/animu/ - animu

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>>114023 (OP) 
well done, thanks

Want to get rid of the unironic glowposter advocating that people break laws?

>>114027
Get rid of the SEAnigger first

Cheeze pizza on /hgg/ again

>>114027
>"In the past people didn't live in a surveillance state so it was much easier to get away with breaking most laws" = advocating
shutup you gigantic fucking faggot before I find out where you live and shoplift all the instant ramen and chicken nuggets from your local walmart and throw them in a river so that you starve

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convince me to keep this shit running another year

>>114032
Is it expensive?

>>114032
What do you mean?

>>114032
Do it.

>>114033
mentally spiritually and monetarily, yes

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>>114032
you're protecting my smile

>>114032
Would posting more actual animu discussions help?

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>>114032
I'll get a promotion at the CIA if my shitposting gets a fringe alt-right imageboard shut down

>>114030
There's one on /d/ now

>>114036
What happened?

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>>114036

>>114040
>>114043
it seems to me that 90% of the posts are cp spammer / "how do you draw" spammer or complaints about them

also there's about 18 hours worth of work to clear up the tech debt, which will likely involve wiping the entire site anyways

>>114047
Should've gotten more jannies then you lazy nigger

Also you never updated because you got raped by /cow/fags and/or you're a fucking lazy nigger

>>114047
>seems to me that 90% of the posts are cp spammer / "how do you draw" spammer
There's a lot of other posts. Even /hgg/ and /geimu/ have rather active userbases 
>or complaints about them
Complaints always occur
>also there's about 18 hours worth of work to clear up the tech debt, which will likely involve wiping the entire site anyways
Can you explain the process more deeply?

>>114050
There are 1450 crow tengu roosting in the server racks, and any time Loleron ventures into the server room to chase them, out one of them caws loudly and he is immediately trampled by a herd of Karens from the Kiniro Mosaic closet.

Cheeze pizza on /hgg/

you could just merge all the "how to draw 6 digit gundam" tard's threads into one instead of deleting them and let everyone make fun of him, then he'd be a source of amusement instead of just an annoyance.

pic unrelated

>mod deleted that adorable kobayashi's dragon maid pic
pussy

>>114074
fuck off nigger

>>114076
niggers hate and want to destroy cute things

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make the winter season 2026 thread

>>114082
no u

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>>114032
>>114036
>>114047
Is there anything that those of us, who want to keep this site up and running, do to help out at all?

>>114032
Where else can I find a community of armpit enthusiasts?

>>114085
Yes, we complain about 8chan even though it's an objectively better alternative

>>114089
I completely agree *gags on dozens of nigger penis fetish boards while thousand of mexicans from all the spanish boards shit all over the floor*

>>114085
yeah spin up your own site, I'm really done with this shit the more I think about it

>>114092
I'll be honest, I'm surprised the site has gone on as long as it has in terms of activity, I expected it to die last year tbh

Sorry if this isn't the right place, but I run a new site (homurachan) on the webring and /meta/ is locked. Assuming this place is going to stay alive, how can I contact the admin to set up mutual following?
>>114092
At the risk of putting my foot in my mouth since I barely remember 8chan board drama, why is merging into smug/a/ not an option? Hoihoi? 8moe I understand.

>>114100
>smug/a/ 
Have you ever been to that /a/? Posts get deleted all the time for bullshit reasons, half the internet lingo gets you autobanned (e.g. "lol" is a nono word there) and the moderation in general is absolute ass. Its hard discussing anything at all there because anything you or others post might disappear later. Sometimes a single post can get entire chains of replies retroactively deleted.
That place is shit.

>>114101
The mods there deleted my post in the Apocalypse Hotel thread about how the raccoons shitting all over the hotel immediately reminded me of India. I didn't use any 4chan lingo like "saar" or "pajeet" either, some janitor must have actually just been butthurt that someone would make a comment about indians shitting all over the place.

>>114101
>Have you ever been to that /a/?
I've used it on and off since it was originally an 8/a/ bunker. These days I only use /kohi/ though.

>>114102
Apparently they do that because of the "no politics" rules.
Which are enforced seemingly at random, alongside all the other rules.
Or maybe they really are lefties or lefty adjacent, the place is worthless enough and reddit enough that I barely care. 4um's /a/ is a better place to actually discuss anime, and that's saying something.
>>114103
Doesn't kohi and smug/a/ have roughly the same rules and meidos?

>>114101
Posts get deleted on illya's website (homurachan) as well for arbitrary reasons all the time. Anytime you post something that triggers him, he purges your post from the database and calls you a jeet with absolutely no evidence nor justification, and then he has the gall to talk about "moderation transparency." He has his boogeymen anons about whom he makes shit up and then accuses them of aforementioned shit. He seems particularly obsessed with accusing his pet scapegoats of posting scat, pedophilia, and bestiality (which they haven't). I haven't seen him post scat porn himself, that would be the shitspammer ex-meido called "void" whom he's fond of, but he has gladly admitted to being a pedophile and getting off to wolves, which he calls "wulfs." And yes, "illya" is short for "illyasviel," shamiko's fan favorite pyu material. I wonder what that says about said admin. Actually you don't, since illya is a fervent shami and wants to turn his shithole into another shamiko where refugees fleeing from power-hungry trannies like kirara and avery can find respite under the protection of... another tranny. Ignore the fact that /homu/ brands itself as a natsoc board and worships Hitler, while he would have executed all gucae, including illya, on day 1 for being irredeemable degenerates.
>>114100
illya, I'm not exaggerating when I say you're literally worse than a reddit tranny mod. Grow up and grow a pair and stop shilling your shitty site all over the webring. You really should find a good therapist instead of being terminally online. Your mommy issues and narcissism isn't going to fix itself. You are rich and don't have to work, so you have no justification for not getting your mental issues fixed. Dear god, single mothers truly are the downfall of every civilization. Weak men, bad times, etc.

>inb4 "that's a jeet spammer, ignore everything he says, trust me bro"

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>>114104
>Doesn't kohi and smug/a/ have roughly the same rules and meidos?
Moderation on /kohi/ comes and goes, but it's generally more lax than on /a/. On the other hand it has been more active lately, check out /support/ sometimes. I'm just curious about this place because I'm surprised the old grudges are still alive. Though I guess the board owners here and on smug are mostly the same as on 8chan.

>>114105
>shitting up the webring now
Get a life, you pathetic jeet.

meanwhile good imageboards allow pedophilia (but not CP unfortunately because it's illegal), gore, and scat to keep 2016 newfags out

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>>114107
>not CP unfortunately
You should be run over

>>114106
I'm neither a jeet nor the one you're quoting nor the one shitting up the webring with his worthless honeypot. And DO tell the audience who this "cheeky" guy is and why he wants to dox anons by monitoring homurachan and has done so before. He doesn't happen to have any connections to freemasons, such as through his grandfather's lodge, does he? And he definitely isn't constantly bragging to the entire internet about how much fun he's having working for ZOG, is he? And he isn't paranoid about his stash of loli guro getting discovered, is he? And he most certainly didn't get intervention'd after trying to stab his mother, did he? And you're not the one coddling and mommying him, are you? Nice try getting your underlings to brigade PLW btw, since you're too weak to stand up to criticism. And thanks for ignoring and deflecting from all the shit you've caused since the meguca days. Almost 10 years now, huh. Time sure flies when you have no life and are having fun spewing slander at white people to cause infighting and paranoia like the deplorable subhuman you are. Daily reminder that a filthy liar like you will NEVER be white neither in body nor soul.

And do remind me, who created meguca's /pol/, whose successor homurachan claims to be? He wasn't a pajeet nor affiliated with Peter Thiel, was he? And his name wasn't dresden, aka Rohit Okhandiar, aka charlotte fang, was it? Must be my imagination playing tricks on me, that would be too hilarious!

>>114109
tldr lol

>>114110
I was considering replying seriously to him, but I didn't want to derail the thread more. Very sorry about this. If you want to know anything about our history, I've got nothing to hide.

>>114111
Why did you ignore the 3DCP that the /big/ scum posted on 4.0-chan.ru/xomy/? Why do you encourage pedophilia and recruit pedophiles from shamiko? Why do you call bestiality porn "eroi"? (Yes, I have screencaps, don't even bother lying yet again) Why do you coddle a mentally unstable ZOG bootlicker who has no problem doxing people he doesn't like, such as tesla and spictits, to feds? Why do you advocate killing 7 billion non-white people and as many white people as is necessary for killing those 7 billion non-whites? Why do you hate Polish people and want to genocide all of them? Why do you hate catholics even though you were raised one? Why did you spam /pel/? Why did you spam /valhalla/? Why do you insist on pushing yuri faggotry on a national socialist board? Why do you fantasize non-stop about getting pegged by a woman, as a woman? And do tell why the shamis hate everything related to megu/pol/, including homurachan, with a burning passion.

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What the fuck is going on?

>>114115
Beat me to it lel, I'm also kinda flabbergasted by this weird old drama that gets dug up right now.

>>114113
>Why do you advocate killing 7 billion non-white people and as many white people as is necessary for killing those 7 billion non-whites?
that's a good thing though

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>>114115
>>114116
It would take a long time to explain and probably make his behavior here worse. The short version is an obsessed dude found us last year during the 4chan and has been alternating between spamming us to disrupt conversations/community events and surveilling us looking for old drama he can use to turn people on each other and various staff. Not going to post more here but this should give you an idea of his behavior on our previous board.

Again, very sorry about all of this.

>>114119
*during 4chan's extended downtime

Cheeze on /hgg/

>>114119
Textbook DARVO. Take notes, anons. This is how shills, jews, and glowniggers argue.
>DARVO (an acronym for "Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender") is a reaction that perpetrators of wrongdoing, such as abusers or sexual offenders, may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior.[1] Research indicates that it is a common manipulation strategy of psychological abusers.[2][3][4]
>DARVO is a tactic used by a perpetrator to avoid accountability for their actions.[5] As the acronym suggests, DARVO commonly involves these steps:
>The perpetrator denies the harm or abuse ever took place.[6]
>When confronted with evidence, the perpetrator then attacks the person that they had harmed, or are still harming. The attacker may also attack the victim's family or friends.[7]
>Finally, the perpetrator claims that they were or are actually the victim in the situation, thus reversing the positions of victim and offender.[2][4] It often involves not just playing the victim but also victim blaming.[3]
>These tactics are similar to other techniques used by perpetrators to avoid accountability by manipulating observers' perceptions of events.[8][7] Researchers have noted similarities to outrage management, where a perpetrator tries to make observers think better of themself and their actions so they can avoid consequences.[9] This strategy often involves denying the victim's version of events and trying to make observers doubt the victim's credibility, which are both key aspects of DARVO. Relevant techniques also include playing the victim and playing the hero, which perpetrators use to downplay the harm seen in their behavior. In playing the victim, a perpetrator highlights their own past suffering to attempt to be seen as a victim as well, and in playing the hero, a perpetrator admits to some amount of wrongdoing but highlights their own past good deeds to mitigate their harmful ones. Both techniques may come into play for the denying or reversing stages of DARVO.[10] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO
Now how about you address a single one of those accusations instead of deflecting and well poisoning like a jew? Like you said, you have nothing to hide.
>>114117
Are you volunteering yourself, your family, and your friends to be among those whites who get genocided as collateral damage, and if yes, why haven't you already done so? I rest my case.

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In other news...
Today is the day I enter wizardhood as I have just turned 30

>>114122
>guys the admin of some 10 user imageboard banned me and called me a fag even tho im not a fag and his friend who used to be a mod posted scat porn and mom saw it and took away my iphone for a week so i couldnt do anything for a week and then he said niggers should die but i love nigger so that means me and my family and friends would have to die defending them!
>look at these screenshots i took of a admin banning me for 10 minutes and calling me a bitch, can we get him cancelled or doxed or can someone at least tell me its not my fault that he was mean to me pls?? only a fed would ban me and be mean to me look he's darvoing me right now!!!

>>114123
congratulations! I'm level 19 and getting stronger!

>>114125
>kids who were 12 in 2019 are old enough to post now

>>114123
what's your special power?

>>114127
Repelling women.

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>>114122
I'll answer questions from anyone who isn't an obsessed cringey Indian.
>>114124
>admin banning me for 10 minutes
Ironically he's why we started doing that. Most of our anons use tor, so he moved from a VPN to tor to try to bait us into banning nodes that would be used by others later.

CHEESE IN /hgg/

>>114130
Btw illya, you should probably mention that your brownshirts are issuing death threats on homurachan to whomever dares call out your compulsive lying and gaslighting (or, in your words, "Did I say that? I can't remember saying that") Just something newfags should be mindful of and maybe a possible clue to the police in case this kind of murder does happen. I quote
>>reisa
>Souka, someone could just go kill him. That's an option. Nailling his hands to the floorboards and then ripping his intestines out like string lights pinned to the walls of his room.
>Terrible he's acting a pest to us and others.

>schizos hung up on drama from 5 years ago
touch grass you fucking losers
imageboards are dead and you are the reason

>>114154
they know, that's why they (maybe the same fag) chose to bring it up here immediately after the admin posted >>114032

Cheeze pizza on /hgg/ again

Also, WHY is it almost ALWAYS /hgg/ that gets hit?

>>114160
They go after slower boards, with presumably less moderator eyes on the problem.

Also, it's a porn board.

>>114160
because the BO for hgg hasn't logged in for over 2 years, surprise!

Immediately before you remove the Cheeze listed on /hgg/ be sure to site-wide wipe the fag in the thread asking for more

If it's who I think it is, all of the trash posts from the past several months will immediately be removed, and things will get about 75% better almost immediately

>>114169
Wew, now there are two of those threads at /hgg/ at once.

The cursed manga is finally getting an anime
https://x.com/MangaMoguraRE/status/2013201941141082445

>>114172
What happened to the anon posting about the manga in the /biz/ thread?

>>114169
The one asking for more is surely the same one posting it. There's no way anyone under  60 would be dumb enough to get his credit card or shitcoin wallet out and click scam/malware links like that. There are plenty of legit darkweb sites to get the good stuff for free and a spammer is never going to be advertising those sites.

>>114173
1)It is a cursed manga. SPX down over 2% the day after the anime gets announced.
2)I barely use this site anymore
3)Making that thread was a mistake due to the people it attracts.

>>114180
>1)It is a cursed manga. SPX down over 2% the day after the anime gets announced.
Anon, the real money isn't in day-trading
>2)I barely use this site anymore
Why? And where do you post these days?
>3)Making that thread was a mistake due to the people it attracts.
You talking about the glownigger or something else? Because I see it as an absolute shame that more people don't actually discuss finances outside of what is effectively blogposting.

1. site maintenance next wednesday from 0:00 - 1:00 utc

2. site will be shutting down around April 30, but will likely go read only before then. save what you want, use this time to find alternatives

>>114188
Any plans on where you will be posting after the site shuts down?

>>114189
Where else is there?
smug?
Markchan?
Any other of the half dead micro-IBs with like 3 or 4 boards?

>>114189
I don't post now and haven't in years

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>>114190
>Where else is there?
Aside from where you listed, there's also Endchan/a/. For thread specific topics, the vtubers have Trash/l/, Kemono posters have FlyingDogIs.land and Capybarachan, /biz/ could hide out at Trash/finance/.

>>114191
>I don't post now and haven't in years
Okay, why?
Half of the reason why I'm almost throwing a fit over the site shuting down is that is feels like something happened out of the blue, that you absolutely do not want to talk about or move on from, and you think that the best course of action is to just checkout (From the site, activities, life) and shut everythign down.

What is stopping you from being happy at this current moment?

>>114188
YAMERO!
F

>>114188
Can't say I'm too surprised, sadly, given how slow the place is and the general state of the webring. Godspeed, Loleron.
>>114192
For kemono there's also anthro.foo, which is pretty active these days and seems to be run relatively sanely.

Damn, this sucks. Hate seeing places like this die. Good luck loleron, and to every anon reading this post.

>>114192
not enough anons, too many schizos and pseudo-namefags. what little i interact with this site feels more like a job than a hobby.

>>114198
I'm curious, how much money do you think you've spent total over the years on this site?

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>>114198
>not enough anons, too many schizos and pseudo-namefags
Have you ever considered that the reason Anons have left or stopped posting is because you don't want to deal with the schizos? And the reason the schizos are even HERE is for the expressed purpose of getting rid of Anons?

I've been noticing this trend EVERYWHERE.   That everyone is becoming depressed and complacent that everything is going to shit, but are refusing to actually do something about it. And the inevitable result is people increasingly becoming depressed and agitated. With maintaining the site, yes, it's going to feel like a job sometimes, but that's true of everything worth having. And if I was to guess, it "feels" even more like a job than it should because of how little you've come to use the site.

Why don't you at least spend the next couple months we have left engaging in discussions? Or becoming active in managing the site in a way that's true to your feelings? This is your site, have fun with it.

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>>114202
I understand how he needs to "hire" a moderator for that but he doesn't trust anyone since the only people left in the (ex)webring environment are malicious actors and they would totally go undercover for griefing purposes. I mean, he already didn't trust anyone back in 8ch, let alone now. 90% of the (good) /animu/ posters either left (imageboards) or roped over the years.

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>>114203
>but he doesn't trust anyone since the only people left in the (ex)webring environment are malicious actors and they would totally go undercover for griefing purposes
I'm just spit-balling, but one simple way to filter majority of those people is require anyone who wants to be a /vol/ or BO to regularly lay-down some money for the purposes of upkeeping the site. Also, AFAIK, I'm still the only BO still active here aside from Loleron, and I'm always open to helping since I don't want /d/ to die. Especially after I spent a year trying to repost all those captions I saved from 8kunt after Jim screwed everyone.
>90% of the (good) /animu/ posters either left (imageboards) or roped over the years
Anon, that's true of the ENTIRE internet these days. Hell, despite /v/ being one of the most active boards on both 8moe and Sleepychan, the quality has dropped like a rock as regulars have mostly stopped posting altogether.  Largely because of how both of the board admins refuse to filter out all the schizos and newfags. It's so bad that Mark is even deleting topic of censorships and industry subversion from the Gooberthreads because the poster hurt is feelings or is running "gayops".

You're not posting about a problem that's specific to PLW and /animu/. EVERYONE is experiencing this. And I'm sick and tired of the fact that people seem to largely be in favor of just rolling over and expiring instead of fighting it.

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>>114206
>And I'm sick and tired of the fact that people seem to largely be in favor of just rolling over and expiring instead of fighting it.
I'm not in favor of that and I'm sorry if I gave that impression. That being said, wat nou? What do we do? Loleron is clearly burnt from the dox, by the degradation and stagnation of things, like you just described, he just wants to stream anime on cytube, he was never really cut out for the jannoid life, that's ok. But again, where do we go and with what userbase? Will it be just you and me? I wouldn't mind, you seem like a nice guy.

Jokes aside, I don't even know if the /animu/ scans team is alive besides me, the uploader, or if Longsworduser aka Mr. Scanning and Editing Thread himself is still breathing let alone lurking here (his last upload on the panda was 1 year ago), hell, even the guys in the Share Thread.
That's pretty much all I care about, the rest is fluff, and I include my very own threads (the poorly disguised Miruko fanart dump thread, Bleach thread and Potato elf thread) in that terminology.
Maybe I would salvage /hgg/ too, but that's pretty much it.

The hell happened to /toy/? , they used to be active, then left to anon.cafe and died with that site.

>>114209
Exactly what you said, that's what happened.

>>114206
>because the poster hurt is feelings or is running "gayops"
I think it's just because Nintendo is doing the censorship this time and you know how Mark gets about his favorite companies.

>>114203
At a certain point moderating a dead board becomes fruitless when 95% of the posters are schizos or glowies deliberately shitting up the board.
If you ban, they just evade and come back 5 seconds latter spamming the same shit.
Sadly the actual answer is that small imageboards cannot actually work anymore, and discordfags actually figured out the best solution for small communities (alternatively forums).

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>>114207
>wat nou? What do we do?
Outside what what I've already said, I just don't know.
>Loleron is clearly burnt from the dox
This is perhaps showing my naivety, but I figured he would eventually get over it. That happened over five years ago.
<And now I'm reminded of webm
>But again, where do we go and with what userbase? Will it be just you and me? I wouldn't mind, you seem like a nice guy.
What about the half-a-dozen guys attending the streams Loleron hosts?  Then there's the /monster/ streamer. Also /rwby/ and /futa/ from 8moe seem aware of here. I get the impression that a lot more people are lurking the site than is realized.
>Jokes aside, I don't even know if the /animu/ scans team is alive besides me, the uploader, or if Longsworduser aka Mr. Scanning and Editing Thread himself is still breathing let alone lurking here (his last upload on the panda was 1 year ago), hell, even the guys in the Share Thread.
It could also be a circumstance of people just being lazy/busy and forgetting to post. Like I made that /fit/ thread, and the last post I made in it was back in June: >>111810
And I've been meaning to get back into "blogging" things just to keep myself active.

>>114212
>I think it's just because Nintendo is doing the censorship this time and you know how Mark gets about his favorite companies.
No, he wipes ANYTHING about modern censorship. Or anything that's crossposted outside of /v/, because "how dare" people talk about the same topic on multiple boards.

>>114215
>anything about modern censorship
Any examples outside of jewtendo or ((( steam ))) that he's wiped?

>>114214
>small imageboards cannot actually work anymore, and discordfags actually figured out the best solution for small communities (alternatively forums).
I hate everyone who says this. Shamiko does 3000-5000 posts a day with a few hundred people. They don't get any CP spam either. This is an excuse used by discordfags who don't understand the value of anonymity. 

The best way to run a small imageboard these days is a doushio or meguca instance, with limited posting hours like /tea/ if you have to centralize activity to keep people around. You can bitch about it being like a discord, but single thread boards are the only proven way of sustaining large activity from a small userbase (see /kohi/) and those IB engines are built for that. I'm not interested in hosting most boards from here on homurachan, but lurking /homu/ or watching the board's webring stats for a while will show you what I'm talking about. Even on a slow day, we get more posts in a day than PLW does in a week with less users.

>>114221
Imageboards aren't chatrooms

>>114222
I don't think others agree, considering that discord is cannibalizing imageboards, /kohi/ was 90% of webring activity for years, /bag/ dominates 8moe and is still faster than the entire webring and shamiko exists. The only fast classic style imageboard outside of 4chan is the sharty.

I guess I will be moving to /monster/ what about you anons?

>>114225
Not naming my favorite imageboard here because everyone here except one or two anons are fags and the good ones probably already know about it. It allows unspoilered scat, loli and gore to keep normalfags/newfags out, as any good imageboard should.

>>114221
A few hundo people in a single thread isn't exactly the same as 10-20 people across multiple boards.
Anonymity is cool and all when there's hundreds or thousands of users but at this point you can tell who pretty much everyone here is based on their posting style, outside of the occasional tourist who comes to the meta thread to talk about drama rather than anime.
Also a lot of those boards are filled with avatarfags/tripfags/etc which at that point you might as well use a forum.
(Ironically, RPGCodex has been better than every single /v/ board for nearly 20 years)

>>114228
>A few hundo people in a single thread isn't exactly the same as 10-20 people across multiple boards.
Then bite the bullet and put everyone into one or two threads.
>Anonymity is cool and all when there's hundreds or thousands of users but at this point you can tell who pretty much everyone here is based on their posting style
>Also a lot of those boards are filled with avatarfags/tripfags/etc which at that point you might as well use a forum.
That happens on any small imageboard. I've never seen a tripfag in a meguca instance though and a board owner could always force anonymous if that was an issue. Not sure if the software here can do that.

>>114227
4chan? :^)

Heard about this place shutting down from the grapevine. I know you lads like this place, but if you're looking for a new home 8chan.moe is generally pretty chill outside of /v/ (all /v/ boards suck so that shouldn't surprise anyone). /a/ and /jp/ is run by a really nice BO, there's lots of more specific boards like /rwby/ or /fast/ and while there's no /d/, there's individual boards for different stuff like that (like /futa/ and /gts/) for that. 

So yeah 8chan.moe or 8chan.st is a decently large place, more alive than 8kunt and not retarded like 4chump.

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>>114224
>The only fast classic style imageboard outside of 4chan is the sharty.
Anthro.foo does okay-ish compared to most of the webring and has a good amount of OC, but that's because it has its own niche of pandering to autists who want a right-leaning SFW furfag imageboard (aka Averi autists).

>>114232
everyone on 8moe/a/ sounds like a retarded teen and their taste in anime confirms it

>>114232
8moe is run by two mentally retarded pedophiles, constantly gets spammed because of what acidman and mark have done over the years and most of the site is dead except for gacha threads.

>>114233
>Anthro.foo
How old is it? Seems to be doing alright and the admin is running his own IB engine, which is always interesting to me.

>>114235
>>114234
do you have any facts to back that up?

>>114239
It was revealed to him in a dream

>>114239
bro are you seriously asking for a source on Mark being a retard who is the cause of most of his problems? He literally lives in an autism home and pics of his asshole are posted almost every day on /v/.

>>114239
facts:
>go to 8moe/a/
>every thread is about shounen shit
>any thread about anything decent is on page 5 or lower with no replies

>>114237
February or March, by the looks of it. The Internet Archive has an archived test page from late December 2024, but I don't know if the site was publicly usable by then or not.

>>114214
>Sadly the actual answer is that small imageboards cannot actually work anymore, and discordfags actually figured out the best solution for small communities (alternatively forums).
Nah, you just need to have 24/7 moderation coverage. I post on two such tiny IBs and they have practically no issues with CP spam or schizos.

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>>114240

>>114232
8/a/'s BO (justwannahelp) is literally a tranny who got caught ERP'ing in the meta thread. You can't even say that word there without getting cucked by a filter. Kill yourself. Or go to 8/animu/, but that's even deader than this place, so...

>>114221
If you want a broad userbase on your site, then stop censoring everything that doesn't align with your autism. Otherwise, you have no competitive advantage over faster-paced discord and reddit threads. You are a retarded hypocrite if you lament the death of imageboards while contributing to it yourself.

>>114233
>Anthro.foo does okay-ish compared to most of the webring and has a good amount of OC
What makes them different from FlyingDogIs.land and Capybarachan?

>>114255
>You can't even say that word there without getting cucked by a filter.
Can confirm that "tranny" is filtered, but not "trannie". What other /a/s are there? Sleepy I'm wary of because they're becoming just as bad as Mark (At least as far as /v/ is concerned) and fuck Smug/a/.

>>114234
There was a cuckchan migration last year.

>>114258
sleepy /v/ is ok, i remember that i got banned for posting that lolicon germ vn game because a mod was saying it was "pedo shit", a few shitposts later all anons got unbanned and were free to talk aobut the lolicon germ vn in peace.

>>114255
>>114258
If you don't like how moe's /a/ is handled, you can make your own alternative. You could even ask Codexx to migrate /animu/ threads over there

>>114258
>What makes them different from FlyingDogIs.land and Capybarachan?
It isn't run by a schizophrenic (as far as I know) and doesn't allow porn, spoilered or not. It ain't really my place, as the lingo reeks a little too much of 4um and twitter for my liking, but compared to some of the dogshit out there nowadays it's alright-ish.

>>114256
>censoring everything that doesn't align with your autism
What are you talking about?

>>114264
Despite illya stating on /homu/ that he's been candid when shilling on the webring, reality begs to differ. So let me copy his words here:

>This is a national socialist board and a site run by and for national socialists. If you want to criticize Hitler from within the framework of national socialism or be a bit of a fascist contrarian, I'm not going to ban you. If you're anti-Hitler you're probably going to get banned. Maybe not if you're just an idiot and it's not an ideological position. If someone never talks about politics I'm not going to do anything to them, because I can't read minds.
>Take it up with the FTC. I've been very clear when promoting the site that /homu/ is the continuation of the line of boards that started with meguca /pol/. If we get another community here, I fully intend to enforce a "politics belongs on /homu/" rule. If some hobby board or general wants to move here and isn't full of nazis, then they can just not talk politics. They shouldn't anyway unless its politics within a hobby or industry like the faggotry of IBM in linux.

All posts opposing either hitler or national socialism will get purged.

>B-based!
Yes, killing 50 million whites along with their homes and factories and ushering in a long-term decline for Western civilization is indeed extremely based, mr. schlomo.

>>114266
>it's Hitler's fault the jews have been oppressing whites extra hard since WW2, you can't blame the jews for doing that!
>what an awful guy he was for trying to stop them!

>>114269
>the jews have been oppressing whites extra hard since WW2
Are the Kikes the ones enforcing No-Go zones all across Europe? And trying to bring that same aspect to America, with two No-Go cities already established in Texas and Florida (And just failed in Oklahoma), and a mayor elected in New York? And have currently massacred over 60,000 people for protesting their autoritarian rule for the past four weeks, collecting the bodies to be used as propaganda against anyone that attacks them, and is even attacking protestors outside of the country because "How dare" they wish to be free of a foreign occupying force?

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>>114255
>>114261
There's also an existing /animu/ board there which you can request to become BO of. 
https://8chan.moe/animu/ 

>>114235 
The fuck are you on about? In all my time on there spam has been pretty low. Maybe once in a while. Pedo shit gets deleted consistently and permabanned. Mark is the primary thing about that place that sucks and since I don't use /v/ he's a non-factor to me. 
>most of the site is dead
The fuck are you on about? The site isn't moving at breakneck speeds but it's not slower than this place for most of the boards relevant to this place. PPH and IP count is a poor measure since it depends on time of day and day of week.

>>114271
>8chanmoe
Not even with a rented computer.

Frankly i dont know why id want to use any of your shitty boards when all you guys do is argue over webring drama.

>>114270
Anything happening in europe or america is something the zionist billionaires controlling those territories are allowing to happen.
>have currently massacred over 60,000 people for protesting their autoritarian rule for the past four weeks
I've been busy watching anime and porn all day for the past four weeks so I have no idea what you're talking about. Is that happening in the middle east, venezuela, russia/ukraine, or some shithole nobody cares about in africa and which group is doing it?

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>>114273
>Oh woe be me, where shall we go when this place is kill
<try the only actually functional site that isn't dead as fuck 
>N-noooo! 
Ok faggot.

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>>114277
>Anything happening in europe or america is something the zionist billionaires controlling those territories are allowing to happen.
So even when it's not the Jews, it is still the Jews.
>Is that happening in the middle east, venezuela, russia/ukraine, or some shithole nobody cares about in africa and which group is doing it?
Over the past three weeks, the IRGC has slaughtered, based on the most recent accounts, 60,000 Iranians protesting the Islamic Republic, who is a foreign occupying force in the country. According to most of the reports coming out, that number accounts for one out of the 400 cities where protests are taking place, in a country of 90 million people, in a region bigger than all of Western Europe combined, with some of the most bountiful resources on the planet, and as has been suffering an outright communications blackout for more than the past two weeks. As for why you probably haven't heard anything about it, it's because Western media and politicians refuse to take a stance against the IRGC as they've been outright complicit in furthering Islamic/Socialists interests in the region (And the West be extension) since the overthrow of the Shah in 1979, where you have Western media praising the Ayatollah and England even supplying propaganda for the purposes of destabilizing the region. And outside of posts on Twatter and JewTube livestreams hosted by people like TousiTV and Goldie Ghamari, the only way people even know something is going on is thanks to the thousands of Iranian protestors showing up in marches across the world. And they're receiving zero support for it as these peaceful protestors, who even take the time to clean up the fucking trash after their marches, have been outright attacked by the MEK in California, the police in London, Afghans in Paris, and Balestinians in Germany.

But, yes, it's the Kikes who are the "REAL" problem in the world.

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>>114233
>Anthro.foo does okay-ish compared to most of the webring and has a good amount of OC
It's also basically a spam-haven for any retard from the sharty, It has two boards, one of which is basically dead, the other is furry specific, not exactly a good replacement for this place. 

>>114221
>Shamiko does 3000-5000 posts a day with a few hundred people. 
LOL no they fucking don't, not even if you combine all their boards together, and only one board gets daily posting. They don't even get CLOSE to that number of posts. 4chan doesn't get that number of daily posts on most of its boards, are you joking? 
>They don't get any CP spam either. 
Because they're so small and obscure, like most imageboards outside the main ones. 

>>114279
>random political bitching on /animu/ 
How is this different from 8moe, 4chin or 7chan again?

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>>114280
>LOL no they fucking don't, not even if you combine all their boards together, and only one board gets daily posting. They don't even get CLOSE to that number of posts.
Pic related is a slow thread. There are another 4000 posts in the FNF thread and 7000 in the Saturday thread. Where do you people come from?
>4chan doesn't get that number of daily posts on most of its boards, are you joking? 
https://4stats.io/

>>114280
>Because they're so small and obscure
Shamiko is advertised on 4/a/ every year through new year's r/a/dio. They don't get CP spam because no one wants to make a plugin to solve captchouli while you can buy solutions to the typical funny letter captcha for cents.

>>114279
kill all the kikes and things should improve

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>>114282 
>Pic related is a slow thread.
No that's literally one of the top threads on their /a/ board... out of literally 15 threads total (pic rel) of which almost all of them were made within the past month or sooner and it's 90% a bunch of quick replies in the style of twitter posts by the same few people, because there's absolutely nothing stopping people from spamming a dozen replies in a row within a minute. This is literally the same shit as 8moe's /gacha/ threads except even gayer. The other boards are all practically dead with 3-4 threads at most, having one or two posts a day or even a week. 
That's not to mention the shit UI. 

>https://4stats.io/
<most of its boards
<the majority of boards outside the well known ones (/a/, /trash/ /co/ etc.) are below 1000 posts per day. 
Anta Baka

>>114283
>no one wants to make a plugin to solve captchouli 
If you really think that, then you're either new to internet spammers and their determination to shit things up if they want to or are just fooling. The fact that it's open source on github means anyone with sufficient scripting knowledge and determination can do it, hell there's ways around such captchas entirely, how do you think that retarded pedo-furry made his site to get around 4chan bans? Hell, you don't even have to do that; open a hundred tabs with a few clicks, prepare replies, solve the captcha one by one and spam away. Throw in some VPN flipping and using mobile data and your basic 14 year old can simulate a faux conversation between a dozen people easily.  
>Shamiko is advertised on 4/a/ every year through new year's r/a/dio.
Do you really think anyone actually pays attention to that shit? Most people on New Years don't spend all day on imageboards, and regardless the large majority of retards on 4/a/ never even bother to look outside their threads, let alone pay attention to that shit. 

TL;DR: Dead Internet Theory is reality.

>>114285
>>114286
You remind me of that blackpill guy from Markchan.
>out of literally 15 threads total (pic rel) of which almost all of them were made within the past month or sooner
Shamiko expires threads between 7 and 21 days over the hardcoded bump limit of 1000 posts. Meguca has no concept of paging, so it only supports time based thread expiry.
>a bunch of quick replies in the style of twitter posts by the same few people
Right now there are 86 total lurking IPs and 28 active IPs in the Sunday thread. Active means they posted in the last hour, lurking is anyone with a live websocket connection to the thread.
>there's absolutely nothing stopping people from spamming a dozen replies in a row within a minute
Captchouli's default character and image spam weights mean that you get a captcha every 3 image posts and every 5 pure text posts.
>The other boards are all practically dead with 3-4 threads at most, having one or two posts a day or even a week
Not really, but the entire point of meguca is centralizing activity. Other boards exist for niche reasons, like /cr/ teaching future DJs and artists or /mtv/ and /tg/ hosting group activities.
>If you really think that, then you're either new to internet spammers and their determination to shit things up if they want to or are just fooling
I've been staff on meguca instances for about 5 years and dealt with multiple people who would spam manually for hours for weeks on end. There was one incident of someone maybe using a self written captcha solver, but the incident was due to extremely autistic imageboard drama unrelated to us. The commercial spammers haven't paid for a captchouli solver, which is why shamiko has had like 3 CP posts in the last year and homurachan has had none.
>Hell, you don't even have to do that; open a hundred tabs with a few clicks, prepare replies, solve the captcha one by one and spam away. Throw in some VPN flipping and using mobile data and your basic 14 year old can simulate a faux conversation between a dozen people easily.  
Meguca has a hardcoded connection limit of 16 threads per IP and captchouli is cookie token based.
>you really think anyone actually pays attention to that shit?
The most recent NYE r/a/dio peaked at about 1500 listeners when the normal audience for FNF is about 300. R/a/dio has probably been around on imageboards longer than you have.

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>>114287
Captchouli also has another spam weight just for post creation, which for 99% of users means opening a livepost by typing a character or uploading an image.

>>114279
>the same people who were raining hellfire on israel last year while the world applauded are now killing tens of thousands of race traitors and zionist spies
Nice, I hope white nations will have leaders prepared to take out all the judeo-christian trash someday.
>As for why you probably haven't heard anything about it, it's because Western media and politicians refuse to take a stance
No it's because I've been watching nothing but anime and porn for the past four weeks and browsing anime websites that rarely have any news unrelated to japan. If the jewish media is "refusing to take a stance" it's probably because they know they can't do shit about it without getting more hypersonic missiles up their bitch asses.

>>114289
>are now killing tens of thousands of race traitors and zionist spies
Not if you follow the official narrative. As the IRGC is declaring that the police shooting and killing the protestors are also Mossad: https://archive.ph/dFaGU
AND, that the protestors are not ACTUALLY dying from being shot, it's because they're all high on LSD: https://archive.ph/WWKS5
So, when you boil it all down, the narrative coming from the Islamic Republic is that the protestors, who are ALL Mossad/CIA/MI6 in disguise, are being shot with imaginary bullets fired from fake guns belonging to police, who are ALL ALSO Mossad/CIA/MI6 in disguise, and dying anyway because they overdosed on drugs. With Islamic supporters in the Western effectively confirm that is what is "actually" taking place: https://archive.ph/95eZc

>>114291
>all twitter links
>tommy robinson
Do you have any evidence of the IRGC saying any of that that isn't coming from zionist feds?
>Iran’s Defense Minister Aziz Nasirzadeh says that protesters were under the influence of drugs, claiming some deaths resulted from overdoses rather than security force action.
jewish telephone game: "some deaths resulted from overdoses" immediately becomes "they said the protestors aren't dying from being shot, but because they're all high on LSD!"

>>114233
stop shilling that piece of shit everywhere lmfao

Can confirm that the cheeze pizza is not only hitting here. The same exact spam just hit every single top board over on 8moe.

>>114295
Add Traschan and Sportschan to that list

>>114295
That's how it's been for years. Even tiny imageboards that only get one post per week like /azu/ get it.

>>114295
Reminder we have literal feds posting CP on image boards to not have another OG 8ch. A section of the internet the western countries didn't have control over.

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>>114216
<This just happened
And it's a mystery to everyone why people are leaving /v/.

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>>114302
>censorship thread anon
>gets censored

>>114302
Jews like Mark treating their goy slaves/orbiters like this has been going on for two millennia, it's nothing new. I left 8/v/ in 2015 after about one year of observing his increasingly censorious jewish behavior but it takes some anons over 11 years to learn apparently.

Why is this anime board is so fucking niggerlicious?. The faggot admin pretty much restrict anyone to post in here anonymously. I can't find a single person who isn't a homosexual but think it's ok to have this kind of norm on image board. 

Holy fuck admin, are you a closet tranny or something? Are you proud of having big tits but have no balls despite being born as male?

>>114305
Crazy-kun is that you? Did you achieve 6 digits yet?

>>114306
It's not ESL and it doesn't have a picture of anon's childhood drawings so it's not him

>>114307
it sure looks ESL, unless kids these days are just that bad at grammar

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>>114306
>>114307
>>114311
Pic related is the true Crazy-kun.

>>114312
>Why delet my posts faggot? Oh i guess you wanna look like you are on the correct side? Because whatever i say just disadvantaged you? Well maybe shut the fuck up yourself, loser. Nobody thinks you are doing a great job either
is better grammar than
>Why is this anime board is so fucking niggerlicious?. The faggot admin pretty much restrict anyone to post in here anonymously. I can't find a single person who isn't a homosexual but think it's ok to have this kind of norm on image board.

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>Epstein created /pol/
This is the timeline you're "living" in btw

>>114335
Wait, what? Source needed

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>>114335
Fucking unreal finding Mootikins in there

>>114336
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01772702.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA02003492.pdf
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Shitcreek 1444 is gonna be an interesting episode.

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>>114343
dude is on X claiming nothing is true.

Hey, pizza delivery to /hgg/ has an extra large one today.

>>114345
it seems to be a cope reach by leftoid faggots in a sad attempt to make "rightists" look stupid, insinuating that epstein created one of their breeding grounds. ironic because most oldfags remember how filled with demoralization/bbc/cuck spam by israelis when moot brought the board back. 
laso lest people forget that ghislane maxwell was referred to as "critical structural support" on reddit, and managed a sizeable fraction of the site's subreddits.

>>114347
Then why were epstein and noam chomsky talking about how niggers are genetically less intelligent than humans? Why are there so many pics of (D) and (R) politicians partying together at places like epstein island? "Right vs. left" politics are political theater for the goyim. Jews will spam /pol/ with pics of nigger penis and r/politics with pics of dead nigger babies at the same time to divide, conquer, and sell some political merch to both while they're at it.

>>114348
<"the goyim"
>using terms epstein himself likely injected into the discourse
good job on being totally mindfucked, anon

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>>114349
>using greentext and redtext
>"mindfucked" and "anon"
those are four things epstein probably invented dude!
>>114352
epstein and kotick were right about anime tits teaching boys japanese

>>114349
Goyim in abundance.

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>Elon is such an autistic cringelord with redditor quips, he gave the ick to big Jeff and co.
One of the funniest things about this.

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>>114349

Should a new news thread be created?

>>114374
yes on another website because this one's dead lol

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<Is this still active?

>>114352
>Jeff had /gif/ bookmarked, was experimenting with Clockwork Orange-style MKUltra torture, but with Mario Bros, and thought he could brainwash kids with anime tiddies
...

>>114347
>Occupy Wall Street (OWS) was a left-wing populist and progressive[7] movement against economic inequality, capitalism, corporate greed, big finance, and the influence of money in politics. It began in Zuccotti Park, located in New York City's Financial District, and lasted for fifty-nine days—from September 17 to November 15, 2011.[8]

Didn't someone in the e-mails mention that "the potential for manipulation is huge" in reference to 4chan? Why else would Epstein want to talk to Moot? Because he just likes /u/ that much? The culture war bullshit started to take off right after the billionaires got spooked by Occupy Wall Street. The timing of /pol/ being added in the middle of OWS one day after Moot met with Epstein, leading to Gamergate, leading to the most jew and billionaire-friendly president in history getting elected in 2016 is just too sus to ignore.

>>114386
if gaymergayte hadn't happened we'd probably be living in a utopia eternally ruled by King Jeb Bush right now where niggers are slaves again, women are property and all the jews have been turned into anti-vegan guacamole

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>>114386
You do realise the entire reason we're here and this site exists at all is because Gamergate was banned from 4chan, right? The obvious honeypot for an existing culture got out of control. Golems, as you may know if you've ever actually looked into jews, have a history of getting out of control.
Now take your parroted talking points back to /leftypol/ and the twitter trannies where you got them. I saw a bunch of them (including the official /leftypol/ account) saying exactly the same thing as you while trawling through nitter's search for shit other people dug up.

As for something I dug up: I saw that Gerald Jay Sussman (one of the co-authors of SICP) was on Epstein's Island for his Mindshift Conference, and figured I'd do a little digging in the files. I haven't found any direct emails between the two, but it looks like a meeting was scheduled between the two during February 6, 2011. They also mention that he was bringing his telescope to the after-dinner parties at the hotel and totally wouldn't use it to spy on people at the pool.

>>114390
>the ((official)) /leftypol/
Leftychan here, we don't like those fuckers.

>>114391
What's the difference? I forgot /leftypol/ existed after 8chan died.

>>114392
For a while everyone went to bunkerchan and then some shit went down that I actually forget and everyone went to leftypol.org.  Then finally another split occurred when some members of the .org moderation team tried to democratize the moderation/site governance system with user participation and the others responded by essentially staging a coup to force them out and consolidate control over the website.  That led to the creation of leftychan.  The main difference between to the two is that leftypol.org is a censorious shithole where you get flippant months+ long bans for expressing the wrong opinions, while leftychan retains the dedication to open debate that's been a part of the community since 8ch.  At this point the behavior of leftypol.org jannies is so cartoonishly corrupt and abusive that one could be forgiven for if they theorized that maybe they're some kind of cointelpro operation to sabotage the community.  They're so out of touch with image board culture that they even ban pepes.

>>114386
For some reason I never made the connection between OWS and the creation of /pol/.  A lot of things start to make more sense now.

>>114393
Interesting, I didn't know about the final split.
>>114394
I don't remember if I've ever seen /pol/ itself talk about the timing of its creation, but there was an awareness that the political discourse had been shifted oddly following OWS. What I do remembering is seeing charts on there which showed how key leftist identity politics concepts went from having almost no google searches to a massive spike shortly after OWS which trended steadily upwards after that. 
It's also worth remembering that Ghislaine Maxwell ran a shitton of subreddits on the other side of the political spectrum, so a lot of people who are pointing fingers at /pol/ for originating as a honeypot golem are themselves just holders of opinions which Maxwell enforced on Reddit for years.

>>114390 
>maid dragon
Shit taste, opinion discarded.
>leftypol, twatter
Nope.
>I heard a bunch of no-nos saying that water is wet, therefore water cannot be wet!
.
>You do realise the entire reason we're here and this site exists at all is because Gamergate was banned from 4chan, right? The obvious honeypot for an existing culture got out of control.
Correct, a golem outlived its usefulness and needed to be disposed of to prepare the stage for our lord and savior Donald Duck to deliver us from those ebil wimmyn by using the power of the mighty maso- I mean egyptian god kek (which totally wasn't astroturfed as well). Yes, what about all those billionaires and zionists? They will help us defeat the globalist cabal of females and immigrants!
>Gerald Jay Sussman
>sussman
>He's a jewish pedophile? Say it ain't so!
Nice find I guess, but circumstancial evidence hinting at the most influential psyop in human history is more interesting to me. If true, it would also explain the decline in organic popularity of imageboards since 2017: they outlived their usefulness and goyim were corralled to safer pastures, like reddit and twitter, once the OWS millennials had aged out of the protesting demographic and zion don's reign was secured. Zoomers were correctly predicted to be completely soy-i-fied from social media exposure, so they wouldn't be capable of spontaneous organization like millennials had done. I'm guessing 4chan's main function since then has been to monitor and demoralize the collective consciousness of all non-conformists until the old guard and any stray zoomies or alphies leave or rope.

>>114391
What's leftychan's address? Do you allow explicitly naming the jew and their role in Frankfurt School-derived ideology?

>>114396
I don't remember seeing any posts on /pol/ explicitly calling out it being created during OWS, only the charts about google searches. And I don't remember any good explanations for why moot decided to bring back /new/ at all, which we now may have. I have seen u/maxwellhill=Jizzlaine posted multiple times on reddit, but the moderators being globohomo puppets was obvious long before she got arrested. moot being one as well came as much more of a surprise. And I don't mean the speculation that he got coerced by feds to allow full access to 4chan servers or to plant glownigger mods in /b/, but that he willingly wined and dined with mossad agents.

>>114399
>Do you allow explicitly naming the jew and their role in Frankfurt School-derived ideology?
We can do better than that.  The culprit behind "Frankfurt School" retardation was finally fingered in an exhaustively researched book released just a couple months ago.  You'll never guess who it was.

https://leftychan.net/edu/res/6444.html#8043

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I've never gotten so many permabans and posts deleted because of broken antispam detection in my life. No wonder this site is dead.
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>>114400
Link to paste. What is even the point of this shit when you can spam whatever with a normal user agent if you just use a free proxy service.

>>114393
>They're so out of touch with image board culture that they even ban pepes
only sub-90 IQ retards, feds, and underage kids that just heard about pepe on knowyourmeme still post pepes

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>>114407
Fug...

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Not sure if anyone else has noticed it in other places, but there does seem to be this concerted effort to force only one political viewpoint across places.

>>114393
>Then finally another split occurred when some members of the .org moderation team tried to democratize the moderation/site governance system with user participation and the others responded by essentially staging a coup to force them out and consolidate control over the website.
It's funny how the inherent problem with Socialist systems STILL manage to crop up even in their own fucking platforms.
>while leftychan retains the dedication to open debate that's been a part of the community since 8ch
I was one /leftypol/ back on Ye Olde H9chan, you fags were censorous even then. There was no "open debate".

>>114396
>but there was an awareness that the political discourse had been shifted oddly following OWS. What I do remembering is seeing charts on there which showed how key leftist identity politics concepts went from having almost no google searches to a massive spike shortly after OWS which trended steadily upwards after that. 
That was done with the expressed purpose of killing the OWS movement. It's no secret that if you want to kill or subvert a political movement, what you need to do is hijack it with social greivance problems.

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>>114409
>>114410
Reminds me, I caught these screencaps from their twitter account recently. /leftypol/'s anti-identity politics stance is and has always been a larp. Being anti-native working class is fine because they're all cultural marxists. Settlers in particular is a totally insane book and ground zero for modern racial oppression theories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlers:_The_Mythology_of_the_White_Proletariat
>Settlers argues that the class system in the United States is built upon the genocide of Native Americans and the enslavement of Africans and that the white working class in the United States constitutes a privileged labor aristocracy that lacks proletarian consciousness. Arguing that the white working class possesses a petit-bourgeois and reformist consciousness, Sakai posits that only the colonized peoples of the United States constitute its proletariat.
In english, poor white people are oppressors and rich nonwhites are oppressed.

>>114407
Perhaps so, but you're still a faggot if you ban for it.

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>>114409
>There was no "open debate".
I'd like to remind you why /leftypol/ had to be created in the first place: censorious jannies on /pol/ couldn't deal with anons talking politics from the left so they starting banning for it.  And there certainly was open debate... for a time.  You do have a point though: at one point the BO of /leftypol/ lost their mind over the Syrian ((civil war)) and started banning anons posting about Rojava.  In hindsight we can see plainly now that Kurds and Rojava were US pawns used to collapse the Syrian government, but censoring discussion over it was a disastrous policy that caused a split on 8ch itself and the creation of another board whose name I forget.  That community split wasn't finally resolved until 8ch died and everyone moved to bunkerchan under new owners.

>>114412
Again it's identarian bullshit like this, which /leftypol/ users have hated with an undying passion since the creation of the original 8ch board, that lends credence to theories that leftypol.org has been taken over by a cointelpro operation.  I would again like to direct you to this book published a few months ago as an antidote to your "cultural Marxism" brainworms.  It turns out that the Frankfurt School clowns, who spent their entire academic careers directing people away from class consciousness, were quite literally funded by the CIA.

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>>114414
Lying faggot.
>why /leftypol/ had to be created in the first place
/leftypol/ was made very close to /pol/, possibly on the same day. 8chan showed board creation dates on the index page. They never wanted open discussion, they came from communist generals on 4/pol/.
>lends credence to theories that leftypol.org has been taken over by a cointelpro operation
As opposed to when /leftypol/ was on 8chan, where it was run by a clique of discord trannes and owned by a transsexual prostitute.
>your "cultural Marxism" brainworms
See >>114404 >>114406 you cultist.

>/leftypol/ was made very close to /pol/, possibly on the same day
Here it is.
https://archive.is/f5f5h
/pol/ was made on the 17th of September, /leftypol/ was made on the 21st.

From what I remember, the tranny BO paraded around one screenshot of the OG /pol/ board owner banning him in one thread and used that as an excuse to make a board for "censored leftists" who happened to all come from r/chapo.

>>114412
>that japan fag parade pic
even in a nation where the vast majority of young people aren't overweight, of course the fag parade is a gathering of all the fattest and ugliest retards.
>>114413
4chan mods are some of the biggest faggots on the planet and they allow and sometimes engage in frog/wojak posting. Banning frogposters is what heterosexual moderation looks like.

>>114418
>even in a nation where the vast majority of young people aren't overweight, of course the fag parade is a gathering of all the fattest and ugliest retards.
Also, it should be noted that protests in Japan do not happen naturally or unless there is a real issue. Because of the country's "polite" culture, protests are seen as rude and a nuisance. So the only people that do end up showing up for protests in Japan are the more radical individuals or people directly effected. And I recently found this out through people promoting the various Iranian protests across the globe: https://archive.ph/vwLyw

>>114416
>As opposed to when /leftypol/ was on 8chan, where it was run by a clique of discord trannes and owned by a transsexual prostitute.
Now you're just parroting a smear by butthurt /pol/ raiders that was never substantiated with any proof.

>you cultist
The book is freely available for you to read and loaded with citations.  If you're so secure in your beliefs, you should have no problem confronting them with countervailing evidence right?

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>>114422
Have you ever noticed that when it comes to Socialism, you jackasses can never admit that you're wrong? That it's always some external entity that's the problem, and never the ideology?

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>>114422
>it's a /pol/ conspiracy that moscai the tranny prostitute owned /leftypol/
lol this level of denial is hilarious. Not surprising though since leftychan is another tranny run site. Is moscai still around in your fag den?
Archive of the traposlavia discord leaks LMAO
https://archive.is/FmO4o

>If you're so secure in your beliefs, you should have no problem confronting them with countervailing evidence right?
Da CIA did it with time travel is not a serious position, cultist. Yes, it's well known the CIA funded and supported movements like postmodern to fight the USSR and undoubtedly critical theory western marxism was part of this. What you're ignoring, because communism is a cult, is that all of this started in the 20s with Gramsci and German jews trying to create what the preconditions for a successful Communist revolution by attacking and pathologizing social institutions like the family.

>>114426
>Yes, it's well known the CIA funded and supported movements like postmodern to fight the USSR and undoubtedly critical theory western marxism was part of this.
There's also the problem that the CIA isn't "all knowing" nor "all powerful". For example, Operation Ajax back in 1953 was one of those hilarous times in history where the CIA showed up to and got the results they wanted by...literally doing nothing. In fact, they were actually the last people on the ground to even find out that the Shah regained power and had dismissed Mossadegh. And everything that we "know" today, outside of declassified documents, is out-right fiction published by an IRGC funded journalist who "broke" the story in the 90's.

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I'll just say it here since this is one of the few remaining boards I enjoy, but I've become increasingly feeling disillusioned with the webring as of late and have gone from an active poster to someone who only occasionally lurks.
I started imageboards back on 4chan on /b/ /pol/ and /k/ many many years ago, and went to 8chan with the first 5-guys exodus and mostly used /v/ /k/ /pol/
After the whole tarrant thing and 8chan getting shut down I went to various imageboards and eventually settled in the webring (and a few other places) because it was what felt most like "home"

There was no sudden/recent change or anything im complaining about, but as of late this place just hasn't felt like "home" anymore. Has anyone else felt this way? It's been a gradual shift for a while but I think the original userbase has been completely replaced. Feels like being the last one left.

>>114456
>It's been a gradual shift for a while but I think the original userbase has been completely replaced. Feels like being the last one left.
I've even seen this on 8moe, as well. Where a lot of the previous /v/ posters who even managed to find the site even with all the shutdown and site-hopping chaos stopped posting altogether around 2022. But I would have to say that there's definately been a noticeable influx of rapefugees over the past year, and that was before the cuckchan hack.

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>>114456
I feel similarly. On my end, I really enjoy making retarded-ass shitpost edits, but as time has gone on in the webring there's just been less and less material to inspire them. Sometimes I manage to get some in, but overall a lot of the conversations are a lot less dynamic and more boring, and it gets to the point where even reaction images grow scarce at times. Complaining about the state of things is boring and stale itself, so at this point I just talk about stuff when it comes to mind without really forcing it and participate where I can.

>>114456
The webring is infested with anons that seek “quality” in posts without any understanding of what quality means on an imageboard.
The term “quality shitpost” evades them.
They beg for moderation to fix “quality” 
They think any argument takes away from threads rather than being a source of entertainment.
Controversial words will get them crying “fed”
They dont understand why people want to remain anonymous. 
Its a strange userbase of pretend oldfags. I find fedchan and kc to have better newfags but the boards themselves are all basically a flavor of /b/.

>>114457
8moe is barely recognizable and honestly even julay and zzz were more like 8/v/ than 8moe was even in its inception.
But its been obvious for years that none of them are the spiritual successor of 8/v/

>>114458
Same. For  a while I would just read a thread and have nothing to say. So I would post less and less frequently. But lately I haven’t even felt like reading the threads.

>>114461
>They think any argument takes away from threads rather than being a source of entertainment.
I get tired of arguments rather quickly because they eventually just go in circles with no one providing anything new or insightiful to say outside of hypothetical logic traps. And almost always end with the guy just trying to have the last word as some "hot take", going full retard and delegitimizing any reason for the argument in the first place, or go running off crying that people disagree with him and how he'll "Never post ever again".

>>114462
Sounds specific.
Have you tried winning the argument?

What exactly are anons complaining about? Is it a particular site or topic on the webring? This is vague as shit.

>>114461
>They think any argument takes away from threads rather than being a source of entertainment.
The thing is that these arguments have to be genuine and not boring. The people who think they're being interesting by intentionally stirring shit up are pretty boring ans usually full of themselves, whereas actual disagreements or genuine, un-selfconscious weirdness are a lot more interesting. You can't force it: you more just need space for it.

>>114461
>julay
lmao no

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>>114463
>Have you tried winning the argument?
As I said: >>114462
<And almost always end with the guy just trying to have the last word as some "hot take", going full retard and delegitimizing any reason for the argument in the first place, or go running off crying that people disagree with him and how he'll "Never post ever again".
There's no "victory" in "winning" an argument. It just becomes a waste of time. Especially when it seems like almost no one engages in discussions these days for the purposes of learning something or adding anything of value. They just want to express their opinion, no matter how retarded it is and watch as other people reaffirm their beliefs. And if anyone questions their beliefs, then it's the other people who are wrong. And I cannot really blame them.

No one actually listens to people anymore. They may hear what the person is saying, but it goes in one ear and out the other for however much they care about it.

Cheeze on /hgg/

>>114468
It's nack

>>114456 
I guess that makes two of us, but I suspect there are more such lurkers than you think. Have you visited https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Lambdaplusjs or nanochan before that?

>>114461
I think the cause is that, like others have said, 90% of the imageboard posters now are post-2016 or even 2020 zoomer newfags pretending to be oldfags, but their mentality is completely different from that of the millennials and gen X of the 2000s 4chan. An uncomfortable truth is that most of the /a/ and /b/ oldfags have either moved offline and are busy with families, or have moved to reddit and such. The zoomer goycattle that populates imageboards now have extremely fragile egos and simply do not comprehend the concept of "for teh lulz." Internet is le very serious business to them, maybe because most of them don't have a real life, so everything becomes some epic culture war battle that must be won at all costs. That's why they aren't interested in candid arguments with the purpose of seeking the truth and why they clamor for mods to remove all posts that hurt their feelings. They're stuck-up retarded snowflake faggots, essentially. Good times, weak men, etc. I can see why such people are incapable of creativity in shitposting and why 4chan stopped being the meme engine of the internet. 

>>114465
Successful shit-stirring baits need to be based on actual contentions. A bait like "actually 1+1=3 because <obviously erroneous reasoning>" will get 0 replies, but a bait like "Hitler might have been a shabbos goy because several historians have found evidence of him being financed by jews/anglos" might get several hundred replies before being banned by moderators for wrongthink. In other words, if a shit-stirring attempt is successful, then it almost certainly IS a genuine dispute, otherwise people wouldn't bother replying to it. So I find that term a misnomer, since it implies that people's beliefs have unresolved contradictions that they need to work through and doing that is somehow bad. If your world model is 100% accurate, then the concept of shit-stirring doesn't even make any sense, since you can just answer any bait in 1 comprehensive post that preempts all possible counterarguments.

>>114467
>Especially when it seems like almost no one engages in discussions these days for the purposes of learning something or adding anything of value. They just want to express their opinion, no matter how retarded it is and watch as other people reaffirm their beliefs. And if anyone questions their beliefs, then it's the other people who are wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_chamber_(media)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
The real question is why is it a much bigger problem now than it was 20 years ago? Is it purely because of social engineering by tech corpos and will revert without that or have people themselves changed for the worse? I mean I did just say that zoomers are weak retarded faggots but I'm open to disagreements.

>>114198
I really hope that you change your mind and don't close this website. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would miss it.

>>114484
I’ll check out nanochan. I think you’re dead on about everything else. 
>for teh lulz
Brb watch this video feed. See that card stand? Im gonna knock it over. Give me 35 minutes.
Heres the address of this idiot. Lets order him some pizza as a show of good faith.
I feel like today youd get banned and have people calling you a fed.

>>114466
Compared to 8moe? Absolutely without even a shred of doubt. 8moe is all gacha and tv shows. The only successful vidya threads are flavor of the month meme games on steam. Criticism of nintendo games will earn you a ban and people dont even shit on Mark for doing that anymore.
Theres even an “anonymous” “8ch” (8moe) steam group. 99% of which have never been to 8ch.

>>114198
Revive /miku/

>>114484
I think the only one who wants to keep it going is the /d/ BO. He seems the only one who didn't want to give up.

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What happened to that manga about the the loli dictator? Because I think Trump just broke reality again.

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>>114508
do north koreans have an obesity fetish because of all the starvation or does their lack of internet access make them too retarded to figure out that lasagna and cheesecake are not healthy foods to feed your daughter?

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Yo. Since it's the end I'll run my mouth, late as always.
You guys keep saying it's the oldgoods leaving and being replaced but I think that's a misunderstanding -there have been closed gardens with heterotopiac culture and prestigious membership for all of history and they live out the same cycles and deaths, because nothing remains the same even in isolation. The old anons died and were reincarnated as faggots within the same space and they don't remember it happening. I'm an eternal tourist, and I don't belong because the context of culture and thread/post format lends itself to only a narrow few people who walk this eartcoming to imageboards and finding their impulsive posting creates something positive for them; I can think of a few things worth saying that someone would want to hear, but that's all, and if you engage with the same culture for long enough everyone with run out their interest, unless they're mentally ill and either incapable of satisfyingly concluding their thoughts or form a feedback loop, causing these people to have an outsized presence in old communities.
The human mind doesn't seek happiness, it seeks comfort, and you need to fight against that if you want something else, for anons to accept the bad and choose to live together so what you've liked about here can at least reincarnate sooner in the cycles of bullshit, if only for a fleeting moment here and there, or arrange your mind and your surroundings to ascend the death of your rotting home.
>>114467
Kids growing up in an overly censorious world desperately need these kinds of discussions because it's the first place they've been allowed to have them, but since the internet is full of 24/7 gayops they learn the ones they're talking to aren't people, they internalize it, and they 
apply it to the real world, and it becomes them in totality. These discussions are as real to them as anything can be, it's just you've run your interest already.
The imageboards themselves have been subject to the context problem -it's normal for things to exist in decline with a few short periods when the possibility of repairing everything creates a feeling of a golden age, it's why people always turn back to religion, being the compressed optimism across history that embodies a hope born from the past in lieu of the future which everyone can connect over -to us it's your backlog and streaming reruns. It will probably be another 50 years before something like imageboards have a resurgence when the time is right.
Either way I don't think making animu itself your culture is wise. You must destroy the things you love to retain ownership of what truly matters.

>>114525
Have you ever taken an IQ test?

>>114530
Is it so that you'll have a fit again because high IQ people happen to disagree with you?

>>114531
high IQ people don't try (and fail) to assume identity by a 7 word anon post

>>114532
>high IQ people don't try to assume identity by a 7 word anon post
That's right, they don't try.

>>114530
I took a few out of curiosity and got scores 70 points apart and no similar results from any two tests, so online tests are bogus or I'm so retarded it's undefined.
I think any person is the only one who can effectively prove themselves wrong, and smart people tend to entrench themselves where nothing can dislodge them, losing touch with the world.

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>>114426
NTA but this is some real schizo shit you're posting because you're just regurgitating shit you saw on /pol/. Touch grass and stop believing every meme and screencap you see at face value. 
>pic 1 
leftychan and leftypol are two different sites and have been for years. Secondly, leftychan's lgbt board is dead as fuck and used for shitposting. 
>pic-2 
Yes people got banned for that on 8ch.net because it's bait, a bannable offense on most boards. 
>pic 3 
leftypol BO never used discord, he literally banned people for posting discord links, the people that did sometimes use discord was /leftpol/ which was a splinter board that directly opposed leftypol back then. Contextless screencaps of some random loser are meaningless 
>pic 4 
All this is, is a collection of memes circlejerking the claim about the BO. The fact is, all this is proof of is that /tv/'s BO hired a tranny to blow him, making them a tranny chaser and then they coped about it being /leftypol/'s BO because "haha lefty = sjw" was the political meme of the era. 
>pic 5
This is literally a screencap of the fucking breadtubers from r/socialism. People with whom leftypol literally had beef with for years to the point that it was a meme

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>>114412
leftypol stopped being legit back in the early 2020s when reddit banned a bunch of "leftist" subreddits and the old BO (the real BO SolidSnake, and not the tranny fantasy you like to masturbate to) abandoned the site. After that the mods, particularly faggots like wvobbly began to abuse their janny powers and ban anti-idpol discussion. They deleted the idpol containment thread, ignored liberal faggotry and generally allowed bad faith shit to stay up while banning dissent. It's why leftychan was made. But generally imageboards are dying there's no impetus, the old groups are gone, and only the most vague, large groups (weebs, furries, politics obsessed teens, etc.) are still relevant and even then it's a melting pot of regurgitated takes and echo-chambered shitposting. 

6 years ago the idea of leftypol having a twitter account to begin with was fucking absurd, Settlers was a fucking meme, a joke on the same level as lasalle being a jewish nigger.

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>>114539
>>114538 
The last time leftypol was based was during the /pol/jak scandal years ago

Also inb4 some "butthurt leftypol tranny" shit, I left leftypol, pol and everything else years ago. leftypol, pol, k, etc. are all fucking dead. They're shambling zombies animated by the dying convulsions of fermenting shit and rotting flesh, collecting the lowest common denominator of anon. People do not discuss theory or literature anymore, people do not have discussions, they just fling shit or spam reposts or get excited for the next new e-drama. It's worthless. The same is really applicable to most socialization platforms, anonymous or otherwise. 

There will never be another time when a fascist and a communist can debate the merits and faults of populism or argue about liberal faggotry. There will never be another time when people didn't just spam "hurr gommie/tranny" "hurr nazee" over and over again. People mentioned shamiko and PPH and whatever... it's a fucking shitshow. People just saying random nonsense at breakneck speed, not even posting images. It's like /b/'s mutated cumsock child, except /b/ is like that now too. It's just becoming minorly categorized /b/ but even worse.

Indisputable facts: leftism is dysgenic. Equality only benefits the inferior at the expense of the superior, which makes everything worse by making humans dumber and weaker. Any leftist society will inevitably be defeated in war by a non-leftist society.

>>114538
>the people that did sometimes use discord was /leftpol/ which was a splinter board that directly opposed leftypol back then
I used /leftpol/ regularly after the Rojava censorship and I don't remember this myself.  Anons (on lefty politics boards or otherwise) have been extremely hostile to the entire idea of using Discord from the beginning and I doubt it's something they would have gotten away with using without pushback.  Lefties are particularly harsh towards Discord though due to the corporate spyware-surveillance state connection we're all been made aware of since the Snowden leaks.

>>114540
The saddest thing for me is how it's become nearly impossible to have a dissenting perspective on just about any subject across the web ring.  The moment you assert anything disagreeable to a group of fartsniffing ingroupies you get dogpiled with low-effort fallacies to discredit you as a poster.  This stuff of course has always been the case on image boards, but the appeal of anonymity was that people were forced to address substance without a reputation to protect.  Unfortunately  you may not give a shit about your own reputation as an anonymous poster, but these kinds of childish games actually seem to be convincing bystanding anons now.  It's as if the worst elements of /b/ and/or /v/ children from the 00's grew up and never matured in their ability to construct or address arguments.  This stuff has become so predictable and thought terminating that I've honestly sometimes wondered if a provocateur element was doing it deliberately to lower the quality of discourse and sabotage niche image boards as a viable web forum alternative.  I mean, really: how much effort would it actually take to go about doing this?  It sure doesn't take any fucking effort to act like a child and throw feces at every possible attempt at having a serious dialectical exchange.

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>>114538
>leftychan and leftypol are two different sites and have been for years
>>114539
>leftypol stopped being legit back in the early 2020s when reddit banned a bunch of "leftist" subreddits and the old BO (the real BO SolidSnake, and not the tranny fantasy you like to masturbate to) abandoned the site. After that the mods, particularly faggots like wvobbly began to abuse their janny powers and ban anti-idpol discussion. They deleted the idpol containment thread, ignored liberal faggotry and generally allowed bad faith shit to stay up while banning dissent. It's why leftychan was made. 
You do realize that you just confirmed that you ARE the same group of fags that we've hated since h8chan, only you retards started getting into a series of pissing contests and splintered, right?


>>114540
>People do not discuss theory or literature anymore
Because all your theories are shit and based around feelings of envy and resentment, and all your literature is the same three stories. Either Communism takes over and you're on an ever-expanding quest to enlighten the rest of the fucking universe that they're stupid for not being Communist (Everything from Ecotopia to classic Star Trek), you're "liberating" yourself from some "evil" all-powerful authoritarian (Mickey 17, In Time, the Star Wars sequel trilogy), or people are just sitting back and watching the world and humanity die because people didn't become Communist (Roadside Picnic, almost EVERY cyberpunk story).
>There will never be another time when a fascist and a communist can debate the merits and faults of populism or argue about liberal faggotry.
You mean like the brief period Hitler partnered with the USSR?

Also, it sounds like you're distraught because you're own ideology is operating exactly how it's suppose to. There is no "friends" when it comes to Socialism, just temporary alliances that will allow for you to get ahead. And once that alliance has served it's purpose, you go back to being enemies because the "other person" has now become the reason why you cannot create heaven on Earth.

That's the one thing you asshole never get. Those of us who adovcate for and idealize concepts like entrepreneurship, the building of wealth, free markets, and private property KNOW that life sucks and there's not a single fucking thing we can do to change that. It's sucked for the past 6000 years we have on recorded history and it will likely continue to suck for the next 6000. But that being said, it doesn't have to suck all the time. And that's where money is made, where wealth is generated. You see someone having a problem that you can solve, and you offer to fix that problem (Making your life ironically suck more but for a temporary span of time) in exchange for something that will make your life slightly suck less. And that's what keeps happening over and over, and why it is that Capitalist and Free Market economies tend to rule the world. Because you knowingly give up some of the happiness that you could have at this very moment in exchange for a greater amount of happiness in the future. And at any time you wish, you can declare that you finally have "enough" and stop doing anything, as your wealth slowly fades away since you're not doing anything to make someone's life suck less (Other than provide them with the resources to do the same exact thing).

Meanwhile that hasn't happened and cannot happen in a single Socialist country. You're not ALLOWED to be happy because it means you're the reason why we haven't reached Communism yet. Because it's a neverending process that will only ever achieve it's goal once every single atom in the grand infinite universe is under Socialist influence. There is no "day of rest" under Socialism.

>>114556
You do realize that you're making extremely vague statements that can be applied to ANY situation, right?

>>114556
>The moment you assert anything disagreeable to a group of fartsniffing ingroupies you get dogpiled with low-effort fallacies to discredit you as a poster
Have you ever considered that people form groups to associate privately? You don't have a right to join a community because you can spell every logical fallacy backwards. It doesn't mean they're being morally consistent or objective and logical when they exclude you, but you're not going to win them over by acting like an autist and appealing to a general principle of how you think imageboards should work.
>the appeal of anonymity was that people were forced to address substance without a reputation to protect
You give the impression of someone who has a very distinct posting style, but believe people should treat you differently every time you show up because your name is Anonymous.

>>114538
>>114539
>>114540
>my board is the real /leftypol/ and I'm here to defend the honor of 8chan's /leftypol/ from the evil /pol/jak memes from 11 years ago
It's 2026, retard. Nobody cares. You're from a splinter of a board that was so serious about socialism that they spent years spamming Stirner memes, because no one there had opened a book to learn that Marx and Stirner hated each other. People only remember /leftypol/ these days for some combination of having a tranny prostitute board owner, cheating at virtual divegrass, botting their user count and taking over/splintering boards to try to win internet wars with people who never thought of them. /leftypol/ was a plague regardless of how consistent their anti-idpol position was. You're not going to win any points here or elsewhere by talking about how we need to stop being anti-semitic and read more books about your favorite flavor of revisionist Socialism. If you want to talk about garbage on the webring, then go to nukechan.

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>>114559
>elon musk
>star trek
>star wars
Are you trying to make your side look as retarded and gay as possible? Are you going to compare Hitler or Stalin to Voldemort and yourself to Batman next?

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>>114562
Way to miss the point, you absolute fucking retard. And you wonder why people hate you everywhere you go.

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>>114559
>>114563
Ironically Marxists still ended up making better art than the contemporary left does, as Marxism was somehow a less all-encompassing, mechanistic soul trap of a cosmology than critical race theory and queer theory are. There were some good Soviet films, and western Marxist films like Zulu had their merits, but my impression is that they were usually good because the artist's ideological framework had enough cracks for truth and beauty to slip through.

>>114561
>Nobody cares.
Evidently someone cares enough to still be trying to peddle false history.  I wonder what could make them feel so insecure that they feel like they have to do that.

>all this /leftypol/ revisionism
leave it to the fags who worship Stalin I guess

>>114565
Because I'm here anyway and I was there back then. I'm not running cover for how 8/pol/ was back then, but here you are still trying to whiteknight for /leftypol/. The constant lies, subversion and historical revisionism are why /leftypol/ was hated by the rest of 8chan. All this because what, you think that if you make newfags unbelieve the memes that they will start believing in your communism for real this time ideology instead? All communism does is replace the current ruling class with failed middle class professionals and attack the working class in the name of anti-racism. It's an affirmative action program for credentialed retards who drank the wordcel koolaid in college and believe that they can control reality with words on paper, because they were passed in a party resolution by a quorum of equally well educated morons.

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>>114564
>Marxists still ended up making better art than the contemporary left does
Because in the past, there was still at least some Conservative/Traditionalist principles and expectations that guided the mindset. I mentioned that Star Trek is blatant Communist propaganda, but it still had some merits and concepts that people universally agreed upon, except for Next Gen, and that's why people latched onto the series all these years later. Star Wars had similar attachements in that the original trilogy was essentially WWII in space, but it still had aspects like Luke seeking to redeem Vader showing that people can change. Even Roadside Picnic, which comes straight from the USSR, is an excellent book and that's a story that effectively has the "Capitalism bad end" conclusion (Though the ambiguous ending does leave some amount of hope).

But as far as modern Socialist creators, they have none of that because they seek to destroy the modern order. For them, it's the modern world that is keeping them contained, unappreciated, and living in the gutter. Effectively believing a narrative that amounts to saying that trash like Gone Home would be considered a "ground breaking game" if only we deleted the previous four decades of video games from existence. That Indiana Jones 5 and Terminator 6 wouldn't have bombed had we already overthrown the patriarchy. And that these new Marvel stars in the comics would be just as popular as Marvel in the 60's if only we weren't such a racist and bigotted society.

<Like this video points out, Socialism, at first, had some merits of people looking for different methods in trying to find ways to improve society.
However we're reaching two centuries of attempting to put this shit into practice and it has NEVER FUCKING WORKED.

>>114568
Alright that's 2 mentions of Roadside Picnic -which is an amazing book- in a bizarre context and I need to slap the shit out of you. The Strugatsky brothers were pioneers of ramming wrongthink through the censor and their greater but lesser known work, The Doomed City, is among other things the ultimate condemnation of communism. Roadside Picnic is not about fucking politics it's about consequences, that's what the ending means -he gives up and pushes  it onto you, the reader. If anything the book argues quite effectively equality is impossible by demonstrating how wealthy both sides are despite not having any material wealth that can be controlled.

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>>114570
>Alright that's 2 mentions of Roadside Picnic
Why is that weird? I was originally making the point that it does follow standard Socialists tropes, and only later brought it up again to point out that it is still a good book despite that circumstance.
>The Strugatsky brothers were pioneers of ramming wrongthink through the censor
According to Boris in the forward of my copy of Picnic, he outright says that the book wasn't designed to cause any stir. In fact, with the way he describes the writing process for the book, it was perhaps one of their least offensive works (And one of the least popular domestically), which threw them for a loop as it turned into an eight year process getting the anthology version (That also included Space Mowgli and Dead Mountaineer’s Hotel) released as the publisher and the CCAULYLCL kept demanding change after change. And once everything was all said and done, only Space Lowgli came out unmolested. I found a copy of the afterward online if you're interested in reading it: https://archive.ph/9OIvd
>Roadside Picnic is not about fucking politics it's about consequences
What's the difference? Isn't the consequences we experience the result of our (political) actions and (political) views?

>>114571
>I was surprised they censored it, I could do so much worse.
If everything is political then everything can also be said to be nuanced, in which case statements of political affiliation are often insufficiently nuanced.
The existence of The Zone allows for a nonpolitical story, because the management of it is understandable from any political perspective, and stalkers don't require a reason. You could say it's an ideal of the concept that no amount of skill or smarts can save you from getting unlucky, but the experience gained if you survive allows you to control the lives of those who want it, allowing you to gain more experience still at no risk.
I'd say the personal part of the story is an exploration of Red's sense of responsibility, and I don't think internal beliefs are political, not unless it's a desire for an external system. Red wants to live without leaving a mess for someone else, it's his faith in humanity that leads him to think selling zone items doesn't count, and in the end he loses it through himself as he buckles under the enormous burden he takes on.
The Doomed City makes that personal journey political through comparing Andre's perspective to Stalin's and asserts communism only makes sense from the perspective of a man who wants for nothing, not because of the difficulty of taking from the wealthy, but from giving to the poor, because the simple truth is most humans are just fine being slaves.

>>114572
>The existence of The Zone allows for a nonpolitical story
Except the story progresses toward a state where the Zone has a net negative on the world as people are more focussed on getting rich by exploting and selling artifacts regardless of the consequences. Such as how the children of the stalkers effectively become mutated inhuman animalistic freaks and the dead are rising from the grave without explanation. And how it's pretty heavily implied that the Zones could be some plot by an alien entity to destroy humanity by getting us to either kill ourselves searching for artifacts or being replaced on a genetic level (Not that much different from Invasion Of The Body Snatchers).

And I haven't read The Doomed City so I'm not going to comment on that.

>>114574
>exploiting and selling
I guess you could say that, but I think it's a smokescreen for the real story, judging by this sort of nonsense:
>The letter further states that the remaining demands of the editors (concerning violence and so on) are actually an ideological mistake, as they result in glossing over capitalist reality.
I guess I don't really think capitalism is a system or ideology to begin with so it's like trying to install bullshit.exe to figure out if the author is also just running bullshit.exe.
I think the part where someone suggests to the zone manager that the aliens didn't have any plan for humanity and they just came to earth and felt absolutely nothing so they left is the most compelling so that's my headcannon -I imagine the authors imaging the editors
>It didn’t even cross our minds that the issue had nothing to do with ideology. They, those quintessential “bloody fools,” actually did think this way: ...that the reader must in general be protected from reality—let him live by daydreams, reveries, and beautiful incorporeal ideas. The heroes of a novel shouldn’t “walk,” they should “advance”; not talk but “utter”; on no account “yell” but only “exclaim.”
reading that part and becoming unfathomably angry the same way the manager did.

>*ism1 good, *ism2 bad
>noo!!! *ism1 bad, *ism2 good!!
What the fuck is an *ism? I don't get it. Am I too autistic or brain damaged to understand ideologies? What's wrong with having a bunch of eclectic opinions about specific policies that you have deliberated on yourself that can't be pigeonholed into a pre-made ideology? For example, being against identity politics and DEI; against illegal and unmeritocratic legal immigration; for strong protection of the Bill of Rights and inviolability of private property and privacy, except for a wealth tax such that all wealth is capped below 1 billion USD, or even better, below say 20,000 yearly median wages; for repealing corporate personhood and banning all private donations to politicians and their election campaigns and instead establishing a common neutral public pool for those who need support during campaigning; banning abortion after the first trimester except for serious medical problems; banning all central banks for all eternity and basing the currency on gold; establishing UBI at the minimum wage level once layoffs from AI become widespread and raising it the more AI takes over; cutting the military budget somewhat and redirecting most of it to a 100% reliable nuclear triad and an undefeatable navy and air force that won't be used offensively outside of the western hemisphere
Is this an *ism? Which one?

>>114576
>What's wrong with having a bunch of eclectic opinions about specific policies that you have deliberated on yourself
NO, bad peasant! That's not how democracy works. Democracy means voting for billionaire puppet A or B then coping for 4-8 more years as you don't get anything that benefits you or your family, again.
>Is this an *ism?
Thinking for yourself is extremism, idealism, and terrorism.

>>114576
Honestly I'm not sure it'd work but I'd vote for that if I could.
I think the ability to vote at any time for as many parties as you want, just once each, and to retract your vote at any time would solve a lot of problems. Maybe have to renew your vote once every 4 years. There'd be less political mindrot surrounding election cycles as it just goes on in the background, and politicians would have to deal with suddenly not being in power anymore if they bitch out or betray their voters. No reason such a system can't work in today's world, I think Lewis Carrol is the one who came up with the idea.

>>114576
What you're describing is essentially Keynesianism or social democracy: a set of policies to manage capitalism to the benefit of workers.  Social democracy is nice while it lasts, but from a political economy perspective it has only ever remained sustainable when there is a threat of communism tearing down the entire system nearby to frighten the capitalists into conceding to the compromise.  When that threat is gone, the capitalists simply use their resources to take over government and dismantle social democracy.

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>>114576
>What's wrong with having a bunch of eclectic opinions about specific policies that you have deliberated on yourself that can't be pigeonholed into a pre-made ideology?
Because no such thing exists, and half the planet has had the same exact/belief thought at one point in time or another.
>Is this an *ism? Which one?
Distributism and Christian Nationalism are the current names for exactly what you're talking about.

>>114579
>I think the ability to vote at any time for as many parties as you want, just once each, and to retract your vote at any time would solve a lot of problems
Rank based voting, yeah, some already states have that and it's a disaster. 
<No, you don't get it, my idea is totally different.
Nobody fucking cares.
It's been tried, and it never works out. Thus far the "least bad" government has been the one where the government fucks off and only exists as a formality, leaving the rest of us alone so that we can live our fucking lives.
<But what about the corrupt people in power
There's nothing we can do to stop that. It always going to happen. Might as well be in favor of the system where the corruption has the lowest chance of coming around and screwing up my life.

>>114580
>social democracy
Also known as SOCIALISM. Remember, Stalin wasn't a Marxist like Lenin or Trotsky, he was a Social Democrat. As I keep saying, NONE of this shit is new.

>>114581
Have you read any E.F. Schumacher, out of curiosity?

>>114582
No, and haver zero interest too after a brief visit through his Kikepedia article.

>>114584
Shame. I'm going through his Small is Beautiful at the moment, and it's a pretty good read. It starts off with him criticising many of his fellow economists for failing to properly distinguish between assets and capital in practice, and from there he goes a lot into misapplications of certain economic ideas and common oversights. Much of this ties into how many government and international aid programs fail to actually do any real good for the poor when they doesn't outright make their lives worse, and he ends up advocating a lot for intermediate technologies which don't require vast amounts of resources, infrastructure, and training to work well at the local scale.
A lot of this is more immediately relevant to ruralites and villagers than it is cityfags (although there too I'd say its has its points of relevance), so I get if it isn't really your thing. I'm just in a backwater area and pretty keenly aware of just how fragile a lot of our infrastructure and technology is, so a lot of what he's talking about is relevant to the situation around me.

>>114576
Your wealth tax idea is basically what Huey Long outlined in the Share Our Wealth program. Shame he got assassinated, it would have been interesting to see how his program would have worked if he got elected.

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>>114585
>his fellow economists for failing to properly distinguish between assets and capital in practice
Because all assets are capital but not all capital are assets. Robert Kiyosaki explains that in plain detail.
>Much of this ties into how many government and international aid programs fail to actually do any real good for the poor when they doesn't outright make their lives worse
That's because people naively believe that reason third world countries are the way they are is because the people living don't have access to the same "benefits" the rest of the world has. So they ship in everything from medical supplies to food to luxuries, and manage to completely destroy the local economy. The only way to improve third world nations is having the people actually living there desiring and working towards actually building up their own country. However no one ever wants to do that because it's a multi-generational project and they want to see results right fucking NOW.
>I'm just in a backwater area and pretty keenly aware of just how fragile a lot of our infrastructure and technology is, so a lot of what he's talking about is relevant to the situation around me.
Dude, you're still thinking with a 19th century mindset. You want to know what has been the biggest "killer" of the rural America: the fucking interstate. It is one of the few ideas that Nazi Germany actually got right. The Reichsautobahn improved national infrastructure with allowing to simple clean pathways for resources and people to travel from point A to B, that was then imported to America and approved by Eisenhower in the 50's. And when the interstate system was finally complete in 90's, it connected every single state to on another. However this plan came at a cost. As while it did improve the nation's infrastructure, it destroyed innumerable towns who's entire lifestyle and economy depended on the era before the interstate. If you've seen Cars, that was a significant plot point of the movie. So this leaves us with a question, which is more important, bettering a nation's inafrastructure or keeping people "safe and secure" in their lifestyle? People who advocate for Capitalism and Free Markets go for the former because improving infrastructure solves a problem people have. And the destruction of the town's economies is seen as an "Acceptable loss". Hate to put it that way, but that is the reality.

And if you think that's "cruel" and "unjust", consider how Edison finding a way to mass produce incandescent bulbs wiped out the entire industry for candlestick makers. How Ford mass producing automobiles wrecked the economy for stables. How the advent of RUNNING WATER destroyed the occupation of the gong farmer and scavengers. So again, which is more important, creating an economy and lifestyle that ensure people have a safe secure job and future, or creating an economy that allows a nation and it's people to improve and grow?

And going back to the discussion of the interstate, the sad reality with a lot of these towns is that they DIDN'T have to die. They only did because they became too complacent about their position and lifestyle in the world. They did little to nothing to improve, nor ever considered having a backup/alterante source of revenue to maintain themselves. So once that source of revenue was wiped out, there also went the towns.

>>114588
Wealth taxes will never work because it discourges people from wanting to work productively. What's the point in becoming the best, brightest, and most profitable in your industry when the government is going to penalize you for being successful?

>>114589
In addition to why wealth taxes are shit.
A lot of wealth is theoretical. It's represented by partial ownership of a company, how much a piece of paper is entitled to regular payments, a contract that is entitled to a production of commodities, a piece of land that sits in place and a certain amount of rent expected or can be developed into being worth more and so much more.
California is already seeing flight with a proposed wealth tax. There are stories of young entrepreneurs who were successful have to leave their home countries, as the wealth tax required selling shares of their small company, where they would ultimately lose control. 
But I also feel that the "temporary" use of personal taxes needs to be repealed. It's been over a decade since WWI.

>>114585
>>114589
Fugg, I had a brain fart and said assets instead of income. Sorry for the confusion.

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>>114590
>There are stories of young entrepreneurs who were successful have to leave their home countries, as the wealth tax required selling shares of their small company, where they would ultimately lose control. 
That is IF they can leave. You have countries like Norway where there is also an exit tax: https://odysee.com/@MidnightsEdge:d/elon-musk-calls-out-norway-for:b
>But I also feel that the "temporary" use of personal taxes needs to be repealed. It's been over a decade since WWI.
While I can agree that the tax system needs to be reformed, I'm strangely not opposed to the income tax. Going through the list, here's what can stay: https://www.debt.org/tax/type/
>Income tax, capital gains, property tax, sales tax, tariff
And here's what should go:
<Payroll tax, Estate/Inheritance tax, self-employment tax, real estate tax, TPP tax, wealth tax, excise tax, user fees, sin taxes, luxury tax, resort tax, value added tax

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>>114594
Works for me.

>>114595
weird, keep getting cloudflare error code 523 and have been for a couple weeks now

>>114598
I've been having the same problem. In the past refreshing the page would fix it, but now the error just persists.

>>114599
yeah same, went from intermittent to permanent

>> 114581
I hope this is bait.

>>114590
>Wealth taxes will never work because it discourges people from wanting to work productively. What's the point in becoming the best, brightest, and most profitable in your industry when the government is going to penalize you for being successful?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_tax
>The Global Revenue Statistics Database presents a roster of countries that have documented instances of revenue collected from wealth taxes (the data is limited to 1965-2021). A total of eight countries (Austria, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, and Switzerland) were known to have collected revenue through a wealth tax in 1965. In the ensuing decades, the number of countries reporting wealth tax revenue increased gradually and reached its peak in 1995, with 12 countries (Austria, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland) reporting revenue generated from this form of taxation. As of 2021, five out of 36 OECD countries implement a wealth tax on individuals. The five countries are Colombia, France, Norway, Spain, and Switzerland.[4]

You are correct, all of those have a notoriously low GDP per capita because wealth taxes WILL NEVER WORK. As we all know, the most prolific innovators and entrepreneurs were driven by a realistic hope of someday becoming billionaires through their hard work. Take that hope away and the entire system crumbles, like in Switzerland and Norway. Non-monetary desires like becoming famous or self-actualization or wanting to contribute to your community or humanity or discovering new knowledge were and will never be primary motivators for any high-achieving people. Also,
>what is the law of diminishing marginal utility
That doesn't apply as far as wealth taxes are concerned, goy. Rich ((( people ))) with a pathological craving for money must be protected at all costs. Without them, humanity would regress back to the stone age.

>>114593
This but the opposite. Income tax should be abolished because it disincentivizes working for most of the population. Wealth taxes should be expanded along with Pigouvian taxes on alcohol, tobacco and sugar because they disincentivize negative externalities of capitalism like greedy genocidal billionaires and profiting off of public health hazards like alcoholism.

Honestly I can't even fathom why anybody with a net worth below $10 million would ever vote against abolishing billionaires. Is it just delusion that they are temporarily embarassed billionaires? Is it just masochism? Do some people get off on being loyal slaves to demons who openly lobby for converting the working class to biodiesel and installing themselves as kings of the ashes?

>>114580
Are you saying that the reason why the working class started losing power in Western countries was because the collapse of the Soviet Union emboldened the ruling class? Don't most of the relevant economic indicators like real wages, median house price to median yearly income, and labor share of GDP start to stagnate or decline around 1971 when the gold standard was abolished?

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>>114601
>You are correct, all of those have a notoriously low GDP per capita because wealth taxes WILL NEVER WORK
Hey jackass, if you stopped acting like a smart aleck for two seconds and actually listened to people FROM those countries, you'd realize just how shit of an idea this all is: https://odysee.com/@johnstossel:7/the-full-johan-norberg-sweden%E2%80%99s:0
>Take that hope away and the entire system crumbles, like in Switzerland and Norway
That's exactly what is happening in Norway. Did you NOT watch the previous video I linked that explains how Norway has seen a flight of entrepenuers because of their tax system (That resulted in these people paying OVER 100% of their income in taxes), the government's official response is to make fun of those people because they're not the "hard working average person", and then proceed to bitch about how the country doesn't have enough "bright young entrepenuers": https://odysee.com/@MidnightsEdge:d/elon-musk-calls-out-norway-for:b
>Non-monetary desires like becoming famous or self-actualization or wanting to contribute to your community or humanity or discovering new knowledge were and will never be primary motivators for any high-achieving people
None of that can be achieved without you having money or capital in the first place.
>Wealth taxes should be expanded
For what purpose?!
All you're doing is just punishing people for daring to make money. And showing that you're an envious individual who wants to hurt people because they just happen to have a few extera dollars than you do. It's the liquidation of the Kulaks and the Land Reform Campaign all over again, where people were slaughtered because they just happened to have an extra pot or an extra cow. But all you can do is comeback with the sarcastic statement:
<As we all know, the most prolific innovators and entrepreneurs were driven by a realistic hope of someday becoming billionaires through their hard work.
Yes, I would like to become wealthy someday. May not get to the level of being a billionaire, but being a multi-millionaire is fine with me too because it gaves me far more expansive options in what I can do in my life than I am capable of doing right now. One of which includes, guess what, giving back to the community. The day-job that I have increasingly requires me to go to the remotest parts of my state, and it always pains me to drive through the once bustling towns and see all that's left is crumbling buildings and a populace waiting to die. And something I would like to do eventually is help rebuild these places and possibly make them prosperous again. But that cannot happen unless you have money. And I do not want someone else taking that money on my behalf because those people do not have vision of what could be. They'll just screw it up. Or make the problem even worse as they haven't actually had go to those places and talk to the people living there.

>>114602
>Don't most of the relevant economic indicators like real wages, median house price to median yearly income, and labor share of GDP start to stagnate or decline around 1971 when the gold standard was abolished?
That is one of the reasons, but there was also the massive exampansion of the welafare state, the opening trade with West Taiwan and beginning the process of exporting production on the justification of "Not in my backyard", the start of the "Green" laws the required society to abandon everything that had allowed for us to become prosperous in the first place in the name of "saving the planet", and the education system being taken over Paulo Freire for the purposes of breeding a generation only capable of endless criticism based on the belief that the endlessly ridicule of society will somehow result in us achieving heaven on Earth after having denounced all other possibilities for them not being "perfect" enough.

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>>114604
the boomers arguing about GDP on an anime imageboard probably don't even know who this is

>>114607
No, I know of his entire history (Former admin of wizardchan until he had sex, started 8ch out of defiance, Jim bought the sight from him, then made it his personal life mission to end anything and everything related to 8ch because of some delusion of being a born again Christian, came out as a furry, and I think the last I hear about him was that HBO documentary about Qanon (The one with the uncensored futa porn in one episode)), I just don't care

>>114607
I think we all know, we just don't care. Cry about your e-celeb elsewhere.
t. non-boomer boomer

>>114605
>Did you NOT watch the previous video
No, but I believe you that it says what it says. The problem is that contentious issues like wealth allocation are never black and white so I'm skeptical of commentary that emphasizes the negatives and ignores the positives, especially from the neoliberal think tank clique with which Johan Norberg associates and which has historically promoted policies that enrich the ultra-rich at the expense of the working class. I believe when you say that some entrepreneurs have left Norway and had to pay over 100% of their income in taxes and that the government mocked them. The question I actually care about is whether Norwegians as a whole will be better off in the long term. The rich do deserve consideration as human beings, but you have to remember that the remaining 99% of people also exist and have the right to fight for their interests. If, after a wealth tax, the bottom 99% of Norwegians enjoy a better living standard than they otherwise would have and the top 1% enjoy a worse living standard, than that's overall an improvement in my opinion and proof that the wealth tax was a good idea. But I can understand why the top 1% might disagree.

>None of that can be achieved without you having money or capital in the first place.
Correct, except that you don't need to be a billionaire yourself. Many inventions were funded by governments or a collection of private individuals, including the Internet and all technology developed during the Space Race. Actually I would guess that most of the technological progress has been driven by scientists and engineers motivated by non-monetary desires and funded by either governments, universities, or multiple private investors (who may or may not have been billionaires, but if they weren't, then more investors would have stepped in). The fact that it's harder for a single billionaire to control all stages of a new technology is a feature, not a bug, of wealth taxes. It may make progress slower in cases of disagreement between stakeholders, but it also prevents psychotic individuals like Peter Thiel from metastasizing their illness onto their host societies. Also, friendly reminder that China exists, and is more technologically advanced than you might think.
>inb4 CCP shill

>All you're doing is just punishing people for daring to make money. And showing that you're an envious individual who wants to hurt people because they just happen to have a few extera dollars than you do.
>a few extera dollars
That would not be the case for like 99.999% of people. I am talking about a wealth cap at $1 billion. Maybe like a 1% wealth tax at $100 million. I think you are confusing me with communists, which I am not. Unfortunately many in the Anglosphere suffer from the long-standing British tradition of recoiling at any mention of burdening the ruling class with a duty towards their host society through which they or their ancestors generated their wealth. It reminds me of how immigrants to the West often want to pull up the ladder immediately after they get naturalized. I can see why they would, but couching it in some altruistic moralitarian bullshit is funny. 
>It's the liquidation of the Kulaks and the Land Reform Campaign all over again, where people were slaughtered because they just happened to have an extra pot or an extra cow.
If you compare taxing the wealth of billionaires like Thiel or Musk or Zuckerberg with middle class landowners being executed, I can guarantee you will piss off many people from ex-Soviet countries, especially those whose families were destroyed.

>May not get to the level of being a billionaire, but being a multi-millionaire is fine with me too
I was talking about taxing billionaires, and maybe centimillionaires. Do you have any idea how massive of a chasm there is between a mere multi-millionaire and a billionaire? Hint: 1 billion = 1000 million. There are around 800 billionaires in the US, but let's be generous and say it's 3000. So they make up less than 0.001% of the population. I think you are seriously overe

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>May not get to the level of being a billionaire, but being a multi-millionaire is fine with me too
I was talking about taxing billionaires, and maybe centimillionaires. Do you have any idea how massive of a chasm there is between a mere multi-millionaire and a billionaire? Hint: 1 billion = 1000 million. There are around 800 billionaires in the US, but let's be generous and say it's 3000. So they make up less than 0.001% of the population. I think you are seriously overestimating their contribution to society.

>it always pains me to drive through the once bustling towns and see all that's left is crumbling buildings and a populace waiting to die.
Do you know why that happened? Do you understand the irony of saying that and then linking a video of Johan Norberg who promotes the policies which caused the death of rural America?

>And something I would like to do eventually is help rebuild these places and possibly make them prosperous again. But that cannot happen unless you have money. And I do not want someone else taking that money on my behalf because those people do not have vision of what could be. They'll just screw it up. Or make the problem even worse as they haven't actually had go to those places and talk to the people living there.
That is a noble goal. Are you sure you will want the same things when you have become a multi-millionaire, or especially a billionaire? Do you think people 1000 times richer than you won't easily dismantle your entire life's work in an afternoon? Do you think you're the only one who wants a prosperous countryside? If not, why not work together with people who want the same? Would it help your cause if you weren't targeted by malactors 1000 times richer than you who caused this problem in the first place?

>That is one of the reasons, but there was also the massive exampansion of the welafare state, the opening trade with West Taiwan and beginning the process of exporting production on the justification of "Not in my backyard", the start of the "Green" laws the required society to abandon everything that had allowed for us to become prosperous in the first place in the name of "saving the planet", and the education system being taken over Paulo Freire for the purposes of breeding a generation only capable of endless criticism based on the belief that the endlessly ridicule of society will somehow result in us achieving heaven on Earth after having denounced all other possibilities for them not being "perfect" enough.
Most of those happened because a small cabal of ultra-rich people thought it was in their interests to fuck over the people of America in pursuit of their endless greed. What if they never existed in the first place? It's much harder, maybe even impossible, to hijack the government and private universities with a clique of 10 000 people than with 1000.

Wealth inequality in America in 2026 is greater than before the French Revolution. Do you think that's sustainable? That it's not a drag on economic output?

>>114604
what the fuck is wrong with you?

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>>114610
>The problem is that contentious issues like wealth allocation are never black and white
They more often than not are. Which person is more likely to start up a new company ready to hire people, the guy who's starting a business out of his basement or the guy who is relatively wealthy and can lease an office space at a loss for a couple years?
>policies that enrich the ultra-rich at the expense of the working class
Is it at their "expense"? For example, I currently own stock in Icahn Enterprises, and one of the "controversies" the company has recently been embroiled in is a lawsuit alleging that they engaging in the exploitative practice of using people's shares as leverage when pursuing business interests. Is this at my "expense"? On paper, yes, however that "expense" is worth the risk as that company is perhaps one of the best stock purchases in my portfolio as their dividends deliver an average of $2 annually for every $8 of stock that I own. And it's worth noting that the lawsuit has since been dismissed as the company already disclosed what their practices were, meaning any shareholders that did not like their stock being held up as leverage had every opportunity to sell. And it doesn't even have to be something risky like that. The convenience store you buy that bag of chips from is making a profit at your expense because you wanted those chips and were willing to part with the $2 they're asking for that bag when it only cost them $1.50 to have it shipped in.
>The question I actually care about is whether Norwegians as a whole will be better off in the long term.
Considering how it's similar to the path Sweden went down, it's not looking good. As, in case you forget, Sweden's tax system during the 70's and 80's resulted in people like Astrid Lindgren paying over 102% of their income in taxes: https://archive.ph/5wn1P
<In 1976, Lindgren learned that because of tax laws requiring her to pay both income tax and employer’s fees, she would effectively be taxed at a rate of 102 percent. Though she was generally a supporter of the principles of socialism, paying more than she actually earned appalled her. And so she published a satirical fairytale, “Pomperipossa in Monismania,” about a children’s book author forced to pay exorbitant taxes, in the Stockholm tabloid Expressen. The satire ignited a furious debate over both the tax laws and the reigning Social Democratic Party. Because of her popularity, people listened to Lindgren. Later that year, the Social Democratic party lost the election, giving up power for the first time in 44 years.
And here's something funny to consider, WHY this insistent "demand" that the rich have to pay "their fair share"? I mean, if all these wealth Socialists truly believe that not enough money is being put into the system, then why haven't these wealth Socialists like Sanders, Yang, Bezos and so on opted to give all their left over wealth to the government? You can do that, it's called "voluntary contribution". And if these guys really did believe all their bullshit, they would do that instead of buying...let me look this up, three homes across three territories with each home being at least worth half a million dollars.
>The rich do deserve consideration as human beings, but you have to remember that the remaining 99% of people also exist and have the right to fight for their interests.
And what are those interests? What if an individual from the 99% wants to work really hard and becomes a member of the 1%? Are you saying that you should trample all over his interests? Or what if the person doesn't want to be a 1%er but a 10%er? Again, does his interests suddenly not matter? And even then, what gives you the right speak on behalf of these people instead of letting them decide for themselves what their interests are?

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>>114610
>If, after a wealth tax, the bottom 99% of Norwegians enjoy a better living standard
What does that even mean?
By all metrics, the poorest of the poor in the first world still live better lifestyles than the richest of the rich in the third world. And, again, who are you to decide what constitutes a decent "living standard"? There's the endless jokes all over the internet about women being appalled that all a guy needs to have a content life is a bed, a computer, and a fridge. This is ALSO ignoring that the apartment could be that empty because some guys are too busy working or having a life to actually give a single flying fuck about home furnishings. Are you going to waltz right in and demand that we "must" all pay more taxes because you see it as sad that some guy is happy having nothing and spending all his free time making silly origami figures?
>Many inventions were funded by governments or a collection of private individuals
And many of them weren't, like the airplane. Just a few months before the Wright Brother's first flight, the American government had wasted millions of dollars on a failed program for the expressed purpose of making flight possible, only to then conclude that flight was an "impossibility". Meanwhile the Wright Brothers were just trying to settle a bet.
>Actually I would guess that most of the technological progress has been driven by scientists and engineers motivated by non-monetary desires and funded by either governments, universities, or multiple private investors
So inventions are not created for the purposes of monetary gain, except when they are?
>The fact that it's harder for a single billionaire to control all stages of a new technology
They cannot do that anyway. Despite how much M$ really wants peole to use BotNet 11, I'm still rocking Windws 7. Hell, even the government cannot control how markets progress. Just look at the concept of a phone and all the ways that has changed over the past 30 years despite all the government regulations in place. Or how the advent of Uber and Lyft destroyed the government imposed monopoly of taxi companies, which was enforced through the taxi medallion system.
>but it also prevents psychotic individuals like Peter Thiel from metastasizing their illness onto their host societies
Those kinds of people will always exist and there's not a damn thing we can do to stop that. That is why I said earlier that the best system is the one that where the corrupt have the lowest chance of screwing up my life: >>114581
>Also, friendly reminder that China exists, and is more technologically advanced than you might think.
You mean the country that just had their latest military technology fail last month in perhaps one of the funniest military operations on record?

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>>114610
>I am talking about a wealth cap at $1 billion
First, how is that determined and enforced? Does that mean I have to sell something because the value of my gold or stocks briefly spiked to a point where my net worth briefly shot past the $1 billion mark? Or what about a person who spreads out their wealth across multiple businesses and ends up surpassing that point but doesn't actually have that money in liquid cash? Second, what happens when inflation occurs and the average person then has to contend with regularly passing that point some way or another? For perspective, having a $10k income in the 1960's was seen as you being a member of the top 10%, yet today that's below the "poverty line".
In fact, this exact problem happened with Japan
Prior to 1953, Japan had two smaller denominations of money, the Sen (「銭」1/100th of a Yen) and the Rin (「厘」1/10th of a Sen). Using your idea as a metric and putting it into practice, it wouldn't have sounded that "crazy" for the Japanese government in 1890's to declare that "all individuals" had their wealth capped at 1 billion Rin, which equates to 1 million Yen. Now here is where the rubber hits the road: https://archive.ph/ItQhz
<As of 2025, the average annual household income in Japan sits around ¥5.6 million to ¥6.5 million
So, congratulations, you're going to be capping middle class people in the amount of money they can make.
<This isn't even getting into stuff like currency devaluation, which you can see with the picture I have attached of different types of Japanese coins I own, and how some denominations like the 10 Sen going from being 80% silver to 72% before becoming to 100% aluminum.
In fact, that also highlights another problem, in that you're attacking people who managed to intelligently manage their investments.
>I think you are confusing me with communists, which I am not.
You're still of the Socialist mindset. Maybe not of the hardlined Communist variety like Marx and Lenin, but still the same animal.
>If you compare taxing the wealth of billionaires like Thiel or Musk or Zuckerberg with middle class landowners being executed
Those people were no longer "middle class" as the Socialists had already plundered the wealth of the bourgeois. That's another thing about Socialist policies, it's a sliding scale that always expands the definition to eventually include everyone.
>I can guarantee you will piss off many people from ex-Soviet countries, especially those whose families were destroyed
You mean the same people who are whining daily about all these tax policies, and welfare policies, and every single program you're proposing that countries are in the process of implementing because they've seen it all before?

>>114611
>I was talking about taxing billionaires, and maybe centimillionaires
And then it will be the multi-millionaires, then the regular millionaires, then the centithousandaires, then the multi-thousandaires, then the...oh, would you look at that, you started also going after the middle and lower class.
>Do you have any idea how massive of a chasm there is between a mere multi-millionaire and a billionaire?
You're acting like that matters. Why should I care that someone has more money? Even in a hypothetical future where I am wealthy at what I consider to be a decent level, why does it matter that someone has more money than I do?
>So they make up less than 0.001% of the population. I think you are seriously overestimating their contribution to society.
Did you know that to be in the top 10% of society, you only have to make over $100k a year? And that 10% of people pay anywhere from 70%-90% of a country's taxes? Yet, you still believe that they don't pay enough?

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>>114611
>Do you know why that happened?
Yeah, I explained that up here: >>114589
Which also brings forward another question that I don't think you've bothered to ask, who's living standard is more important? The town of a couple thousand people who's life would be destroyed by the creation of an interstate freeway or the city of a hundred thousand people who the interstate directly benefits as it allows for commerce to increase?
>Are you sure you will want the same things when you have become a multi-millionaire, or especially a billionaire?
It also depends on if the people would be in favor of it. There's been endless stories of wealthy individuals trying to revitalize towns and neighborhoods, sometimes even at a net loss, only for the people living in those territories to them to "Fuck off" because they see everyone with money as being "evil" for some reason. Also another person could have the same exact idea, build their wealth more quickly than I do, and do it before I get the chance to. Which in some ways is still to my benefit as I can then take that money and invest it in other places that could use it.
>Do you think people 1000 times richer than you won't easily dismantle your entire life's work in an afternoon?
I would be more worried about the government doing that, and siccing their special interest groups on the project, because "How dare" someone come along and desire to improve an area. Those are constituants looking for government handouts?
>Do you think you're the only one who wants a prosperous countryside? If not, why not work together with people who want the same?
Because, at the moment, none of us have the money to do anything and the money we do have coming in is limited in what can be done about it. And even if we were to pool our money together, it still wouldn’t be enough to actually make a lasting impact.
>Would it help your cause if you weren't targeted by malactors 1000 times richer than you who caused this problem in the first place?
I don't see that happening considering that a couple of the towns I have in mind only continue to exist because of the local mines. And I don't see a company being opposed to someone improving an area where they operate since it would also lower their operation costs if there's a thriving economy right next door rather than having to have everything shipped, on their own dime, across two-lane backwoods mountain roads because of the site being that remote.

Also, what's this obsession with "rich people looking to dismantle my work" in your arguments? All rich people seek to do is make money, and how can money be made unless people have money to spend? It's simple logistics. Are you going to pursue the business of person who has $10 in spare change or $100?
>Most of those happened because a small cabal of ultra-rich people thought it was in their interests to fuck over the people of America in pursuit of their endless greed
No, it's because of people like you, who think you know better than everyone else on how society is suppose to operate. And then constantly bitch and moan that people don't see the same evils you do. It's no different than how you had people like Herbert Marcuse who looked upon Capitalist society, saw how people were free to do whatever they want, and considered it to be an outright "travesty" that people would rather spend time relaxing on the beach rather than groveling in dark basements discussing philosophy and how to best go about remaking the Earth.

Again, your entire ideology is just one big justification for why you're allowed to be constantly angry and envious all the time. You cannot accept that life is sometimes shit and you have to learn to live with it. You "reason" has to be that someone purposely did something (Specifically) to you and you want “revenge”, no matter how stupid or bullshit the reason or logic sounds.

>>114604
8chan death was 7 years ago, longer than the website even existed
newfags probably don't even know who that is