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Welcome to /finance/, a board dedicated to all subjects financial and economical, both theoretical and practical! 

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A thread for all stock market/forex/other security exchanges related discussion. Feel free to post suggestions, intriguing articles/findings, unfounded market predictions, gains/losses, or just shitpost on each others' portfolios to your hearts' content. Don't worry about being a beginner at trading and posting since I have yet to even create my first brokerage account. We can learn together.

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This might be better for the speculation thread but I started reading about the covered call strategy and decided to buy some CC ETFs to see what happened. Of course I went for crypto to really amplify the pros and cons of this approach.
I finally got around into looking into some of the finance stuff, after a few years of glancing at it but never bothering to do some reading. I plan to open up an account at a bank sometime soon to dedicate to trading stuff so I don't touch my regular money.

I'll go over some of my findings so far:
The best broker to use I have found is fidelity, as most other brokers are shady, like robinhood, or there have been instances of them messing with peoples accounts. The only issue I've seen with fidelity is that the charts on their mobile app might not be up to date, although their Active Trader Pro software it is fine. An easy option is just to use something like yahoo finance. It seems that there is a fix for it though.

As far as trading stocks goes, the big 3 options would be buying and selling stocks, buying and selling options, and buying and selling ETFs.
Stocks are likely the safest of these three options, and the most simplistic, with you buying the stock you wish to purchase, and then you sell it when you want to cash out, so no worry about losing money as you can only really lose as much as you put in.
Options are the next biggest thing in relation to stocks, and by far one of the riskiest things you can do  as you can easily dig yourself into piles of debt with little recourse. The way options work is that first you must pay a small commission, usually about 0.5$ or around that amount. 

There are 2 main types of options, there is a call, which is you saying I am buying 100 amount of stocks at a set price of 100$ for example and you won't be able to buy more than that 100 shares, however you are not required to buy any stocks at all, but you still have to pay the "fee" per share of stock, so you would be out 200$ because of the fee. 
If your stock goes above 100$, then you are awarded the difference in price, albeit there is an extra cost you must pay per share, so it may be 2$, so if the stock price goes to 150$, you would be getting 48$ from that call. The potential to make a decent amount of money from this is buying tons of stock on a singular call, so say you buy 500 shares of a stock on a call for a net profit of 48$ per share, that is about 4,800$ in returns. Obviously this is a best case scenario, but it gets the concept across. 

Puts are similar to calls with the exception that you do not have to pay that additional fee per share, so instead of 48$ it would be 50$ per share you would be getting. But the general idea of puts is that you buy a 'contract' for an option, where you may purchas a set amount of shares at a set price, but you are betting that the price will go below the price you paid for the shares, and you will get the difference in price minus the premium paid for each stock.

To reiterate above, you buy 100 shares at 100$ a share, the price drops to 50$, you now get 48$ per share or about 5,000$.
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How do I find a physical broker?  Not a digital one.  Like I have a physical-written-in-paper option contract with a company (a reservation for a company I work for of a number of workers from a staffing company--in other words, I essentially have a call option on labor), I'm not going to use it, and I want to sell it.
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What the Hell is a "Pro Rata Warrant"?
I own some stock in Xerox, and I logged into my stock account today to find that I know own a share in XRXDW. Trying to find out what the Hell it is, I stumble across this press announcement from little over a week ago: https://archive.ph/LL60b
>Xerox Distributes Pro Rata Warrants to Enhance Shareholder Value and Accelerate Deleveraging
<NORWALK, Conn.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 12, 2026-- Xerox Holdings Corporation (NASDAQ: XRX) (“Xerox” or the “Company”) today announced the distribution of warrants to purchase shares of Xerox common stock (the “Warrants”), to its eligible securityholders on February 12, 2026 (the “Distribution Date”), in accordance with its previously announced pro rata warrant distribution.
<As previously announced, holders of record of Xerox common stock as of February 9, 2026 (the “Record Date”) received one (1) Warrant for every two (2) shares of Xerox common stock held, rounded down to the nearest whole Warrant. Holders of record of Xerox’s 3.75% Convertible Senior Notes due 2030 and Series A Convertible Perpetual Voting Preferred Stock as of the Record Date also received Warrants on a pass-through basis in accordance with the terms governing such securities.
<“This
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>>475
Simply put, you have the right to pay cash and buy more Xerox stock at the price of $8.00 per share if you so choose.
>Each warrant allows the holder to purchase one share of common stock at an exercise price of $8.00. The warrants have a two-year term, though the company can accelerate the expiration if the stock price equals or exceeds $8.00 for 20 trading days within a 30-day window.

Alternatively, if you held Xerox bonds, you could exchange those bonds for stock instead of paying cash.
>Eight specific debt instruments, with maturities ranging from 2028 to 2039, are eligible for this exchange. However, the option to use debt for exercise expires if the stock price reaches 50% of the exercise price, or $4.00, for 20 of 30 consecutive trading days.

Ideally, this allows Xerox to attempt to repay their debt with stock certificates rather than repaying their debt with cash. Sometimes these arrangements result in a "death spiral" as far as the equity is concerned should the company fail to perform. I don't know what's up with Xerox, but if you put "death spiral financing" into a search engine there will be threads to pull on there.

As for dealing with the warrants, consider reaching out to your broker and asking them how they generally handle situations like this so you know what to expect. Also, it might be something to keep an eye
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A thread where we can discuss all kind of monetary shenanigans, from the Latin Monetary Union to the Bretton Woods system and the €uro.
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>>466
> from what I hear everyone in my local area is selling
If they are, they're going to regret it later. There are no brakes on this inflation train. I'm still buying, even though I've been stacking for years.
And looks like the hype train is over
Silver just dropped below $100 and gold is about to drop below $5k.
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>>468
Dear God!
Silver looks like it may drop below $80 (If not $70) by the end of the day. Meanwhile gold dropping to $4800, could go down to $4600. So much for potential stikes on Iran causing the price spike. Is this in response to the appointment of the new Fed chair?
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>>469
It's end of month dump paper jew-fu. But it doens't even matter because 1 oz silver coins are still 100+ EUR in shops, due to extremely low physical inventories. Basically they have created a situation where spot price is becoming meaningless. They could dump the spot price to $20 and it wouldn't make a difference to the street price.
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>>470
IOW, buy what you can because silver and gold are jumping back on that rocket next week? I mean, buy anyway regardless of the price, but still.

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What does anon think about cryptocurrencies?
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My heart aches whenever I remember what bitcoin has become.
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>>458
Yep. Gone are any nerd or libertarian ideals. This stuff is all greater fool theory now. I had fun with Monero mining in 2017 - glad I bailed when I did.
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>>460
Why are countries buying it? It doesn't make any sense.
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>>461
Beats me. Any country serious about going digital would just issue their own stablecoin.
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>>462
It's because the network is already there. It's for the same reason why Etherium and Monero will never dethrone Bitcoin despite being superior in utility and purpose. Until they outlaw it. Then there's also the fact that investing in it gives them power over those markets.

Also "stablecoins" are a meme, especially as a CBDC. All it does is give the government even more control over your finances. Imagine a world where the government tags an expiration date to your dollars, in addition to controlling where you can spend your dollars, and that's the entire purpose of creating a CBDC.

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https://rumble.com/v72lt04-bitcoin-vs-gold-cz-and-peter-schiff-clash-over-the-future-of-money.html

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF BITTOID, CZ called this guy for a debate on modern gold backed commerce scheme vs bitcoin but yet he's argument were ripped into shreds with literally no real arguments. I don't even think he was even ready to have a real debate. CZ's English was just god awful to hear. Why can't this faggot learn  how to speak the god damn language before engage someone into a debate? Holy shit.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20220309014601/https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0643

Thoughs?
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>>35
I probably expressed it poorly, what I mean to say is that the barrier of entry in modern day IT and coding is very low thabks to simplified and interpreted programming languages, IDEs and prebuilt shit. GOOD and EFFICIENT programming is rare and even moreso with legacy servers, but the basics of coding are the same regardless of the environment, all you need to start is room temperature IQ, some primers on logic and mathematics and good ol stackoverflow.
Nexo Unveils Payment Card Where Users Get to Keep Their Crypto
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>Nexo has unveiled a crypto-backed payments card that allows users to spend without having to sell their digital assets. The crypto lender is offering the Nexo Card in partnership with Mastercard (MA) and corporate payment services provider DiPocket, giving cardholders access to 92 million merchants worldwide. Nexo claims the card is the first to allow users to spend without selling their digital assets. It is linked to a Nexo crypto-backed credit line, with cardholders' digital assets as collateral. Payment is made through the credit line, which is available in fiat and stablecoins. The card is available across select European markets. Debit and credit cards linked to digital assets are established in the crypto industry, though many users may be put off because of the risk of losing gains in crypto's value. Nexo's card might encourage more frequent use of crypto-backed cards in everyday transactions by alleviating this risk. The card can be linked to Apple Pay and Google Pay.
Nexo Introduces Card Backed by a Crypto Credit Line With Mastercard, DiPocket
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I'm a newnigger looking to get into crypto, what's the market looking like in CY+9?
>>74
>a Crypto Credit Line With Mastercard
And it's dead upon arrival.
>Why Bitcoiners Will Benefit From Stablecoin Legislation
https://archive.ph/t8U48
<The recent passage of the Senate’s GENIUS Act and House’s upcoming “Crypto Week” mark a seismic shift in the financial world. The bill, which passed by a 68–30 vote, establishes a federal regulatory framework for stablecoins, including reserve requirements, issuer disclosures, and consumer protections. This legislation lays the groundwork for the US financial system to break free from the monopoly that banks have long had on money, creating room for innovation and competition in financial services. 
<Central to this transition is the adoption of stablecoins, cryptocurrencies designed to maintain a stable value by pegging them to a reserve asset. Stablecoins offer a stable medium of exchange and a store of value while enabling smoother digital transactions and wider blockchain adoption.

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How much money do you need to retire?  What portfolio should that retirement fund consist of.

Is it actually even possible to retire anymore, given how shitty the future is likely going to be?
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>>421
The amount you spend per month times the number of months you plan to continue living.  The longer you expect live, the more you have to adjust for inflation, but again, nobody can predict when the world will shut down most of its economy for the lulz, which swings every variable in the equation.
Depends on the cost of living where you plan to stay, a bit less also on your standards but you don't need to adjust much there. I'd say 4 million. Because that's what will yield you a living wage by just putting it in safe-ish bonds and instruments from high-paying but still pretty stable nations/states that you can invest in. Public instruments. Most in this tier are even insured, so super low risk. Considering you won't have much time after retirement, with that amount you can still take a part for some random event if you don't go crazy and deal with most health decline problems until you get to the high-complexity stuff at which point probably no amount could save you.
With that amount I've also seen that it's enough to hand out and help your former dependents a decent bit every now and then, only if they're not dependents any more... i.e. Minor children/in college, some ungrateful bastard that still uses your credit card, you're married and divorce-rape is a permanent risk that you constantly pay out your ass to try and delay, etc.
Obviously that number is in value for right now, with time you have to adjust it, inflation and instability and shit...
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>>424
>Bonds/safe investements = 5%
>5% - 3% inflation = 2%
>4 million x 2% = $80000
>$80000/yr is rough cost of living for family of four in most states
Is that the reasoning?

My own thought process has been the following:
>Social security/medicare won't exist for me when I'm older. This is based off of the Social security and medicare trusts' own reports.
>I'll probably get cancer at least once in my life. It will cost about $110k in current dollars to survive it if I wanted to. I want enough money to be able to at least have the option to survive it once if I want.
>I'll be forced to retire sooner or later. After uni, I failed to launch and became a nepohire. So, I view my current job as "I have to save as much as I can currently because I'm not going to be able to get a job when I lose this one." I think I have two years left before my nepocontact retires, at which point I'll be retired out soon.
As such, a lot of my thinking isn't "I have to work X more years until..." it's more along the lines of "If I lose my job tomorrow, here's what my current interest income is going to be stuck at, and here's where in the world I'll have to move to in order to survive." In t
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>>421
Retire early? 1,300,000 at a mininum assuming you have little in terms of debt obligations. And this is cheap brain powered freedom not very glamorous lifestyle if that is going to last.
>>421
There's a couple quick dirty rules.
Like at least 1M banked.
Or 20 x current income banked.
The issue is is that everyone's situation is slightly different, and with an anonymous board where miscreants can be located over the globe, short, fast guidelines are effectively useless.

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This fucker cost me a billion dollars. I could have bought bitcoin 12 years ago instead i listened to this scheming jew to buy shiny protons. Gold is fucking shit and supressed to fuck. Fuck all gold and silver meme faggots
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>>426
Aren't the kikes planning to crash the western economies soon? Flight to gold is largely being driven by their own purses, I imagine.
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>>426
The suppression of silver is becoming harder to hide for two reasons. The first is that the economy is rapidly worsening, and most people of means fly to gold and not silver (because gold is as a store of value superior). The second is that despite this, kikes WILL NOT as a matter of pride relent on the silver manipulation, so it becomes more obvious, whereas in the past they would let silver rise a little to make it less overt.
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>>427
Crash may not be the right term. A crash could come, hopefully, but they are planning for a realignment. Obviously they have been itching for war for some time, both to move back away from the "service economy" and delete the surplus work force. People don't realize that if you're going to be replaced by a robot, they have to manufacture them first, but to do that you need factories back. It's a vicious Free Masonic cycle.
>Kill Men
>Use Women and "Men" to build replacement for Men
>Robots Replace All Commoners
>Kill "Useless Eaters"
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>>434
POTD

>It's a vicious Free Masonic cycle.
>"Won't someone please just think of the sheqels!111"
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>>433
They don't really have the final say. If they don't allow silver to climb, but the chinese allow it to pump at their Shanghai exchange, then this opens up arbitrage opportunities. This actually played out last spring. The west was forced to follow China's pricing. There was a small lag between the western spot prices and those in the east which kept on rising. I was still sitting on a bunch of cash that I wanted to buy silver with (not gold because it had alrady pumped bigly) but I was planning to wait for the summer or fall lows like in previous years. But when I noticed what was happening, I decided to buy immediately. I wasn't very happy with the prices, because my target for .999 silver coins was "under 24 euro/oz" and by then every 1 oz coin was over 28 euros. Luckily one dealer had some prior year libertads on sale for around that price, so I bought an entire monster box of those. That's the only thing that made the higher prices palatable for me. And today you can't even find anything below 35 euros... Current spot price is exactly 1 EUR/g so 31.1/oz. And the physical coins usually have around 17% premium.

>>434
They need factories, but they also need lots of computers, robots, and related stuff (batteries) to run their 4th industrial revolution. All of this needs cheap silver, and lots of it. So just keep stacking the silver so they 
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Does anyone under the age of 50 in the U.S. honestly think they're going to be getting Social Security if they retire?
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I predict they set retirement age higher: average lifespan minus 3 years. We'll work until we're 75 then fall  over dead. Also since AI is slurping up all the investment and jobs everyone under 30 can sit at home (during their prime) and be NEETs instead of pushing the economy forward.
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>>428 (OP) 
Sadly, yes, a shitload of normalniggers still believe the system will be present for them. I do agree with>>429
in that the age will likely be raised, though likely only to 70 in the near future. That being the case, the system should have already collapsed by all reasonable metrics, so if the retardpower keeping it afloat putters out, we could see normalized insolvency of the SSA in a few years.
>>429
>Work until we fall over dead
I want desperately to believe that people won't let it get that far, or at least the collapse will come before that. In all honesty, if I was forced to choose between Amazon fulfillment and programming, I would just ride my savings out and kill myself when they ran dry.
>30 and under NEETing in this scenario
Least out of touch Gen Xer
In a scenario that bad, no one outside the wealthy could NEET indefinitely. Warehouse work, "healthcare", bureaucracy, and food service would be the only viable careers, and would be mandated by centralization of capital (low wages/high rent). The only way kids in America can escape wage slavery today is again by wealth, or the Chinese and Arab model, which is to act as a household servant to your parents in exchange for support.

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I was thinking about silver but then having a look is giving me strange kinda vibes. The market rate says 18 an oz but then I see people willing to pay +25 an oz for it, so that it looks as though either the market rate is being manipulated or there are numismatic premiums and taxes that are bumping the willingness of these collectors up.

Then I see Britannic dud silver, the kind that was 0.500 grade for historic reasons because of the war time shortages and things and I see some for very cheap. I wonder then can't I just buy the quite debased alloy and treat it as half it's marked weight? Is it too easy to buy fake ones if the alloy contains that much temper in it? Should I overlook historic coins because they are hard to trade in?

I will ask a gold and silver merchant at some point but the eternal anglo in me makes me want to take bits of our history and start a collection for it.
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Yes, the silver market is very manipulated. There are hundreds of paper contracts being traded for every troy ounce of silver that actually exists in COMEX. The prices of physical silver will remain low (and thus a bargain) so long as they can keep up this game, which relies mainly on their ability to print unlimited amounts of fiat currency Federal Reserve notes. We're reaching the end stages of this game, since other  countries (BRICS) have already abandonned the petrodollar and are trading oil in other currencies.
But besides that, there are also taxes on physical silver in many countries. England is particularly bad about this, to the point where a lot of people just buy gold instead. In the US and EU it's not nearly as bad.
Numismatic fakes are something to watch out for, but it's pretty easy to test them with just a magnet, calipers, and precision scale. That's enough to tell silver coins from other metals. More advanced fakes that are actually made with 90% silver alloy probably exist for high-value numismatics like Morgan dollars with key dates, but you don't have to care about that if you're simply buying coins for their silver content.
However, 50% is pretty low-grade silver, and you shouldn't buy those unless you're getting them for a very low price (well below spot). If you're actually paying close to spot price or higher, don't settle for less than 80% silver. The lower grades are harder to re
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Gold and silver have gone up quite a bit in the last month.
>>320
>If you're actually paying close to spot price or higher, don't settle for less than 80% silver.
I've heard the "rule" that you should avoid paying anything above 20% spot price.
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>>430
It depends on where you live. Some countries like England have high taxes on new silver. The only way to escape it is buying old circulated silver coins or other used items (silverware, jewelry, etc.) But at this point it's probably hard to find the .925 sterling coins, so that's why the other anon was asking about .500 silver coins.
But if you're in the US or even the EU, your figure of 20% makes sense for stacking common .999 bullion (obviously you'll pay bigger premiums for rare/collector coins).
So let's take a very common coin (pic related) and check prices. Current spot price is 30.32 EUR. With 20% max premium you can pay up to 6.064 EUR extra, so that's 36.38 EUR maximum for a 1 oz coin. On cdt.fr they're selling for 36.40 EUR, so that's a little bit high. They're not the lowest price though (they're mostly good if you live in/around Paris and can just pick up the order and avoid the shipping costs). For ordering online a better shop is acheter-or-argent.fr, and they have these coins for 34.48 EUR, which is well under the 20% premium.
But keep in mind these are .999 fine coins we're talking about. Lower purity silver coins don't warrant these premiums, and you should be able to find them closer to spot price (or even under spot).

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