/film/ - FILM

Most TV was completely disposable until recently - try watching a random episode of something produced in the sixties. Unbearable.
Even so, the emergence of television pulled audience away from theaters. The film industry responded by enhancing the moviegoing experience with new innovations like Cinerama, 3D and most importantly Cinemascope.
I could list some favorite TV content (and there are plenty of noteworthy miniseries and TV movies) but I was trying to think of people who developed a signature style working exclusively with television. There's Adam Curtis, Frederick Wiseman, but who else? These guys didn't just make downmarket versions of proper films, they took the TV format in a fresh direction. I suppose Ken Burns fits too, but he's a step below the other two.

>>3533
>try watching a random episode of something produced in the sixties. Unbearable.
I don't think all tv shows from that time period were necessarily like that. We still got some unique or influential stuff like the Prisoner and the original Star Trek. There was also this whole subgenre of sci-fi/mystery anthologies like Twilight Zone and the Outer Limits or Into the Unknown in the UK.

>(and there are plenty of noteworthy miniseries and TV movies)
Like what?

>>3534
>Into the Unknown
Out of the Unknown

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>>3529 (OP) 
I am fucking slow, was gonna make this thread 2 years ago

>The Prisoner
Vast majority of the hype back in the day and references are from the famous series Secret Agent Man, aka Danger Man, which starred the same protag doing what the title would suggest, despite using a lot of James Bond material as a reference the irony is that the 007 film series ripped tons of ideas from SAM.

Now, as far as i remember the trivia story is one day the actor didn't want to renew because his demands were not met and was seemingly unceremoniously laid off/forced to resign, so later some previous writers and he did a seemingly unrelated series called The Prisoner based on previous ideas and which ended up starring the man as a former secret agent, having the same code number which replaced his name, reflecting about the very similar experiences and being played around by the organization either previous employer or the enemy's, or were they the same? in a Fantasy Island setting turned crazy which interestingly enough is supposedly very similar to a place he raided in the series

As you might expect this was a fucking phenomenon and a quite explicit showdown against his former character/series, doesn't help it was released at the h

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>>3533
>Most TV was completely disposable until recently
>Unbearable.
Completely disagree but it is true that back in the day series were chuck filled with filler, which breaks a lot of narrative continuity. Although we can argue that's the entire reason for TV shows.
But like anon said we got the original Twilight Zone which is mostly very good.

One idea i had was separating the main plot from the filler in some series, The X-Files is famous for the fanbase doing that, with the so-called Mythology being 62 episodes compared to the 200 something the entire thing has.
For example The Fugitive is usually spouted as one of the most memorable series from back in the day but it's 120 episodes and all of them i saw on syndicated TV were filler, so that doesn't spell good news. 

My plan was to separate the main arc episodes from the "side quests" in series i was planning to see but ended up just watching other stuff not quite related to normal TV anime so i didn't do it, just watched a season of Renegade which was nostalgic as hell but certainly not very good and didn't really advance the plot from the pilot; a very decent time capsule of the 90's i admit, that's the only honor i would give it. 
Another idea i had was selecting what i would thi

We take ownership of every /film/ reference right

>>3527
Sure seems so to me here, Anon.

I see you downloaded all the charts from the mega I posted on 4chan. I appreciate that you like the charts, but 99% of these have nothing to do with this board

Thanks to whichever one of you collected all of these. A few of my creations are in the mix but I haven't made any for a while. I had ideas for more but I'm going to have to review the collection to see what's already been done.

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One of the primary inspirations for Raiders of the Lost Ark was Otto Rahn, a folklorist author turned SS officer who believed he could find the Holy Grail

https://web.archive.org/web/20110516164742/http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/5407/raiders_of_the_lost_grail.html

Richard Stanley made a documentary on Otto Rahn entitled The Secret Glory

https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=r0YOeuxMOww
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>>2273
TL;DR on this?

>>1918 (OP) 
>wholesome



Agreed, it's very wholesome and soulful, poggers!

>>2278
Literature should be mandatory for film buffs.

Otto Rhan was fascinated with 'Holy Grail' lore (it's just a cup a carpenter would use!  Probably ceramic and broken by now!).  He wrote about and spent all his money searching for it.  In the 1930's Himmler gave him a paid job to look for it - he accepted, but suicided years later after failing to find it and the SS were closing in on his secrets:  he was a poofter Jew... in the SS!

>>3261
>The chat amounts to everyone in the audience constantly texting during the movie.

Yeah. I hate those twitch-type zoomer streams too. The kind i meant is where there's only a .m3u file and you gotta open it with VLC/mpv. No chat, no bloated js.

In the chan-ring, i only know of 7ch having a (video) stream of this sort. lain has audio-only music streams.

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What does it take to make one? My connection isn't good enough to do much uploading.

>>3263
Good comprehensive guide on setting up a live streaming server:
https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-a-video-streaming-server-using-nginx-rtmp-on-ubuntu-20-04

With ffmpeg, you can hardcode subtitles using a parameter so that the stream has subs.

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I would really recommend 'Two Headed Spy', a film about Major Scotland, a British spy planted in the German army after WWI, who rose to become Lieutenant General of Logistics under Hitler.  Despite what's in the movie, he had a radio, not a contact, according to the book, and made sure the Germans:

- didn't have invasion barges after Dunkirk;
- didn't have winter furs for the Russia campaign;
- didn't have enough fuel for the Battle of the Bulge, and;
- told the allies where the German supply dumps were after the Normandy landings, so they bombed them.  Without supplies the Germans couldn't hold the line.
That well placed spy achieved so much.

It used to be available here:  

https://archive.org/details/moviesandfilms?noscript=true

But archive.org is down.  If you can find it I recommend the book.

>>3390
>That well placed spy achieved so much.
Changed the world although one of those changes we don't know if it was for the good or for the worse

>>1773
I'm going to say that there isn't despite hating them because it is sure to upset you.

>>1710 (OP) 
It seems you have problems with moralization? At least partially. 

I think part of this is, the "will of power" of artists to change reality according to their beliefs and values. Even popular film reviewers seem to want to make films "more moral". As in; "I want to create a society that is more beneficial to what I perceive my best interests to be."
See:
Why Modern Movies Suck - They Teach Us Awful Lessons
The Critical Drinker 
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Dnuqp4_K7ik
10:49 

Another rather similar thought is; what I think is, the honest belief amongst people that others thinking for themselves is dangerous to them or what they value in some way, and must be destroyed. 

Also: https://encyclopediadramatica.online/Moralfag

>>2399
*will to power

>>2399
>films "more moral". As in; "I want to create a society that is more beneficial to what I perceive my best interests to be."
Ironically that's the artist's personal reflection on his work, many like to put their values into their work, others prefer to showcase things as is ("realism") but problem is how to do such things. 
It's the case of doctrines around the "show don't tell" and "character/context consistency" a director and the writer have to do, in modern mainstream films for cattle these aspects are done poorly with many "lessons" being done telling but not showing but when they do show it the context the film was building itself around bends or stop existing to cater to said consequential actions that don't seem like consequences but inventions made out of thin air and annexed.

Capeshit, to use a popular example, is chuck filled with this kind of antics but the nigger cattle ignores it for the sake of the romanticized ending, an example would be Spiderman 2, considered a classic in the genre but with a frankly horrible ending not even kids with consciousness could eat back in the day. The other popular examples of this do the other way, they "subvert" or create an anti-thesis of said effect but end up being as horrible because they do not build anything to create the necessary context to show it, they merely do the same but in the ending they

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Going at this three years later since I can feel what OP was going for.
>>1710 (OP) 
You are facing a huge problem. Movies are a cultural medium and very often used in a controlling way to wedge an overall message. They easily tend to be preachy. It has only gotten worse while there was much less of that when the world was more free and the cinema still ventured in odd directions.
Watching movies of characters and their slice of life, doing their thing throughout the movie and sticking to what they are, good or wrong, without even looking like the screenwriter and director cared at all about how people would react to their movies, that's the way to go. So you have to look at independent movies from non-American markets. American movies LOVE having a moral message, they're always lecturing the audience like little kids. The crime and noir genres are obviously going to allow characters be on the rim of a society and just live their lives without caring much about judgemental opinions of the rest of society and thus in a meta way, of how the movie would be perceived by the real world people.  It also has two other advantages, that of being exotic because most people don't live in the crime world, and being realistic too because it involves real people, not monsters or ethereal phenomena or even futuristic themes. Horror movies could also be like that sometimes because they often focused on stupid exc

Is there anything like nobodytm or randy prozac now? Absurdist videos that are critical of modernity rather than worshiping it? I really liked some of nobody's work in particular.
Burden didn't do it for me.

>>755
good share. straight from the ether

Well, if i may meddle, for me the films that made me think and change permanently were Miike's Ichi the Killer and KWWong's Ashes of Time.
Not because of their plot, ideas or content but because they bend and invent their own rules in terms of cinematography and visuals. In this case it's more of a meta thing that made me thunk.
Miike is a mixture of knowledge in unorthodox photography and wing-it on-the-fly attitude in solutions to his busy filming schedule, while Wong uses many sequences based on old ideas and even ripped off at times (moving backgrounds, dynamic lighting, spinning cage from Macario) but teaming up with a sophisticated character like Mark Lee or a maverick savant like Christopher Doyle really potentiated said ideas into overdrive. 
Ichi was my first exposure to this kind of camera work while Ashes was a heavily-condensed single dose of it.

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>>795
Mine was TRAIN TO BUSAN.

>>755
Pandorum, especially the ending

the bit about the stars having died off hit me because I struggle with keeping track of time and I hate being taken off guard, so when I imagined sleeping untill the universe went cold and dark felt a bit lonely

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>>3382
>he's part spanish i think 
Might as well count half latin america in that case. He's a pretty decent actor but his roles are very usually immersed in stories which are retarded given the known context, particularly Sicario which is dumb as rocks, a canadian director trying to tell a story about seasoned american operatives vs. paramilitary cartel members roaming a compact city unknown to the former party in which everything unfolds nothing like logic and history would suppose.
Traffic is also retarded, Del Toro is usually one of the high points in the stuff he appears tho, no doubt about it.

>>3382
>anyone who disagrees with my retardation must be a kike

>>3384
>my retardation
lmao
nobody considers kikes to be white wake up from your foreskin blood inebriation moshe

>>3387
Clear case of the pot calling the kettle a nigger considering kikes have elevated rates of mental illness.

This thread is a firm example of how /pol/ ruins everything it touches.

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The only part of Days of Eclipse that worked for me was the transcendental final 15 minutes or so. Other that it was a frustrating film, the most tedious Strugatsky adaptation, yet it seems to be a well-regarded effort from Sokurov with a fair amount of glowing reviews.
I'm open to other Sokurov recs. I've seen Russian Ark obviously but nothing else.

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Watched this recently. Good Russian war movie with a very small bit of the supernatural mixed in.

>>3312
I love this one

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This crazy monologue when your girl denies you sex.
Man, I love Russian movies.

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 THE FALL OF OTRAR new restoration premieres Oct 12 at NYFF

>Ardak Amirkulov’s staggering historical epic (co-written by Aleksei German) concerns the intrigues and turmoil preceding Genghis Khan’s systematic destruction of the lost East Asian civilization of Otrar. The movie that spurred the extraordinary wave of great Kazakh films in the 1990s, The Fall of Otrar is hallucinatory, visually resplendent, and ferociously energetic, packed with eye-catching (and gouging) detail and traversing an endless variety of parched, epic landscapes and ornate palaces. But this is also one of the most astute historical films ever made, its high quotient of gore grounded in the bedrock realities of realpolitik: when the Kharkhan of Otrar is finally brought before the Ruler of the World, he could be facing Stalin or, for that matter, any number of latter-day CEOs. A movie that has everything, from state-of-the-art 13th-century warfare to perfumed sex, The Fall of Otrar is truly a one-of-a-kind experience.

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>>3309

>>3297
I don't think so (but I'm not on there much myself)

>>3309
>>3310
2023 r5 c3 is Lubo (Giorgio Diritti)

>>3331
thank you.

>>3309
2018 C1 R5 is 13 Summers Underwater (Wiktoria Szymańska)
https://pelnasala.pl/nh-2017/
https://imdb.com/title/tt5824684/

>>3343
I'm also here but I stopped watching films a few years ago so I have nothing to post

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>I'm not film-educated enough to write a long review of any film
A couple who used the board 10 years ago weren't either, as long as you are sincere i don't think anyone will bat an eye, anything that expands our view is good.

I am starting to get an idea to device a small post format so anyone can very quickly report back anything they've seen/read related to us, like a data sheet/bok report form, but kinda makes things a bit more mechanized/dumbed down which is against the whole idea... still i think it can also wake a bit more curiosity from some of us as long as we don't replace or force our actual long-winded ideas within that.

>>3346
I think it could be a good idea, having a sort of form for interesting points to note from a film. Of course people can always elaborate more in the post if they want. If a film is not interesting enough they could just talk without filling the "form".

>>3346
>A couple who used the board 10 years ago weren't either
Care to share? You piqued my curiosity. 

What movie is that screenshot from?

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>>3348
>If a film is not interesting enough they could just talk without filling the "form".
I mean if someone doesn't want to talk extensively about something they didn't like that much or don't have the time they can just fill a quick form about the thing they saw, on the contrary if they liked it i suppose they can always elaborate more as you mentioned.
The form is like those small card synopsis one saw in libraries to very quickly check the inventory without having to see book by book.
Am i old enough to say i visited libraries with old school systems? it wasn't that long ago i swear

>>3349
>Care to share?
I suppose it can be seen in some threads from one of the /film/ shelters that migrated old stuff, i think we still have one of those around. Checking a bit there's the first "comment on last film seen" thread post-4cham located in the mummy of the old site, may allah forgive me for daring to utter this name, 8kun. 
Saying they weren't educated enough is being unfair, anons probably are better back then than me today, their brevity and straight to the point emphasis is notable hence my intention to say you don't need long-winded texts if you don't want to do them, discovering new things and feedback is the intention.

>What movie is that screenshot from?
Just a silly idiosyncratic music video, 1984's Hyperactive by Thomas Dolby and Daniel Kleinman aka CGI director for James Bond intros.
Started seeing/listening again to Dolby recently because he's being blacklisted for wrongthink again and i remembered he had some really interesting ideas behind his bitching tracks. 
I like that his cultivated image by the media of being a real nerd pop star got trashed and forgotten the day he started voicing scientists/researchers were overly dogmatic and not open-minded enough for research work to begin with. I don't know why he got so much heat, after all his most famous song shows scientists as either conmen, deranged or lobotomized by their peers.