-to-image despite being from the same footage, the first pic has the date and time in the corner, the others don't.
>>2691
damned halfchan kids, get off my lawn
>>1836
You were on flightreacts good job nigga
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