/film/ - FILM

Most TV was completely disposable until recently - try watching a random episode of something produced in the sixties. Unbearable.
Even so, the emergence of television pulled audience away from theaters. The film industry responded by enhancing the moviegoing experience with new innovations like Cinerama, 3D and most importantly Cinemascope.
I could list some favorite TV content (and there are plenty of noteworthy miniseries and TV movies) but I was trying to think of people who developed a signature style working exclusively with television. There's Adam Curtis, Frederick Wiseman, but who else? These guys didn't just make downmarket versions of proper films, they took the TV format in a fresh direction. I suppose Ken Burns fits too, but he's a step below the other two.

>>3533
>try watching a random episode of something produced in the sixties. Unbearable.
I don't think all tv shows from that time period were necessarily like that. We still got some unique or influential stuff like the Prisoner and the original Star Trek. There was also this whole subgenre of sci-fi/mystery anthologies like Twilight Zone and the Outer Limits or Into the Unknown in the UK.

>(and there are plenty of noteworthy miniseries and TV movies)
Like what?

>>3534
>Into the Unknown
Out of the Unknown

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>>3529 (OP) 
I am fucking slow, was gonna make this thread 2 years ago

>The Prisoner
Vast majority of the hype back in the day and references are from the famous series Secret Agent Man, aka Danger Man, which starred the same protag doing what the title would suggest, despite using a lot of James Bond material as a reference the irony is that the 007 film series ripped tons of ideas from SAM.

Now, as far as i remember the trivia story is one day the actor didn't want to renew because his demands were not met and was seemingly unceremoniously laid off/forced to resign, so later some previous writers and he did a seemingly unrelated series called The Prisoner based on previous ideas and which ended up starring the man as a former secret agent, having the same code number which replaced his name, reflecting about the very similar experiences and being played around by the organization either previous employer or the enemy's, or were they the same? in a Fantasy Island setting turned crazy which interestingly enough is supposedly very similar to a place he raided in the series

As you might expect this was a fucking phenomenon and a quite explicit showdown against his former character/series, doesn't help it was released at the h

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>>3533
>Most TV was completely disposable until recently
>Unbearable.
Completely disagree but it is true that back in the day series were chuck filled with filler, which breaks a lot of narrative continuity. Although we can argue that's the entire reason for TV shows.
But like anon said we got the original Twilight Zone which is mostly very good.

One idea i had was separating the main plot from the filler in some series, The X-Files is famous for the fanbase doing that, with the so-called Mythology being 62 episodes compared to the 200 something the entire thing has.
For example The Fugitive is usually spouted as one of the most memorable series from back in the day but it's 120 episodes and all of them i saw on syndicated TV were filler, so that doesn't spell good news. 

My plan was to separate the main arc episodes from the "side quests" in series i was planning to see but ended up just watching other stuff not quite related to normal TV anime so i didn't do it, just watched a season of Renegade which was nostalgic as hell but certainly not very good and didn't really advance the plot from the pilot; a very decent time capsule of the 90's i admit, that's the only honor i would give it. 
Another idea i had was selecting what i would thi

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I saw Gonin (1995) last week.  Japanese crime movie about a club owner who tries to settle his debts with the Yakuza... by robbing the Yakuza.  The title means "five people" or "the five" if you prefer.

I found it a mixed bag.  It's violent to the point of monotony: two dudes lock eyes and you know one is going to punch the other for one reason or another.  It's self-consciously violent, kind of like Hotline Miami or Gantz where people kill partly for the thrill, without considering the consequences.  I reckon that's the main thing the film wants to talk about, along with greed, desperation, and futility.

The protagonist is a man named Bandai, a businessman with a debt to the Yakuza.  In a dream, he recalls an encounter with a flamboyant yakuza, kind of like Goro Majima.  Bandai overhears voices in the back alley, and there's great suspense as Bandai draws closer to the source of the sound.  The rhythmic pinging.  You know what that sound is.  Not-Majima is working a dude over with an aluminum bat.  He notices the interloper, and does what you expect: tries to stab Bandai in the eye with a switchblade.

I forget some of the details of the first hour, but Bandai recruits four dudes to carry out a heist:

Ogiwara, a dorky salaryman who turns out to be batshit insane.  Having lost his financial prospects, he murdered his wife and kids and now lives with their corpses while hallucinating that they're still alive.

Jimmy, a semi-retarded lowlife and perhaps the only one whose motivation is basically noble: he works a shit job and wants money to send his SEAsian hooker GF back home, where he thinks she'll be happy.  She has a weird, animalistic attitude toward life.  Also, you see her handbag at one point— I can't remember, but if it was a luxury item, that says something rather profound about her character.

Hiza, semi-reformed criminal with an estranged wife and daughter who he still cares for.  His tenacity and savoir-faire almost mark him as the hero of the story.  There is no "hero" in this story.

Mitsuya, I.E., not-Majima a Yak.  I've forgotten what his motivations were supposed to be; I wasn't paying close attention for the first hour.

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Just finished Ride With the Devil. It's definitely one of the better Civil War movies I've seen. It doesn't resort to the usual Hollywood cliches, rigid morality, or simplistic viewpoints, unlike many movies covering the conflict. Part of that comes down to its focus on the Bushwhackers and Jayhawkers. It's loosely plotted and pretty long, but I found it well worth the time.

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Beautiful film. I was preparing for a "le strong controlling psycho woman" ending à la American style (which would prompt me to hate the film) but the ending was sensible and consistent with the whole film's course.
One of the reason for my disdain of current movies is the persistence to stick to some formulated (and politically motivated) ideals that make movies so frustrating and predictable.

I just saw 3-Iron, while watching I thought this must be an allegorical movie. But I couldn't understand the allegory. Just felt like huh, so this is what happens.

Then went to log it in Letterboxd and read someone else's explanation in a review. Something about abuse. 

How do people even analyze this stuff? I consume media as well. I've read some classics. I've watched over 500 films. But I don't seem to have this analysing ability. What is it that I am missing?

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>>3536
I don't know the particular film but if you watch an old Hollywood movie you can understand the basic themes, right? Usually they aren't very complicated.

If you are watching all kinds of films it may be harder for you to see the deeper meanings than if you become familiar with the qualities of a certain niche/director. Just a one-off viewing may not be enough to accurately draw conclusions (without further guidance).

We take ownership of every /film/ reference right

>>3527
Sure seems so to me here, Anon.

I see you downloaded all the charts from the mega I posted on 4chan. I appreciate that you like the charts, but 99% of these have nothing to do with this board

Thanks to whichever one of you collected all of these. A few of my creations are in the mix but I haven't made any for a while. I had ideas for more but I'm going to have to review the collection to see what's already been done.

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>>3377
No wait, tomorrow is still inside the next week claim, I CAN DO THIS

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Otto Preminger: "My Ten Favorite Pictures" circa 1938

This sort of list is an interesting snapshot of past preferences when cinema was quite new and people had limited access to films. I hadn't even heard of some of these titles so I'll probably seek them out.
Having said that, why is the Austrian Preminger favoring mediocre Hollywood dramas over the great works of Murnau and Lang?

>>3398
>why is the Austrian Preminger favoring mediocre Hollywood dramas over the great works of Murnau and Lang?
Taking into account Otto was an uberjew i think his knack for more fantastical farces and works done by his brethren take a much bigger importance than works critical of socio-economic factors influenced by his own people, particularly the rich, bloodthirsty eastern european Orlok or the extremely manipulative and greedy Dr. Mabuse

>>3400
I didn't want to point out the obvious but that seems to be the only explanation, especially for the Emile Zola tale of antisemitism which (as the producer states in the image) no American wants to watch

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Guess the film still

https://whatthemovie.com/movies

Fun to play if you have a few spare minutes. I preferred the version on surrealmoviez which was all on-topic films, but this is okay too.

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One of the primary inspirations for Raiders of the Lost Ark was Otto Rahn, a folklorist author turned SS officer who believed he could find the Holy Grail

https://web.archive.org/web/20110516164742/http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/5407/raiders_of_the_lost_grail.html

Richard Stanley made a documentary on Otto Rahn entitled The Secret Glory

https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=r0YOeuxMOww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0YOeuxMOww

>>2273
TL;DR on this?

>>1918 (OP) 
>wholesome



Agreed, it's very wholesome and soulful, poggers!

>>2278
Literature should be mandatory for film buffs.

Otto Rhan was fascinated with 'Holy Grail' lore (it's just a cup a carpenter would use!  Probably ceramic and broken by now!).  He wrote about and spent all his money searching for it.  In the 1930's Himmler gave him a paid job to look for it - he accepted, but suicided years later after failing to find it and the SS were closing in on his secrets:  he was a poofter Jew... in the SS!

>>3261
>The chat amounts to everyone in the audience constantly texting during the movie.

Yeah. I hate those twitch-type zoomer streams too. The kind i meant is where there's only a .m3u file and you gotta open it with VLC/mpv. No chat, no bloated js.

In the chan-ring, i only know of 7ch having a (video) stream of this sort. lain has audio-only music streams.

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What does it take to make one? My connection isn't good enough to do much uploading.

>>3263
Good comprehensive guide on setting up a live streaming server:
https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-a-video-streaming-server-using-nginx-rtmp-on-ubuntu-20-04

With ffmpeg, you can hardcode subtitles using a parameter so that the stream has subs.

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I would really recommend 'Two Headed Spy', a film about Major Scotland, a British spy planted in the German army after WWI, who rose to become Lieutenant General of Logistics under Hitler.  Despite what's in the movie, he had a radio, not a contact, according to the book, and made sure the Germans:

- didn't have invasion barges after Dunkirk;
- didn't have winter furs for the Russia campaign;
- didn't have enough fuel for the Battle of the Bulge, and;
- told the allies where the German supply dumps were after the Normandy landings, so they bombed them.  Without supplies the Germans couldn't hold the line.
That well placed spy achieved so much.

It used to be available here:  

https://archive.org/details/moviesandfilms?noscript=true

But archive.org is down.  If you can find it I recommend the book.

>>3390
>That well placed spy achieved so much.
Changed the world although one of those changes we don't know if it was for the good or for the worse

>>3378
What is this referencing? Gay Cowboys from the Outer Range?

>>3385
It's an attempt to create a scene from a still from Tears of the Black Tiger - not a good video but I don't have a lot of Runway credits to burn
I'm stopped using Hailou since they required a google login but the results are so much better I'm going to have to bite the bullet and find a way to use it

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Real or fake?

You can't tell without checking

>>3330
>The Fifth Element with '50s aesthetics
Please tell us you've got a link to this trailer.

>>3362
>The value of art is not how much it costs and how little effort it requires, it’s how much would you risk to be in its presence.
IOW only risky art is valuable? What is his point?

>>3394
The first half of his statement makes sense but the rest sounds silly

>>1773
I'm going to say that there isn't despite hating them because it is sure to upset you.

>>1710 (OP) 
It seems you have problems with moralization? At least partially. 

I think part of this is, the "will of power" of artists to change reality according to their beliefs and values. Even popular film reviewers seem to want to make films "more moral". As in; "I want to create a society that is more beneficial to what I perceive my best interests to be."
See:
Why Modern Movies Suck - They Teach Us Awful Lessons
The Critical Drinker 
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Dnuqp4_K7ik
10:49 

Another rather similar thought is; what I think is, the honest belief amongst people that others thinking for themselves is dangerous to them or what they value in some way, and must be destroyed. 

Also: https://encyclopediadramatica.online/Moralfag

>>2399
*will to power

>>2399
>films "more moral". As in; "I want to create a society that is more beneficial to what I perceive my best interests to be."
Ironically that's the artist's personal reflection on his work, many like to put their values into their work, others prefer to showcase things as is ("realism") but problem is how to do such things. 
It's the case of doctrines around the "show don't tell" and "character/context consistency" a director and the writer have to do, in modern mainstream films for cattle these aspects are done poorly with many "lessons" being done telling but not showing but when they do show it the context the film was building itself around bends or stop existing to cater to said consequential actions that don't seem like consequences but inventions made out of thin air and annexed.

Capeshit, to use a popular example, is chuck filled with this kind of antics but the nigger cattle ignores it for the sake of the romanticized ending, an example would be Spiderman 2, considered a classic in the genre but with a frankly horrible ending not even kids with consciousness could eat back in the day. The other popular examples of this do the other way, they "subvert" or create an anti-thesis of said effect but end up being as horrible because they do not build anything to create the necessary context to show it, they merely do the same but in the ending they

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Going at this three years later since I can feel what OP was going for.
>>1710 (OP) 
You are facing a huge problem. Movies are a cultural medium and very often used in a controlling way to wedge an overall message. They easily tend to be preachy. It has only gotten worse while there was much less of that when the world was more free and the cinema still ventured in odd directions.
Watching movies of characters and their slice of life, doing their thing throughout the movie and sticking to what they are, good or wrong, without even looking like the screenwriter and director cared at all about how people would react to their movies, that's the way to go. So you have to look at independent movies from non-American markets. American movies LOVE having a moral message, they're always lecturing the audience like little kids. The crime and noir genres are obviously going to allow characters be on the rim of a society and just live their lives without caring much about judgemental opinions of the rest of society and thus in a meta way, of how the movie would be perceived by the real world people.  It also has two other advantages, that of being exotic because most people don't live in the crime world, and being realistic too because it involves real people, not monsters or ethereal phenomena or even futuristic themes. Horror movies could also be like that sometimes because they often focused on stupid exc

Is there anything like nobodytm or randy prozac now? Absurdist videos that are critical of modernity rather than worshiping it? I really liked some of nobody's work in particular.
Burden didn't do it for me.

>>755
good share. straight from the ether

Well, if i may meddle, for me the films that made me think and change permanently were Miike's Ichi the Killer and KWWong's Ashes of Time.
Not because of their plot, ideas or content but because they bend and invent their own rules in terms of cinematography and visuals. In this case it's more of a meta thing that made me thunk.
Miike is a mixture of knowledge in unorthodox photography and wing-it on-the-fly attitude in solutions to his busy filming schedule, while Wong uses many sequences based on old ideas and even ripped off at times (moving backgrounds, dynamic lighting, spinning cage from Macario) but teaming up with a sophisticated character like Mark Lee or a maverick savant like Christopher Doyle really potentiated said ideas into overdrive. 
Ichi was my first exposure to this kind of camera work while Ashes was a heavily-condensed single dose of it.

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>>795
Mine was TRAIN TO BUSAN.

>>755
Pandorum, especially the ending

the bit about the stars having died off hit me because I struggle with keeping track of time and I hate being taken off guard, so when I imagined sleeping untill the universe went cold and dark felt a bit lonely

>>2748
Glorious. Thanks Anon!

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I watched Paul Verhoeven's TV documentary on Anton Mussert, the Dutch fascist leader nominally in charge of the Netherlands under WWII German occupation. Though Mussert is referenced in dictionary definitions of words like "traitor",  Verhoeven gives the man a sympathetic hearing, interviewing plenty of devoted supporters in their old age interspersed with mild criticism.

Mussert was an interesting figure, a civil engineer turned political activist. An admirer of Italian fascism's ability to create order out of societal chaos, he mimicked that movement in the Netherlands with marginal popularity. He saw Hitler as transformational figure sent by God, but the Nazi invasion that elevated Mussert into national office was monkey's paw wish fulfillment. The Netherlands gained virtually nothing but hardship under the NSDAP. Dutch soldiers gave an oath of absolute loyalty to Hitler before going to fight the Soviets on the brutal Eastern Front. Mussert functioned as little more than a figurehead, clashing with Himmler's subservient view of his nation, and his advocacy for Dutch interests was ignored by the Germans. Even worse, after the war Mussert was arrested and executed for his collaboration, the tragic end of an idealist thrust into a hopeless situation.

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>>3175
Sounds like it could be worth a watch.

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F-16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw4iROXxMMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhhOin2p5Qs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmM5KSoW2qA

Exactly as I do!