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Hello from your new neighbors at >>>/comfy/ . Pleased to meet you, /finance/ .  :)

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This fucker cost me a billion dollars. I could have bought bitcoin 12 years ago instead i listened to this scheming jew to buy shiny protons. Gold is fucking shit and supressed to fuck. Fuck all gold and silver meme faggots
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Good article about price controls:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/forty-centuries-failure-price-controls-debasement-tyranny
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First the Shanghai exchange, and now this. The western bankers are about to completely lose control over silver's pricing.
https://www.zerohedge.com/precious-metals/will-russian-buying-drive-silver-beyond-50
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Looks like everything is starting to fall apart!
https://streamable.com/q9o6q2
https://files.catbox.moe/363c9f.mp4
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>>374
lol
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Trump wins: I buy more silver.
Kamala wins: I buy more silver.
Fundamentally, nothing has changed.

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How much money do you need to retire?  What portfolio should that retirement fund consist of.

Is it actually even possible to retire anymore, given how shitty the future is likely going to be?
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I finally came to grips with the fact that I'm getting older so I dialed back my stock holdings in the 401K.   Right now my mix is 70% large cap, 15% bonds 15% Real Estate. I was messing around with small caps and international funds but I needed to simplify and cut fees. 
I think being in the game and taking employer match is more important than the fund ratios for most people. Don't be 63 with nothing saved - it's scary to see how some people on this planet can't plan for the future.
>>360
Ok, well have fun with them stonks, I guess. XD
>>303
Anyone have any advice on estimating the nominal amount needed for retirement should be, as opposed to what the portfolio mix should be?
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>>371
Nominal values of currencies aren't stable enough to make any such predictions. We don't even know how high the real rate inflation will be, over however many decades you have until retirement.
The only way to even approximate it is by units of real money, i.e. gold or silver. But the latter has been heavily manipulated via derivative contracts so current values are meaningless and will remain so until JPMorgan & Co. lose control.
if you have a family? 3 million.

single? 10 million.

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Is anybody home?
I got kicked out of 4chan and need a home for the bull market.
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>two irrelevant posts in a row
>grand botposting silver market manipulation conspiracy
yep I'm thinkin based
might wanna take your risperidone though schizoid
4chan is idf spam bots and slide threads.
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Im banned too. Im a full blown crypto fag now which means you guys should probably sell
>>273
has been since '16
I haven't on 4fed for years. They have continuously cracked down on anonymous posting and now with the 15 minute wait before posting on a bbc slide thread to call some a kike, gfy.

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Think of this thread as a trashcan that might or might not contain something useful.
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The WEF wants to take away your coffee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_Bx9q6Vs9g
Smug is down. Trash is up, but possibly without files. What is everyone up to?
I was thinking about silver but then having a look is giving me strange kinda vibes. The market rate says 18 an oz but then I see people willing to pay +25 an oz for it, so that it looks as though either the market rate is being manipulated or there are numismatic premiums and taxes that are bumping the willingness of these collectors up.

Then I see Britannic dud silver, the kind that was 0.500 grade for historic reasons because of the war time shortages and things and I see some for very cheap. I wonder then can't I just buy the quite debased alloy and treat it as half it's marked weight? Is it too easy to buy fake ones if the alloy contains that much temper in it? Should I overlook historic coins because they are hard to trade in?

I will ask a gold and silver merchant at some point but the eternal anglo in me makes me want to take bits of our history and start a collection for it.
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>>319
Yes, the silver market is very manipulated. There are hundreds of paper contracts being traded for every troy ounce of silver that actually exists in COMEX. The prices of physical silver will remain low (and thus a bargain) so long as they can keep up this game, which relies mainly on their ability to print unlimited amounts of fiat currency Federal Reserve notes. We're reaching the end stages of this game, since other  countries (BRICS) have already abandonned the petrodollar and are trading oil in other currencies.
But besides that, there are also taxes on physical silver in many countries. England is particularly bad about this, to the point where a lot of people just buy gold instead. In the US and EU it's not nearly as bad.
Numismatic fakes are something to watch out for, but it's pretty easy to test them with just a magnet, calipers, and precision scale. That's enough to tell silver coins from other metals. More advanced fakes that are actually made with 90% silver alloy probably exist for high-value numismatics like Morgan dollars with key dates, but you don't have to care about that if you're simply buying coins for their silver content.
However, 50% is pretty low-grade silver, and you shouldn't buy those unless you're getting them for a very low price (well below spot). If you're actually paying close to spot price or higher, don't settle for less than 80% silver. The lower grades are harder to re
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Gold and silver have gone up quite a bit in the last month.

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https://www.capitoltrades.com/politicians/T000278#
Tommy Tuberville is selling.
>Who?
A congressman on a LOT of congressional bodies. If you were to make trades like he did, the only person who's made more correct calls on stonks is Pelosi.
>Why does it matter?
Of his trades published last week, all but two of them were selling off mass amounts of stock. Those two buys were bets against the stocks. There was no rhyme or reason like a specific stock or industry, he's just mass-selling.
I am not a financial advisor.
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>>332
Either people getting ready to dump their money into another country (unlikely given the state of most of the turd world countries right now), or they're selling stocks in order to buy tangible assets while taking the financial hit for doing so. E.G. >>333

If you have debts I suggest making minimum payments on them and saving your money in physical cash so when a banking crisis hits you can offer to pay a premium (hard cash payout of a fraction of your debt) to have your debts expunged from the records since creditors will jump on even $2k payout for your $20k debt when they have no money. If you don't have debts, I suggest pulling out physical cash so that you can offer to buy essentials during the interim between banking collapse and economic collapse. Your plastic may or may not work, and offering hard cash will get you a discount to stock up on goods when nobody can purchase.
Either way the cash is just an intermediary between start of the collapse and full collapse. Depending on what happens it might not be so bad, but chances are it's gonna be bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfW5BAch9jQ
>The fed needs lower interest rates to encourage investing
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-fed-may-wait-too-long-to-cut-interest-rates-and-spark-a-recession-economists-say/ar-BB1iL9C1
>Fed is avoiding cutting interest rates because it will hurt big bidness
Ahahahahahahaha... Hah...
Kill me.
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These guys are selling too!
This is politician trades general now.

What do you guys think of so many politicians buying treasuries recently?
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>>356
Particularly Michael McCaul

https://www.capitoltrades.com/issuers/435546

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A thread for all stock market/forex/other security exchanges related discussion. Feel free to post suggestions, intriguing articles/findings, unfounded market predictions, gains/losses, or just shitpost on each others' portfolios to your hearts' content. Don't worry about being a beginner at trading and posting since I have yet to even create my first brokerage account. We can learn together.

Potentially Useful Resources That I've nicked from /smg/, pls no bulli
<Risk management: 
https://pastebin.com/sqJUcbjp

<Educational sites: 
https://www.investopedia.com/
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain

<Live Bloomberg stream: 
https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/bloomberg-television-business.html

<Brokers: 
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>stock investment and literal fiat speculation in the same thread
>no investment resources
lol
if you are a fag zoomer or millenial or even boomer looking for a safe(r) place to put your money and let it sit stick to the large cap stocks like merck, eli and lily, chevron etc...everything else is fucked as we are now entering a decade or longer bear market with some pops in between.
This might be better for the speculation thread but I started reading about the covered call strategy and decided to buy some CC ETFs to see what happened. Of course I went for crypto to really amplify the pros and cons of this approach.
I finally got around into looking into some of the finance stuff, after a few years of glancing at it but never bothering to do some reading. I plan to open up an account at a bank sometime soon to dedicate to trading stuff so I don't touch my regular money.

I'll go over some of my findings so far:
The best broker to use I have found is fidelity, as most other brokers are shady, like robinhood, or there have been instances of them messing with peoples accounts. The only issue I've seen with fidelity is that the charts on their mobile app might not be up to date, although their Active Trader Pro software it is fine. An easy option is just to use something like yahoo finance. It seems that there is a fix for it though.

As far as trading stocks goes, the big 3 options would be buying and selling stocks, buying and selling options, and buying and selling ETFs.
Stocks are likely the safest of these three options, and the most simplistic, with you buying the stock you wish to purchase, and then you sell it when you want to cash out, so no worry about losing money as you can only really lose as much as you put in.
Options are the next biggest thing in relation to stocks, and by far one of the riskiest things you can do  as you can easily dig yourself into piles of debt with little recourse. The way options work is that first you must pay a small commission, usually about 0.5$ or around that amount. 

There are 2 main types of options, there is a call, which is you saying I am buying 100 amount of stocks at a set price of 100$ for example and you won't be able to buy more than that 100 shares, however you are not required to buy any stocks at all, but you still have to pay the "fee" per share of stock, so you would be out 200$ because of the fee. 
If your stock goes above 100$, then you are awarded the difference in price, albeit there is an extra cost you must pay per share, so it may be 2$, so if the stock price goes to 150$, you would be getting 48$ from that call. The potential to make a decent amount of money from this is buying tons of stock on a singular call, so say you buy 500 shares of a stock on a call for a net profit of 48$ per share, that is about 4,800$ in returns. Obviously this is a best case scenario, but it gets the concept across. 

Puts are similar to calls with the exception that you do not have to pay that additional fee per share, so instead of 48$ it would be 50$ per share you would be getting. But the general idea of puts is that you buy a 'contract' for an option, where you may purchas a set amount of shares at a set price, but you are betting that the price will go below the price you paid for the shares, and you will get the difference in price minus the premium paid for each stock.

To reiterate above, you buy 100 shares at 100$ a share, the price drops to 50$, you now get 48$ per share or about 5,000$.
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How do I find a physical broker?  Not a digital one.  Like I have a physical-written-in-paper option contract with a company (a reservation for a company I work for of a number of workers from a staffing company--in other words, I essentially have a call option on labor), I'm not going to use it, and I want to sell it.

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Talk about your financial journey: where your interest in finances began, how you've been learning, what milestones you've conquered.
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Grew up poor-ish, started an apprenticeship, spend all my money on weed, started an actual job, spent more money on weed, bought a book on finances, spent all my money on drugs, asked a bank on advice and was turned down, got a better paying job, stopped spending all my money on drugs, accumulated money, expected a child, invested money, had a child, invested more money.

Achieved 10k+ recently.
Split accounts with the other half a few months back, trying to dig out of a big hole (actually have a little in savings now so feeling pretty hopeful). She was spending $600 of my paycheck on mobile games, weed, clothes, and fast food, along with 100% of her paycheck... I should have probably walked but I guess I'm holding out hope that the one I fell in love with is still in there somewhere and she isn't just a user. The nice part is that I now have $600 a month even after covering the bills to try to fix this (will still take years). At least there's not a convoy of Amazon trucks coming to my house anymore.
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>>351
$600 is basically a tube of 20 silver 1 oz coins every month. That's not just pocket change.
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>>352
Possibly a good call. Already getting into the prepping scene but will only have so much room for canned beans. Maybe a few coins would diversify things a bit.
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>>353
I mostly stack 1 oz .999 coins as a means of beating inflation and currency crisis. For prepping purposes, smaller old coins of .800 to .925 silver that are common and well-recognized in your country might make more sense, if you can get them for a good price.
In the early part of this year, I bought 200 swiss 1 franc coins, when one dealer had them on sale for 2.95 euros (comes out to 21.97 euros/oz). They're not listed in this guide, but the swiss coins are comparable to the french ones (.835 silver, each coins weighing 5 grams so having 4.175 g of silver content).

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What does anon think about cryptocurrencies?
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I don't really know anything about crypto (I only buy silver & gold coins) but this might be of interest to americans:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-cbdc-western-sanctions-against-russia
From what I've read previously, the american FedNow infrastructure has already been going through stress testing since last year.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fednow-instant-payments-are-coming-and-cbdcs-will-follow
https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/apocalypse-fednow
CBDCs are game over.
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Kim Dotcom knows what's up.
I already asked myself some questions about wtf is going on back in 2015, when the mass immigration started into Europe. I came to that conclusion (the goal is to destabilize the society) but I couldn't understand WHY. Now finally in the past few years, after watching Catherine Austin Fitts interview on planetlockdownfilm.com, I finally got it, when she explained that the dollar system is finished and they've known that for a  long time already. Her videos are worth watching if you haven't seen them yet.
What I'm doing (to answer Dotcom's question): I've been trading all fiat in my investment and bank accounts into physical silver & gold coins, plus  stacking a lot of canned food (I have over a year's worth). I know they'll to everything to push adpotion of the CBDC, but I'm betting that it will eventually fail. However, those who didn't manage to salvage their savings into some form of hard assets will be wiped out as a result of all the crashes, bank failures, currency devalutations, cyberattacks, and general chaos.
AgoraDesk has shut down.
Quite a big blow to the monero ecosystem.
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a.k.a How should the rest of the world avoid perpetual economic stagnation Japan is experiencing for 30 years

From what I heard from the local commoners' news sites, it seems that the rising costs of everything coupled with high pay cuts in form of taxes and state-run insurances made most of the population to become misers, halting many kinds of trades. 
Most of the workforce in big cities have to cash out 30% of their salary to pay the two above which leave them with very little (<$150) disposable income every month, and the costs could run higher if they took loans.

However I don't think that alone explains why Japan ended up with a staggering level of public debt, nor explains why people are refusing to settle in countrysides where living costs are cheaper.
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My very basic layman understanding is the Japanese government started printing money with the explicit purpose of directly investing it in the stock market. This created a simultaneous situation of mass inflation and businesses gaining huge amounts of capital to do with as they pleased. So they started spending money like it was going out of style (it basically was, due to the inflation).  BUT, the important caveat is that because this cash was going to industries that were exporting Japanese goods, the yen started to GAIN value on the international markets because everyone wanted yen so they could buy cheap quality Japanese goods. 
The reason it all collapsed is because currency exchanges caught on to what the Japanese government was doing and stopped wanting to buy the yen, and because the domestic speculative investments primarily in real estate started outpacing the amount of actual money people and businesses had on hand to actually pay for things. 

The reason it still hasn’t recovered is both social and economic. Economic because the government is still trying to pay off the massive debt they incurred from the speculative investments, and social because it soured a lot of Japanese on investment so now they grub their shekels like their life depends on it meaning it’s very hard to get seed capital in the country.
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>>221
I'm more familiar with this theory: >>86 But what you write might be true, the problem is that I only really followed it until the crash, and as far as I know it's not that the government prints cash directly, instead the central bank (remember, it's supposed to be a totally independent institution from the government, even though I highly doubt that this is actually true in any country, but I digress) just outright buys stocks on the stock market with money they print for this one purpose. They also keep interest low in order to encourage people to spend, because it means that loans are cheap but keeping your money in bonds and deposits will not give them enough profit to outpace inflation, so they too should buy stocks and property and consumer goods and whatnot. But as you wrote it just doesn't work, and (regardless of the actual reasons) the real problem is that they have been doing it for around 3 decades without even considering any alternatives, because the textbooks say that this is what they are supposed to do.
>>85 (OP) 
>However I don't think that alone explains why Japan ended up with a staggering level of public debt, nor explains why people are refusing to settle in countrysides where living costs are cheaper.
Japan is a country where a junior (in any aspect) must never advise or talk back to a senior, the majority of the population is computer illiterate, copyright fraud is rampant, taxation of private transportation is out the ass, but the majority of public transportation is privately owned. All of this results in a culture where even if your boss is going to bankrupt the company it's job loss to tell him that, legal slander to whistleblow, and there's so much red tape (both governmental and social) that starting a competing firm isn't possible since you will be blacklisted by your job's current clients if it gets off the ground.

>Why not move to the countryside?
It's inconvenient. Cars are seen as a luxury product in Japan, so you have to pay roughly a quarter of the car's price in taxes every year to keep it unless it's a farm vehicle or company vehicle that can be written off on taxes, and if you DO have a train or bus station, it's both an arm and a leg for tickets and you probably only have like two chances to catch a train/bus back home where it's still a 45 minute walk home. Sure you could bike to the city but that's lik
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>>87
Different problems, and Japan addressed it "well" today relative to their economy. For Americans the housing bubble is more from zoning laws and construction laws preventing expansion in areas where suburban neighborhoods want to be built cheaply. Construction unions also play a role in keeping out DIY as does renting culture of generational housing. For China it's the fact that the housing market is synonymous with the stock market because it's the only legal investment there  and you need 2-3+ houses to get a bitch.

Japan in contrast incentivizes rebuilding homes every 20-40 years instead of generational houses which in turn makes construction affordable, and their building code is basically the bare minimum to not cause an accident where a bunch of people die when it comes to DIY. This means that in many cases resource companies speak directly to clients instead of construction companies and lawyers.
>>229
So THAT'S why there's such a huge push to get rid of everyone's cars in the U.S..

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